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i can see people attempting that but i thinks it's going to be harder to get it passed given how specific the speed is to a character that is still considered the peak of the story for 80% of it's run.
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Ayyy another Nardo Speed Thread(The Lightning Round)
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Specifically I denoted "possibly/likely Rel+ with top speeds (his Lariat can reach speeds near light speed)".
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I don't think the rating "possibly" makes sense, a concret rating would make more sense. But even so, there is no possibility that Lariat is an attack faster than Ay's top speed with v2+Shunshin. He Literally says his fastest punch. In this case, if we are going to consider a speed "possibly Rel+ with Lariat", so we should consider a concrete rating for v2: "Possibly Rel+ with Lariat, Rel+ with v2 Shunshin.".My justification for this is that Ay with v2+Shunshin can give a FTE in Sasuke with MS, Sasuke was able to easily dodge Bee's Lariat which also scales to "Possibly Rel+" like Ay. This is concrete proof that v2 is much faster than v1 Lariat. The Sasuke who faced and reacted to Lariat was nerfed because of the fight with Itachi and use the 3 tomoe Sharingan, already against Ay he was 100% and use MS. So that's it, if the Lariat is going to have a "possibly", then the v2+Shunshin must have a concrete rating.
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No, we aren't giving Ay a concrete rating for scaling above a level of speed that's only assumed possibly true. It doesn't work that way. You'd have to argue against the possibly rating itself before you can make any concrete scaling chains from scaling above Lariat.
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So at the at least "Possibly Rel+ with Lariat, higher with v2 Shunshin" or something like that. Arc's note implies to the reader that Lariat is Ay's faster attack, which is false. We have to be correct first of all. (I'm not saying this was Arc's intent, just that the note seems confusing to me.)
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Ay's speed section is going to look so ******* horrible omg.
Like if you correctly categorize everything, it would make that entire section visually ass.
Like if you correctly categorize everything, it would make that entire section visually ass.
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tbf Naruto speed scaling is all over the place in general rn.
I still can't figure out where the sub-relativistic scaling even comes from. I think it's from the Raikage's lightning cloak but I'm not sure and the only calcs I see are the MHS+ ones, a Relativistic Madara calc, and the FTL light fang.
I still can't figure out where the sub-relativistic scaling even comes from. I think it's from the Raikage's lightning cloak but I'm not sure and the only calcs I see are the MHS+ ones, a Relativistic Madara calc, and the FTL light fang.
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The profiles are crap, but as far as I remember, when was the Thread updated (I think in 2021) the MHS+ ratings came from either a Haku mach 1.3k calculation or multipliers about any of the High Hypersonic calculations. For some reason Haku's calculation wasn't put on the back page, but I remember it being accepted in the thread.
Probably the "Sub-Rel" of the verse currently must come from the multipliers of the first gate of the Guy, however, we have this calculation:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...akashi_Intercepts_Kakuzu's_Zaps,_KT's_Version
Which was accepted in this thread:
https://vsbattles.com/threads/kakashi-speed-calculation-revision.133326/page-1
Result Mach 15k Sub-Rel. But it has not yet been applied even on the calculations page, as we had an agreement to wait for the AP revisions to make the speed revisions, though the US69 is gone and the threads have stagnant. A new scaling thread is probably needed, based on the Lariat and this calculation
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This should be the false darkness feat
And gate amp
And I've been told by US96 and I think Tracer that the relativistic feat is wrong
You're right though
Ordinarily we'll see something like "Guy and those who scale to him are treated to be 5x the highest MHS+ calc"
But nothing is there
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That might be important to sort out, as one of the supporting reasonings given by the OP is that the Relativistic Madara feat provides some consistency.
If that feat is gone... That means there is nothing higher than Massively Hypersonic+ that these characters scale to, which casts doubt on a Rel+ rating.
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those characters with the relativistic rating should be being downscaled from One Eyed Six Paths Madara in all honesty.
is there any reason One Eyed Six Paths Madara wasn't given a speed rating relative to SOSP Naruto and Sasuke even though he was the one with light fang and fighting them albeit losing?
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Sasuke blitzed One-Eyed Madara IIRC.
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thanks to the gate 1 multiplier we have a sub rel rating
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In 80% of the universe, the speed of this character is shown at the peaks. Also, even mifune, empowered by naruto, reached ls attack speeds.
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Nobody cares about Mifune.
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?? I presented an argument about consistency and that's your answer?
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Following I guess
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It's not an argument for consistency to say "A character exists who has a lightspeed attack." There is no relationship between the characters at all.
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Didn't anyone tell you that raikage was the fastest character in verse for a long time?
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I mean there are other characters near Mifune that fire off projectiles at similar speeds including Killer Bee's full Bijuu transformation which should still be slower than the Raikage.
I really don't think random Hyuga clan members with Nine-tailed cloaks would tag Ay when KCM Naruto struggled immensely to avoid Ay.
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If you have time, can you consider all these arguments and counter-arguments "for now"?
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Those projectiles aren't necessarily travelling at the same speed. They're shown hitting the target together, but there's no way of telling if they travelled at the same speed to gt there.
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There is no statement for "The Raikage is the fastest person in the Universe".
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raikage's databook has a god speed statement and we have some character statement
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Having "god-like" speed doesn't prove you're the fastest person ever/alive, it just means you're really fast. Ichigo, in the databooks, is stated to have "god-like' speed while in Bankai during the Soul Society Arc, but is objectively slower then the likes of Yamamoto and Aizen who aren't stated to have "god-like" speed. It's just an exaggerated way to tell the viewers that X character is really fast.
I do remember there being statements that after Minato had passed Ay became known as the fastest shinobi alive, so providing those statements would be nice evidence for your claim.
I do remember there being statements that after Minato had passed Ay became known as the fastest shinobi alive, so providing those statements would be nice evidence for your claim.
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The Panel gives the impression they all attacked together at the same time.
For the other attacks to be slower we'd have to assume Mifune fired his attack later than everyone else and his projectile caught up which isn't really implied at all. or that Mifune's attack was fired at the same time but slowed down to match the other attacks which also isn't implied to be the case.
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I'm confused by this entire Issen conversation, Godernet are you trying to scale Lariat above Mifune's Issen, or something else entirely?.
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It wouldn't have to be slowed down. It'd just hit its target, then be followed a microsecond later by everything else hitting the targets.
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In this panel Mifune fires his SOL Issen and its speed is matched by Nine tail's amped Leaf Jonin's projectiles and Killer Bee's Bijuu bomb.
Ay is faster than Bee. Practically from his own admission and through the Raikage being the fastest shinobi at this point in time which would include Bee, his brother.
It also wouldn't make sense for Jonin amped by the weakest version of Naruto's nine tails cloak (something that he distributes to at least 10,000 other shinobi) to be capable of tagging Ay when Naruto himself struggled to avoid Ay's top speeds.
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