Batman (Post-Crisis) vs Jotaro Kujo [Rematch]

[Yobo_Blue]

Anyway, I'm sure can have a nice, long, 400 post debate, but I think it's better to agree to disagree on this one

 

[TacticalNuke002]

Yobo and Ogbuna throwing Comic Issues at each other be like:

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Jotaro FRA

 

[TacticalNuke002]

Jotaro FRA

 

[ABoogieYesSir]

Stop, The dark knight will win ehhe

 

[KLOL506]

Change my vote to Jotaro FRA

 

[Paul_Frank]

Jojo fra

 

[Schnee_One]

Batman FRA

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Batman FRA

Didn't you already vote?

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Nvm, guess not

 

[TacticalNuke002]

What are the Batman voters voting about? Star Platinum can swat away the Batarangs and Batman gets attack rushed out of nowhere if he gets close. Explosives might work, but Star Platinum is big enough for Jotaro to take cover behind and Batman doesn't start with them.

 

[KageSakaDark]

SP has amazing precision and more consistant strength feats. That combined with TacticalNuke's reasons tell me that Jotaro can take this. He has my vote.

 

[IvoryAS]

I decide to not (decide)

I go inconclusive because I am confused as to how this is playing out in my head...

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

So, if Batman starts with projectiles this happens, and if Batman comes for CQC, this happens, and what Batman starts with is inconsistent as ****... yeah, Inconclusive, as in, we can't reach a conclusive answer due to what Batman leads with being kind of random.

 

[Paul_Frank]

From what Ogbunabali posted above cqc seems more likely

 

[Mr._Common_Sense]

Batman definitely starts with CQC before getting to use his gadgets and genius intellect. His runs through Pre-Crisis to Post Crisis to New 52 to Rebirth to current DC universe. His battles start with CQC more than anything else.

 

[IvoryAS]

But... To what extant is Star Platinum's speed equalized?

 

[Paul_Frank]

Does star platinum's speed even get equalized since he's not jotaro

 

[Ogbunabali]

Yes.

 

[KageSakaDark]

So combat speed is equalized? This was always super iffy, people keep saying different things.

 

[JohnConquest1]

voting inconclusive

 

[TheArsenal1212]

Switching back to Jotaro for Tactical's reasons

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

"Seeing things that are invisible" lets you see things that are invisible. No reason stands should be any different.

Stands are invisible even to ghost themselves (Sugimoto Reimi).

 

[Yobo_Blue]

It's not a matter of their lack of visibility though, it's based on the fact they have presence, whose effects can be sensed or perceived.

 

[TheArsenal1212]

That is true. When Jotaro breaks out of his cell for example or Magician's Red raising the temperature of the prison were both noticed by non stand user police guards

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Just responding to that specific comment. Seeing "just invisible things" it's not enough to see Stands.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Anyway, I'm keeping my vote (maybe I'll go inconclusive later, as it may depend on what Batman starts with. If Batman starts with range, it's kind of cut and dry)

 

[TacticalNuke002]

It's not a matter of their lack of visibility though, it's based on the fact they have presence, whose effects can be sensed or perceived.

You can't detect if it isn't even out for you to detect.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Just responding to that specific comment. Seeing "just invisible things" it's not enough to see Stands.

I meant in the context of Batman's abilities.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

You can't detect if it isn't even out for you to detect.

Because it's not like Jotari will be using SP or anything....

 

[TacticalNuke002]

Its not like Batman opens with cqc more often, sees nothing, rushes in and gets destroyed by it appearing out of nowhere.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Its not like Batman opens with cqc more often, sees nothing, rushes in and gets destroyed by it appearing out of nowhere.

That was more or less debunked above. At worst Batman is random with what he starts with, which would make it inconclusive

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I gave a few examples of Batman starting with Batarangs that no one mentioned before hand

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Honestly, if you were to pick every fight Batman has ever been on, what he starts with would probably be around 50/50.

 

[TacticalNuke002]

You are one person. Two people agreed that Bats opens with cqc more often.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I'd disagree, but I guess we can agree to disagree on that count. Besides, if Batman were to really have no method of detecting SP this would be a stomp.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

You are one person. Two people agreed that Bats opens with cqc more often.

And they gave no reasons or examples, and didn't debunk any reasoning. You can't just ignore logic by having lots of people who say something isn't true.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Wouldn't he be able to dodge SP punches via instinctive reaction?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Wouldn't he be able to dodge SP punches via instinctive reaction?

I would say so, but most people think he can't, and that's the least important point here.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

I would give this to Jotaro had it not been for this list of skills Yobo had linked for Bats, if he could link it again it would be great

Basically, he can sense Jotaro and use whatever he needs to take him down from what I understand

Bruce should take this quite easily once he sees his enemy