I can't even get you to see things my way on a simple narrator statement. I can't possibly argue with you on the rest of the contents of the OP.
I'm not sure we dont know how large the gap is between approaching Hagoromo and actually being at Hags level, wouldnt it be a safer bet to scale him to the casual feat than Hagoromo's main feat?
While rn his page does not list I think it's kinda evident it doesn't translate to physicals 1 to 1
The casual feat was performed by a much stronger version of Madara that had undergone 3 additional amps (God Tree absorption, second Rinnegan, and Sharinnegan)
Didn't Shikimaru impale Hidan using them before? I could've sworn he used them as an actual attack at least once.
he uses it to strangle people
He's way too inconsistent to scale.
Yeah, he could stab Hidan with it.
It's not really paralysis hax, as he's both used it as an attack and it was overpowered via sheer AP in the past (Tayuya for instance), but you're correct in that it does not scale to his physicals. It never has.
Shikamaru also implied that Gaara could’ve done it back in the Chūnin Exams.
So he can get 5-B with Shadow Possession for locking down Kinshiki, right? Or at least scale to his LS?
Well in that case I’m sorry you feel that way. This thread will be open for a while , so feel free to come back to it.
Yes. There's also a statement in his novel for being able to snap all of the Gokage's necks with it. I think @Wrath_Of_Itachi has it.
Man, don't sleep on Shikimaru. Man's could be a ******* Savage if he actually put the effort in.
Naruto and Sasuke at full power are stronger and or more haxed so not a contradiction.
A) we don’t know how B) he was off guard, not a defeater.
He was caught off guard? Amado explained all of this
Yes it does. Being off guard can allow whoever to do whatever the plot demands to stronger characters.
Such as Kinshiki being unexpectedly punched by the Tsuchikage and knocked through the air?
It wasn’t unexpected, she literally appeared right in front of him.
You need to explain why they’re outliers, you can’t just say that they are.
Not when they have explicit and direct feats and statements.
Isshiki being negged while off guard doesn’t debunk my argument unfortunately. Kinshiki wasn’t caught off guard either, look at the scans, she appeared right in front of his eyes.
Was he expecting her to appear there? It looks like she took him completely by surprise by appearing from out of a cloud of smoke.
That's still not enough to declare him above ESTO and not even Kaguya. Firstly, where was it said that he is the strongest threat they have fighting? and even if that statement exists, why would it necessarily be above ESTO? here on the site we consider the destructive power of ESTO as EE, and that doesn't scale to her physique, the High 4-C tier comes from the power of creation of dimensions.
It’s literally in the OP-
