Hellformer
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Okay sir have a good day
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Ben 10 Cosmology: High 1-B upgrade
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I agree with qawsed. This isn't really anything at all.
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So what would happend to Alien X?
Hellformer
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Would either get upscaled to High 1-B or Low 1-A depending on what gets accepted.
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But qawsed said Low 1-A is more suitable for that description.
Hellformer
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He hasn't given any explicit opinion so I'd rather wait for Firestorm who will atleast suggest something.
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I will get back to you on that.
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???
I've been explicit with both. My first comment was this
The High 1-B end has never been correct in my view. It's either nothing (which I think it is) or it's Low 1-A.
Hellformer
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I mean explicit opinion to accept either High 1-B or Low 1-A, you said its not a feat at all. Thanks for your input btw
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L1A makes more sense.
Hellformer confirmed it to be via size in his CRT due to in being unperceivable by lower beings.
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In your view, what would you like the OP to present to give the statements more substance?
Hellformer
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Keeping his POV aside, what's your own view on this?
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Unless you can prove that their home universe has spatial constructs to rely on, I don't see a method to qualify it. If they can't be defined by space and time then they're abstract rather than transcendent.
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Or they simply lack spatiotemporality as a whole and are just unperceivable due to pure size similarly to the 26D the Nalgians spoke of. As abstract/non physical beings can still possess dimensionality.
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To clarify, you are asking for examples of higher-d spaces of the "Universe."
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If the universe they come from has spatial characteristics then they would have it since they don't exist in a abstract or transcendental state to their own reality.
Otherwise you can argue that their home cosmology just lacks those characteristics, making them inapplicable for tiering.
That would mean they're abstract. If they don't occupy a physical space, they can't have dimensional volume.
Celestial_Scaler25
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There is an entire thing called Beyond Dimensional Existence that covers this topic well of having no spatiotemporality and being larger than space time as a whole. If their dimension lacks spatiotemporal coordinates and is supposed unperceivable via sheer sizes as mentioned in Hellformer's CRT then I don't fully understand the the issue here.
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As a default, statements of being "above dimensions" are set at Low 1-A, and the same is applied to statements indicating superiority over "All of space and time," and similar.
Beyond-Dimensional Existence
Beyond-Dimensional Existence is the state of existing beyond dimensions. In the majority of cases, this will be referring to characters who are timeless and spaceless. That is to say: A "beyond-dimensional" character does not take up any volume whatsoever, nor does it occupy a position in...
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I have the same opinion as Planck
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That's my thread before ultima new tiering system. It close due to change of High 1-B - 0 tiering system.
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I mean
Which is what I said. They have no dimensions, meaning they cannot be calculated. Meaning they're abstract and wouldn't be Low 1-A automatically.
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Apologies but this makes no sense. BDE characters have no dimensions or position in spacetime and yet they are tierable. They are unperceivable by lower beings just like the 26D the Nalgians mention and as explained in the CRT and surpass the limitations of space and time just like a BDE type 2 being/space due to sheer size as explained on the page. I don't see how them being abstract contradicts this.
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Please hold off on that train of thought for now. It can be addressed later.
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@Hellformer
Do you have anything to address the earlier request?
"If the universe they come from has spatial characteristics then they would have it."
Do you have anything to address the earlier request?
"If the universe they come from has spatial characteristics then they would have it."
