BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[AKUTO123]

The realms themselves can be used colloquially to refer to different things like the word world. So it’s more like in the context of like these God tier feats it’s rather definitively talking about the universe. But when Yamamoto is going to burn down Soul Society, it’s most likely the planet, and when Hisagi talks about the society aspect calling it Soul Society it means just that.

I believe meant is universes in the movie and have some reason to think like that

 

[GDEM]

The realms themselves can be used colloquially to refer to different things like the word world. So it’s more like in the context of like these God tier feats it’s rather definitively talking about the universe. But when Yamamoto is going to burn down Soul Society, it’s most likely the planet, and when Hisagi talks about the society aspect calling it Soul Society it means just that.

I actually think that the entire plot and visuals of the film indicated that the red orbs represented universes/dimensions, and that the only objection to this was Toshiro's statement. Maybe it's a good idea to look at it again next revision.

 

[SlendVeny]

Is it Sosuke from Naruto, or Sasuke Aizen from Bleach? The world may never know.

 

[Deceived3596]

I witnessed peak fiction.

 

[AKUTO123]

I actually think that the entire plot and visuals of the film indicated that the red orbs represented universes/dimensions, and that the only objection to this was Toshiro's statement. Maybe it's a good idea to look at it again next revision.

We can see the moon when the realms are moving in the dangai .so not just earth moved. or if just would have earth moved then the sun is disappeared in both realms. we can see sun so that's not make sense. I mean if just planets have are moving sun and moon would there aren't. so whole realms more sense

 

[SlendVeny]

Bleach is about cruel dispassionate fascism ~ someone who read half of bleach through Wikipedia pages. There’s having bad takes and then there’s being blatantly ignorant

Yeah, Bleach is about cruel and extremely passionate fascism. Of course, those guys are the villains though.

Also there's the Soul Society bureaucrats but they're *******.

 

[Bastolan27]

But when Yamamoto is going to burn down Soul Society, it’s most likely the planet,

Well, since 2-C Bleach is coming, a low 2-C Yamamoto wouldn’t be too unlikely unless Yhwach went from Small Planet level at 80% to 2-C at 100%. And yeah, it was after the Auswahlen, but for me, it seems more likely that he would go from either 3-A or low 2-C pre-Auswahlen to 2-C post. That's just me, though; I won’t die on this hill.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Well, since 2-C Bleach is coming, a low 2-C Yamamoto wouldn’t be too unlikely unless Yhwach went from Small Planet level at 80% to 2-C at 100%. And yeah, it was after the Auswahlen, but for me, it seems more likely that he would go from either 3-A or low 2-C pre-Auswahlen to 2-C post. That's just me, though; I won’t die on this hill.

yamamoto wanker ^

 

[Politebunny7]

Iirc from the novels, Hell always existed and it was just a pit. The only thing the Soul King did was put a lid on it when he created the realms, which is why it wouldn't get affected that much from the destruction.

I was looking into it one of the ancestors from the noble family said the pit needs a lid, and that’s what created hell, I wonder why hell needed a lid

 

[Politebunny7]

These latest episodes gave me a lot of final fantasy and devil may cry vibes

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I witnessed peak fiction.

 

[Tyri456]

Well, since 2-C Bleach is coming, a low 2-C Yamamoto wouldn’t be too unlikely unless Yhwach went from Small Planet level at 80% to 2-C at 100%. And yeah, it was after the Auswahlen, but for me, it seems more likely that he would go from either 3-A or low 2-C pre-Auswahlen to 2-C post. That's just me, though; I won’t die on this hill.

Shutara shaking is 4A, and there is a potential gremmy feat that can add consistency as well, Bleach doesn’t go from 5B to 2C

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Not if said will transcends everything in the verse.

But yeah just joking based on stuff I’ve read in other novels. Like there was this one series or rather franchise I read where the final chapter reveals that even this one god that can casually erase universes with a wave of her hand is nothing compared to the true god who might also be the will of the world (multiverse) who transcends even her and set up a whole cycle of fate that causes this one universe to reach a bad end where everything dies no matter what happens.

So like five series worth of protagonist and all of them stopped a world ending threat in each of their series but in the 5th and final series it’s revealed that all the past protagonists have died and in the end the world they tried saving was the original world from the 1st series stuck in a never ending cycle with everything being fated to happen all over again.

Kinda bittersweet end as the ending was open ended with the protagonist of the original series being summoned once again to try and save the world and meeting with his friends and lover once again.

Name of the series?

 

[Tyri456]

Irazusando feat is butterfly Aizen level lol.
It’s the bare minimum for SK level.

 

[Politebunny7]

Shutara shaking is 4A, and there is a potential gremmy feat that can add consistency as well, Bleach doesn’t go from 5B to 2C

I don’t know about low 2c but I think you can could definitely argue Yamamoto higher depending how you interpret him destroying the soul society statement

 

[Peter1129]

Name of the series?

It’s a rather niche Chinese reincarnation fantasy web novel series that’s rather obscure with like barely any views on a web novel site behind a paywall. No translation whatsoever can be found anywhere. And tbh the series itself isn’t that good. The series honestly varies from as low as 5 to sometimes a 9 in my opinion but overall the series is a solid 7 for a series that’s half romance half story focused.

But the twist of the final novel being a loop was quite surprising. Like there were hints of it throughout the five novels that everything was looping because of time shenanigans but most didn’t piece it together until everything was revealed to be a loop in the last few chapters. Probably should’ve realized that sooner when some of the characters in the 5th novel had the same name as the dead characters from the first novel.

And the author saying how behind a happy end the continuation of a series might not be as happy as everybody thought does make you question about a story after the end and whether or not things truly ended well for them.

 

[Adam1396]

Unless you think ther was a pond of water randomly in outer space and he just created 3 planets from water, which is borderline ridicoulous at this point
Its pretty obvious everything originated by the sea fo water, this include garganat space dimension etc..

That's a fellacy.
Only 3 realms has been divided from primordial sea.

So garganta was not created from primordial sea and the entire sea might have not even used in the first place.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

I witnessed peak fiction.

Yes the **** you did

 

[AnimesFreak2]

It’s a rather niche Chinese reincarnation fantasy web novel series that’s rather obscure with like barely any views on a web novel site behind a paywall. No translation whatsoever can be found anywhere. And tbh the series itself isn’t that good. The series honestly varies from as low as 5 to sometimes a 9 in my opinion but overall the series is a solid 7 for a series that’s half romance half story focused.

But the twist of the final novel being a loop was quite surprising. Like there were hints of it throughout the five novels that everything was looping because of time shenanigans but most didn’t piece it together until everything was revealed to be a loop in the last few chapters. Probably should’ve realized that sooner when some of the characters in the 5th novel had the same name as the dead characters from the first novel.

And the author saying how behind a happy end the continuation of a series might not be as happy as everybody thought does make you question about a story after the end and whether or not things truly ended well for them.

I would still like the name bro

 

[Adam1396]

Well, since 2-C Bleach is coming, a low 2-C Yamamoto wouldn’t be too unlikely unless Yhwach went from Small Planet level at 80% to 2-C at 100%. And yeah, it was after the Auswahlen, but for me, it seems more likely that he would go from either 3-A or low 2-C pre-Auswahlen to 2-C post. That's just me, though; I won’t die on this hill.

Exactly. This doesn’t make sense to me either.
80% power of yhwach, gremmy's feat, shutara's feat everything makes 3A scaling for yamamoto much more apparent.


Another thing as I said before. If reio candidates are actually sustaining dangai, garganta, they are not just 2C. That's for SZ. Garganta is clearly the lid covering hell.
From current set up with new info, we can hope for a continuation

 

[Adam1396]

when reio opened his what were we shown through 4 pupils? Can somebody guess?

 

[Voidnether]

Yhwach can never be defeated in cross verse:

Presumption, if a character is capable of attacking, the match is not concluded.

Argument: Yhwach can send out attacks into the far future (He attacked the soul society ten years into the future just to **** with Ichigo in chapter 679). This attack will still fire even if Yhwach is dead (happened in Manga), and is entirely independent of Yhwach's state. Even if a character can defeat Yhwach utterly, he will still be capable of attacking. Thus, he cannot be rendered incapable of attacking through death, incap, bfr, whatever.

Jeez, how do we tell him?

• Acausality (Type 2; Acheron does not show up in Elio's script even though he can see an infinite amount of possible futures[15] and she has no past as The Nihility erased it.[18] When one walks on the Paths formed by Aeons, their various possibilities will eventually collapse into a single one,[19] as fate are weaved under their radiance[20])

• Fate Manipulation (12-D, possibly Ω; Acheron can sever fate itself with her blade[18])

You can see the rest of the abilities with the hax smurf mentioned in the profile, and BFR in here basically activate abilities like Void, Causality, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1) <- Still not on the page yet (for Conceptual Manipulation), and passive abilities from IX, The Nihility themselves which includes Madness Manipulation (Type 2 & 3), Empathic, Sleep, Soul, Mind & Information Manipulation (Type 2) that works with hax smurf..
All this while being Tier 3-C only, I could do a match-up but it wouldn't be fair to be honest

 

[Voidnether]

when reio opened his what were we shown through 4 pupils? Can somebody guess?

Reio's Almighty scales above Yhwach who could only see through 3 pupils at most.
Still don't know what the pupils are though, like what difference does 2 pupils, 3 pupils and 4 pupils make..

 

[Bastolan27]

Jeez, how do we tell him?


You can see the rest of the abilities with the hax smurf mentioned in the profile, and BFR in here basically activate abilities like Void, Causality, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1) <- Still not on the page yet (for Conceptual Manipulation), and passive abilities for IX, The Nihility themselves which includes Madness Manipulation (Type 2 & 3), Empathic, Sleep, Soul, Mind & Information Manipulation (Type 2) that works with hax smurf..
All this while being Tier 3-C only, I could do a match-up but it wouldn't be fair to be honest

Crazy

Edit: it was a sankt altar gif

 

[Politebunny7]

I wonder where we would scale the garganta size, the garganta encompasses everything in bleach cosmology as far as I’m aware > and the primordial sea> the 3 main universe/ dimensions separately, not to forget the other dimensions it encompasses like hell, dangai and valley of the screams

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

I wonder where we would scale the garganta size, the garganta encompasses everything in bleach cosmology as far as I’m aware > and the primordial sea> the 3 main universe/ dimensions separately, not to forget the other dimensions it encompasses like hell, dangai and valley of the screams

Personally I think it'd probably make the cosmology overall 4 universes into 2-C.

 

[Adam1396]

I wonder where we would scale the garganta size, the garganta encompasses everything in bleach cosmology as far as I’m aware > and the primordial sea> the 3 main universe/ dimensions separately, not to forget the other dimensions it encompasses like hell, dangai and valley of the screams

Is hell inside garganta? Do we have any confirmation regarding this?

What do you think. Text says it divided primordial sea. So there's a lot to speculate. Whether the sea is gone or garganta is floating on it.

Whatever garganta scales massively higher than 3 worlds.

 

[Politebunny7]

Is hell inside garganta? Do we have any confirmation regarding this?

What do you think. Text says it divided primordial sea. So there's a lot to speculate. Whether the sea is gone or garganta is floating on it.

Whatever garganta scales massively higher than 3 worlds.

When Kazui opened his hell portal it looked like it was surrounded by the garganta but I guess this this assuming it was hell and if the thing that look like garganta was garganta

 

[Peter1129]

I would still like the name bro

Alright then. But just giving you a heads up these are really niche series. And when I mean by niche I means it’s a genderswap romance story focused series. So if you’re interested in trying those series go ahead I guess. I personally just got bored of normal romance series so I decided to just read these more niche romance series for a breathe of fresh air. But it’s honestly not for everyone. There are some good ones in this specific genre but I wouldn’t exactly say this franchise is one of them.

Also they are Chinese web novels so the titles are really weird like most Japanese light novels. So I’m not gonna translate the title as they are rather cringe when translated into English.

The five novels in order are

1. 病弱魔王的我试图抱住勇者大腿
2. 转生屑猫娘后，被猎人追杀
3. 我只是小龙娘，龙骑士离我远点!
4. 转生吸血姬被以下克上很丢人吗
5. 屑王女的复仇计划出了点小问题

Totals out to around 3.55 million Chinese words. Links to the novels official release are also there. You can read a dozen or so of the chapters for free. But after that you have to pay for it. The conversion rate to buy the tickets to unlock the chapters also really aren’t worth it through the AppStore. It’s better to buy it through WeChat using the Chinese currency after allowing international purchase on your card.

But that’s only if you are interested in reading the stuff on this site. And spoilers most of the stuff on the site are trash. Though I guess that’s more so every other novel site in existence no matter what country it’s from. But from this site at least only a few niche ones are rather decent and even a few that I’d say are amazing and could very well be considered top tier even among the more popular Japanese light novels if they were more well known.

 

[Npc170]

Hey, in Thousand Blood Wars, part 3 Episode 2, a slide says something about the three worlds. Do we have that translated?

 

[Adam1396]

Did any of ya notice, when reio opened his eyes vision of current reality is separated from vision of alternative realities?

 

[Excellence616]

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Hey, in Thousand Blood Wars, part 3 Episode 2, a slide says something about the three worlds. Do we have that translated?

GPT TL:
Here is an improved translation of the text from the image:

三界
Sankai (The Three Realms)

"原初の海から分かたれた白刃、魂魄の三つの世界―魂魄の流れを司る輪廻を中心に、世界の裁きをなす存在によって、霊子の世界・魂子の世界・骸の世界の三世界が分離され、生と死が隔たれた。"

Translation:
"The blade that was separated from the primordial sea gave rise to three realms—the cycle of reincarnation, which governs the flow of souls, lies at the center. By the decree of the beings who pass judgment on these realms, the three worlds were split: the world of spirit particles, the world of souls, and the world of corpses. Thus, the boundary between life and death was established."

The English section reads:

TRIPLET WORLD
#28
Episode 28: "Kill the King"

This more polished version captures the deeper idea of division between life and death as described in the manga's lore.

 

[AppleLord]

If the sea is the primordial world, the hurricane spirals are the worlds that were split into life and death, wouldn’t that mean that the primordial space or whatever is beyond the universes still exist and Soul King candidates would be able to create more spiral universes next to those in the future?

 

[Adam1396]

If the sea is the primordial world, the hurricane spirals are the worlds that were split into life and death, wouldn’t that mean that the primordial space or whatever is beyond the universes still exist and Soul King candidates would be able to create more spiral universes next to those in the future?

That's what I've been thinking.
Garganta is still floating on primordial sea. Reio just used a portion of he sea.
With reio's name and meaning behind it, my hope just soared for bleach continuation

 

[Hellscream]

Jeez, how do we tell him?


You can see the rest of the abilities with the hax smurf mentioned in the profile, and BFR in here basically activate abilities like Void, Causality, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1) <- Still not on the page yet (for Conceptual Manipulation), and passive abilities from IX, The Nihility themselves which includes Madness Manipulation (Type 2 & 3), Empathic, Sleep, Soul, Mind & Information Manipulation (Type 2) that works with hax smurf..
All this while being Tier 3-C only, I could do a match-up but it wouldn't be fair to be honest

So like where's the thread where this shit got accepted bc i can't find it
Edit: Idc enough about honkai star rail on second thought just curious how it got to 12D specifically

 

[Voidnether]

So like where's the thread where this shit got accepted bc i can't find it
Edit: Idc enough about honkai star rail on second thought just curious how it got to 12D specifically

Imaginary Tree being accepted as 12-D and then Emanators & above get hax smurf because their power simply derives from it

Huge Honkai Revisions PART 2

Since the new system is taking practically an eternity to be applied, I'll just drop a detonator since I'm really unsatisfied with the current state of the overall Honkai cosmology as of now. The Sea of Quanta is already accepted as 11-dimensional on an infinite 11-D scale in this CRT...

vsbattles.com

 

[Soldier_Blue]

uBlock Origin actually works on smartphone too?

You have it as an extension for Firefox on iOS and Android.

I browse YouTube as well these days on Firefox, where I'm logged in. The YouTube app is sh*t when it comes to responsiveness and ads. Only real saving grace for it is the ability to keep videos downloaded for offline watching.

I've seen some theories that it could be the Shinken Hakkyōken (the Ise sword), which would be awesome, but if that is the case, I wonder how it changed in appearance from when the Soul King wielded it.

Spoiler

Really? That would be something. Perhaps it could have been reforged by Oetsu.

However, Shinken Hakkyoken could also be its own separate thing altogether, and perhaps what was used to dismember Adnyeus in the first place.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

I wonder does this mean hell always existed or was created because of a byproduct of the soul king and not directly from him

It's the former, at least according to Can't Fear Your Own World. For whatever reason, Hell always existed, even during the Primordial World, and I think there might've been statements that World of the Living was placed as a seal on Hell, or something like that.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Spoiler

Really? That would be something. Perhaps it could have been reforged by Oetsu.

However, Shinken Hakkyoken could also be its own separate thing altogether, and perhaps what was used to dismember Adnyeus in the first place.

It would be cool.