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Armament Haki Changes
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Marco himself isn't intangible, the flames are.
And Haki doesn't negate intangibility in general, it allows you to hit a logia's substantial body, which is why it did nothing to prometheus
You can't prove that hitting Marco's flames is equivalent to hitting a logia.
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Literally went through his flames... You can see Rayleigh hitting a light sword as it was solid... Also haki has elemental intangibility negation for a reason....
It hit him solidly
And the anime supports him hitting Prometheus solidly
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Again, prove Marco's flames function the same way a logia's element does, the reason CoA can hurt logia's is because it's hitting their substantial body, Marco isn't a logia, there's no reason for this to apply to him.
No evidence that Kizaru's light sword is intangible, it literally states on his profile that he creates a sword of light and then solidifies it.
Not relevant to anything I've said, you're ignoring the specifics for how CoA "negates" logia intangibility, which don't apply to Marco.
No Luffy didn't hit Prometheus, the air from his punches was dissipating Prometheus the same way blowing air onto fire would.
Anime is completely irrelevant, we don't use games to support our arguments, no different with the anime, they're both equally as non canon.
Also, the anime literally shows Luffy's fists going through Prometheus if you look at it closely, he's just stopping them before they go all the way through, so yeah, hardly supportive of your argument.
Lastly, if Luffy was truly hitting Prometheus, KingTempest wouldn't have had NPI switched to Elemental Intangibility negation in the first place here
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Literally makes hitting noises....
Logia are natural elements... Marco's act the same.
Your blatantly being ignorant to support your argument. I ain't responding.
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The manga doesn't have those hitting noises, it has "Woosh" noises, the kind commonly used to represent the noise made from punching air.
How are blue magical flames that instantly heal you natural? He's a Mythical Zoan for a reason, because it's not something that occurs naturally, this is exactly why Katakuri's Mochi Mochi no Mi was changed to a Special Paramecia from a Logia.
Marco isn't a logia, you can't prove that his flames function the same as a logia's.
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They both are elements... They both act intangible
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Not magical and they speed up your natural healing to a very fast rate....
Because it's based of off a mythical creature...
Yee and he is intangible...
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We can see his neck twisted.
He has bandages on his neck.
Forehead and neck.
Fine
Don't focus on this point
Assumption based on evidence provided. No reason why Marco didn't heal the damage brought up by him.
Irrelevant.
False equivalence.
Swordsmen don't infuse the air with haki then send it flying. They infuse their sword with haki then send air pressure along with the haki, which is why we don't see black air.
Better answer? Lasers don't have mass. How do you put haki in/on something that doesn't have mass.
They don't put Haki on air, idk who lied to you and told you that.
And no, we don't have proof Kizaru can do that.
And no, fodder swordsmen don't do it. Brook, who's definitely not a fodder swordsman, couldn't do it until after the timeskip and noted it as a move for a certain level of swordsmen
Mochi has mass. Mochi is solid. Both things that light are not.
Gravity has no mass. Gravity isn't solid. Both no mass.
Not debatable. We see him send a projectile against a logia and it doesn't work.
They might as well be since they're compressed air which people can deflect, kick, punch, etc. it.
Your argument is that they can put haki on the lasers.
Prove you can put haki on something with little to no mass.
Your argument is 100000% headcanon based on absolutely nothing but "if fodder swordsman can do it".
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Also Garp's punch hit him solidly while the laser didn't.
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Listing off similarities isn't going to magically turn Marco into a logia
They're literally magical flames, hardly a natural element.
Yeah, mythical creatures aren't natural...
Which means nothing, I never said Katakuri wasn't intangible, he's basically a logia, Oda just renamed him to a Special Paramecia to fit logia's being natural elements.
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Monkey never said it's a natural element.
He said it enhances your natural healing.
He said it enhances your natural healing.
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He's been comparing it to the natural elements of logia for like three posts now
Marco isn't a logia, nor are his flames a natural element, so no, they're not the same.
Hell, Marco shouldn't even have intangibility, the entire point of the flames is that he does take damage, he just heals it nigh instantly, giving the appearance that the attacks pass through, love to see the thread where his intangibility was accepted.
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It's quite sad that people conveniently ignore this scan and still misinterpret Marco's regen.Monkey never said it's a natural element.
He said it enhances your natural healing.
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Disagree on the OP for KT reason they showed more scans and more things than the other
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That could just be Luffy's fist moving, noted by him in gear second using his jet gatling, his fastest attackThe ボ next to Prometheus denotes "Whoosh" when used as SFX, which is to indicate something moving fast or the noise created by something moving fast, like punching air
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Exactly, my point was that the sound of Luffy's punches actually connecting with something physically isn't in the manga like it is the anime.
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That's fair
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It can signify multiple thingsThat's just fire moving...
And you seem to misunderstand my point, all that matters is that the SFX in the manga doesn't indicate that Luffy's punches are connecting like it does in the anime.
Here's what is used when Luffy's Jet Gatling punches connect with Lucci for example
ド is generally used to indicate the sound made when a punch lands
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If luffy didn't hit Prometheus solidly he would have realized sooner that it wasn't working
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We can't thoughIt doesn't need to when we can see luffy literally hitting it solid perfectly
His punch isn't connecting with Prometheus, that's just parts of Prometheus dissipating.
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You can literally see Luffy's knuckle on the fire that he's hitting... Literally every single punch
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Which is the air produced by Luffy's punches dissipating Prometheus
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???
What has that anything to do with what I said?
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The reason why Prometheus wasn't hurt by Luffy's punches was because Prometheus doesn't have a "true body", considering that Prometheus has immortality type 3,5 and 6 it only makes sense that Busoshoku haki doesn't hurt him or destroy it completely, but it doesn't take away the fact that Luffy made contact with his elemental form (as you can see in this scan).
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I don't really see what repeating it for the 5th or 6th time is going to change
Luffy isn't touching Prometheus, it just appears that way because the air produced from his punches is dissipating Prometheus, the same way blowing air into a fire distorts the fire and changes its shape.
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The vivre card saying nothing about armament haki not working, but it just does no damage
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Except he is touching Prometheus, his face clearly indicates that Luffy's punches is touching his elemental form, how are you going to explain Prometheus's expression otherwise? Prometheus just chooses to close his eyes because of air produced from Luffy's punches? since when is Air capable of doing that in One piece? especially the fact it doesn't make any sense in context.
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Nice findThe vivre card saying nothing about armament haki not working, but it just does no damage
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What does that prove exactly?The vivre card saying nothing about armament haki not working, but it just does no damage
We already know that Luffy was unable to damage Prometheus
Doesn't this directly disprove elemental intangibility negation, it says that the reason Luffy can't damage Prometheus is because he's fire.
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ways to hurt it, is by attacking the soul (Brook) and or a large amount of water (Jinbe)...
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How? He's hitting it solidly and it's not doing damage.... I mean they only thing is to find a statement that says it's hitting it solidly... Actually it would be the other way around... No where does it say it doesn't/can't hit elemental beings solidly.
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All that Vivre Card scan you posted says is that Luffy is unable to damage Prometheus with CoA because he's fire, that directly debunks elemental intangibility negation.
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That doesn't debunk anything.
Elemental intan negation means it negates intangibility.
Haki users hit the true body.
After Luffy negated the intan, there was nothing behind it.
Elemental intan negation means it negates intangibility.
Haki users hit the true body.
After Luffy negated the intan, there was nothing behind it.
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So, you concede to the fact that Luffy indeed was touching Prometheus, meaning he was interacting with Elemental beings aka Elemental intangibility? (the point we were trying to make). Aren't you taking this out of context once again? Prometheus is practically immortal, elemental intangibility negation doesn't allow you to kill immortal beings, let alone -- Type 3 Immortality - Immortality via regeneration: Characters with this type of immortality can simply regenerate from wounds that would normally be lethal, though its effectiveness depends on the degree of the regeneration.
Like Tempest said luffy destroyed it and it came back, doesn't debunk our points.
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So essentially, CoA isn't negating elemental intangibility, it's moreso exploiting a weakness of logia intangibility?
Just because Kizaru has a "substantial body" that can be hit by CoA doesn't mean Sandman from Marvel Comics does too
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It makes it solid so that it can hurt people that are elemental...
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It's stated to force the user's body into solidarity, i.e. forcing it into its state where it can be harmed.
Sandman wasn't born a blob of sand like how Prometheus was born a blob of fire, which means that if he's "forced into solidarity" like a logia, he'll be harmed.
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