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Avengers: Endgame Revision (with major spoilers)
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Hmmn probably. So Hulk denting vibranium would probably be an outlier then?
And is it really necessary for 2 Scarlet Witch keys tbh?
And is it really necessary for 2 Scarlet Witch keys tbh?
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Mostly fine with the Proposals here. Have no problem with 3-A Complete IG.
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Why at leaat 5-A? Its only 5-A feat is extremely questionable (going by WoG and new statements) and everything else it has is High 6-B.Muuuuh said:
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What do you think about vibranium?Matthew Schroeder said:
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Why at leaat 5-A? Its only 5-A feat is extremely questionable (going by WoG and new statements) and everything else it has is High 6-B.
I do not see this as questionable, a single stone destroyed the surface of a planet and was shown destroying the surface of a moon. Thor held energy beams of the entire gauntlet, the feat is quite clear.
I Said At least cause a full gauntlet is in same place upper than planeta lvel, but in a unknow level.
I do not see this as questionable, a single stone destroyed the surface of a planet and was shown destroying the surface of a moon. Thor held energy beams of the entire gauntlet, the feat is quite clear.
I Said At least cause a full gauntlet is in same place upper than planeta lvel, but in a unknow level.
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I do not see this as questionable
According to WoG Thanos was taken by surprise and the weapon was built to specifically counter the IG. Its why Stormbreaker could overpower the beam but not Thanos' helicopter blade. It should be High 6-B, higher with stormbreaker with a note mentioning its specific counter.
According to WoG Thanos was taken by surprise and the weapon was built to specifically counter the IG. Its why Stormbreaker could overpower the beam but not Thanos' helicopter blade. It should be High 6-B, higher with stormbreaker with a note mentioning its specific counter.
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Has anyone adressed my issues with the statement outside of claiming it's "undeniably 3-A" and leaving it at that?
I mean, I'm fine with dissenting opinions, but I'd at least like a debate on it before being shut down.
I mean, I'm fine with dissenting opinions, but I'd at least like a debate on it before being shut down.
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I think it's weird to scale Thanos as such, because he almost died with 2 snaps in the start, from a far weaker feat, so I think 5-A to 3-A feat should likely take him out just as soon as he gets it.
Also, it's solely based on statement. So there's that.
Also, it's solely based on statement. So there's that.
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At least 5-A, possibly/likely 3-A with the completed IG is an agreeable middle ground imo.
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Tbf universal ratings usually are based on statements alone
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Not when literally every other thing he does in the movie pales in comparison to that one statement that didn't happen. We're basically adding a high tier Thunder McQueen.
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Tbf that was literally his plan. If the Infinity Gauntlet couldn't do such then Thanos had no reason to exaggerate its capabilities.
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Honestly in that point in the movie he was getting almost delusional. His previous ideology, one he fought for for hundreds of years, had backfired right in his face and he suddenly decided to nuke everything.Maverick Zero X said:
He wasn't exactly in the most reasonable mindset when he made that claim.
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The timeline is still ****** because of Captain America staying in the past. However, its a good ****** timeline because now MCU can fully bring in X-Men, Deadpool, an Fantastic Four without any issues.
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Cap went to an Alternate Universe timeline, it wasn't his home timeline. Wasn't that what the Ancient One was talking about? That time travel created a branch in the universe where everyone gets rekt by Dormammu, and Cap had to travel to return the stones in order to not get them rekt.
It was kinda supported how Loki returned the Tesseract to Thanos in 2012, but 2014 Nebula states the Power stone will be the first one Thanos gets his hands on, which would be BS unless both of them were separate timelines.
Actually wait, that's weird as well, since these universes are far different from the Universes mentioned in Doctor Strange. That makes 2-C Dormammu questionable
It was kinda supported how Loki returned the Tesseract to Thanos in 2012, but 2014 Nebula states the Power stone will be the first one Thanos gets his hands on, which would be BS unless both of them were separate timelines.
Actually wait, that's weird as well, since these universes are far different from the Universes mentioned in Doctor Strange. That makes 2-C Dormammu questionable
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What changed about the timeline for that to happen? Unless you're talking about them having the rights to the characters now.Mr. Common Sense said:
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What changed about the timeline for that to happen? Unless you're talking about them having the rights to the characters now.
I think they're referring to the fact that with the merger, they can explain away any future appearances of previously non-existing characters as having been consequences of time travel.
I think they're referring to the fact that with the merger, they can explain away any future appearances of previously non-existing characters as having been consequences of time travel.
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Wait Dormammu is 2-C? I did get so confuse with the whole trickery of Tesseract to Thanos in 2012, but 2014 Nebula with the Power Stone.
DragonEmperor23 yea just like what Mexicino said. Now tha the merger is fully completed. Kevin Feige and the Russo Brothers can easily bring in the set of characters now and just blame it on time travel.
Wait Dormammu is 2-C? I did get so confuse with the whole trickery of Tesseract to Thanos in 2012, but 2014 Nebula with the Power Stone.
DragonEmperor23 yea just like what Mexicino said. Now tha the merger is fully completed. Kevin Feige and the Russo Brothers can easily bring in the set of characters now and just blame it on time travel.
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Oh, okay.
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It was debated whether Dormammu should be 2-C or not, but I don't think it passed through. This might slightly change it however.
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The Stormbreaker interviews don't really say how it's a counter to the gauntlet, if anything the writers seem to be unsure since the second one seems to suggest it was more due to inherent power that Stormbreaker succeeded (calling it the greatest weapon). Also it should be noted Stormbreajee never failed to cut either Thanos or his weapon, it was usually blocked at the handle or dodged.
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Dormammu being 2-C was agreed very much essentially by Ant and Mat: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2042334Zark2099 said:
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It was questioned later by another thread I remember, but didn't have enough leverage
It was questioned later by another thread I remember, but didn't have enough leverage
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According to WoG Thanos was taken by surprise and the weapon was built to specifically counter the IG. Its why Stormbreaker could overpower the beam but not Thanos' helicopter blade. It should be High 6-B, higher with stormbreaker with a note mentioning its specific counter.
You try to find a logic in these movies but it actually was PIS. Thanos was with a Buff that he did not have in the first movie, while Thor had a nerf. In the first film, Thanos with 4 stones fought with Iron Man and he went well, HF had better armor in the second film, was with Thor that had 2 hammers and the captain, but still lost to a Thanos without stones, that was PIS. Thor was able to hold bundles of energy with all the gems of infinity, that's 5-A in my eyes.
You try to find a logic in these movies but it actually was PIS. Thanos was with a Buff that he did not have in the first movie, while Thor had a nerf. In the first film, Thanos with 4 stones fought with Iron Man and he went well, HF had better armor in the second film, was with Thor that had 2 hammers and the captain, but still lost to a Thanos without stones, that was PIS. Thor was able to hold bundles of energy with all the gems of infinity, that's 5-A in my eyes.
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Endgame Thanos was bloodlusted, unlike Infinity War.
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I think that in Wanda's page, the current explanation for the High 6-B should be "Single-handedly pushed back Thanos with an energy blast for a considerable amount of time while having a mental breakdown and destroying the Mind Stone at the same time, despite Thanos shielding himself with a barrier using the Space Stone."
I think the fact that Thanos was using the Blue/Space Stone to make the barrier and the fact she was having a breakdown during that should be mentioned, considered we saw what she Bloodlusted could do. (I had commented this on the wrong thread lol)
I think the fact that Thanos was using the Blue/Space Stone to make the barrier and the fact she was having a breakdown during that should be mentioned, considered we saw what she Bloodlusted could do. (I had commented this on the wrong thread lol)
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The Infinity Gauntlet doesn't make you physically stronger.
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Thanos was annoyed with these Avengers after seeing in the future, and wanted to kill everything and start all over again. In Infinity War he didn't attempt to kill anyone.
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I agree with that, it does not make it physically stronger, but it dramatically raises your DC when using power beams, since the stones are at least High 6-A. And both HF and Thor were able to withstand either shields or hammers to the Beams of more than one stone, but the HF shields did not stand at Thanos's snags and Thor's hammer did not hurt Thanos with its beams. Nor does anyone take a sword with them when there is no intention of killing.
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Yet Thanos didn't really use the power beams a lot, and even when he did he didn't use the full power of the Stones, as even Okoye and Captain America were able to tank it.
Thanos was trying to push Stormbreaker into Thor and kill him, and he was willing to destroy the entire universe this time.
Thanos was trying to push Stormbreaker into Thor and kill him, and he was willing to destroy the entire universe this time.
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brief question: the Infinity stones are said to tear apart anyone who physically holds them right?
So would Hawkeye have any upgrades relqted to that statement since he held the mind stone with no issues, even if he did it briefly?
So would Hawkeye have any upgrades relqted to that statement since he held the mind stone with no issues, even if he did it briefly?
