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That doesn't make it limited, if that's the case no one has regen neg or regen because there will always be different types of regen or regen negs.
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Armament Haki Changes
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If somebody can absorb fire created through Ki/Chakra/whatever, but they're incapable of absorbing natural flames, then they could have "Limited Fire Absorption" on their profile, with an explanation of what they can and can't do.
Listing abilities, we don't always need to use "Limited" but some cases are clearer than others.
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Yee but Haki negates natural regen that's amped... There are so many characters that regens like that.... Which isn't limited and haki negates that.
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Wow Jigen/Isshiki fits that perfectly
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And there's many unamped regeneration out there too.
And since Haki can't / hasn't been shown to negate that type of regeneration, it needs to be specified that it is limited.
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If someone can negate only body regen via magic Should it be Limited Too?
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Asta has Magical Regeneration Negation (Low-Mid; Prevented Vetto from regenerating his wound with Forbidden Magic)
Tanjiro has Regeneration Negation (High-Mid; Tanjiro’s Dance of the Sun God/Breath of the Sun negates Demon’s regenerative abilities and makes the slashed portion feel as though its burning)
Escanor has Regeneration Negation (Mid)
Notably, Sunshine-imbued attacks can prevent regeneration up to a certain extent. Though Izraf's wounds closed, the heat remained and continued to damage him. Melascula was unable to heal her burns even after she had recovered her energy. In addition, Escanor's soul itself is imbued with Sunshine and severely burns those who attempt to extract and absorb it, returning to his body on its own.
Joseph Joestar has Regeneration Negation (High-Mid, but only against opponents weak to sunlight)
And they aren't limited.
Tanjiro has Regeneration Negation (High-Mid; Tanjiro’s Dance of the Sun God/Breath of the Sun negates Demon’s regenerative abilities and makes the slashed portion feel as though its burning)
Escanor has Regeneration Negation (Mid)
Notably, Sunshine-imbued attacks can prevent regeneration up to a certain extent. Though Izraf's wounds closed, the heat remained and continued to damage him. Melascula was unable to heal her burns even after she had recovered her energy. In addition, Escanor's soul itself is imbued with Sunshine and severely burns those who attempt to extract and absorb it, returning to his body on its own.
Joseph Joestar has Regeneration Negation (High-Mid, but only against opponents weak to sunlight)
And they aren't limited.
WrongIdea21
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we don't need to give it a Limited Rating, all we need to do is add a proper explanation.
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All of these are limited and this is shown in the description
One is limited to those who regenerate with a spell (Asta) and the other two are those who are fragile to sunlight (Joseph and Tanjiro)
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It should be Limited or specified.
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Yeah most of them had speaific detail on it.
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I understand the negation of regeneration through haki versus logia. But how exactly would the haki deny the bodily abilities of someone who has only one body(trully)?
On sbs, in comparison with mera mera no mi(logia), Oda stated that marco has a physical body for being a zoan. If haki denies the properties of the Phoenix body, wouldn't it be intuitive to think that she would also deny the hardness of kaido's scales?
On sbs, in comparison with mera mera no mi(logia), Oda stated that marco has a physical body for being a zoan. If haki denies the properties of the Phoenix body, wouldn't it be intuitive to think that she would also deny the hardness of kaido's scales?
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Haki never denied the properties of the phoenix body.
It denied the properties of the phoenix' ability.
Kaido's scales are part of his biology. It doesn't deny biology.
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So you agree that Garp's haki punch negated Marco's ability?
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It did not negate the physiology of marco's Phoenix so you cannot equate it with kaido dragon durability which comes from his physiology
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I never mentioned Kaido.
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That was the context of the message you quoted tho
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I quoted the part where he was talking about Marco, in which he said that haki negated Marco's DF ability.
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While leaving out the context, I just helped you by telling you the context
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Marco was still a Phoenix when he got punched with haki.
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I know the context. Him using what happened to Marco to help with his Kaido claim doesn't mean I can't pick out what he said with Marco.
What he said about Marco is what this whole CRT is trying to change.
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Hmmm, but resurrection flames are to Marco what scales are to Kaido. This is part of Phoenix biology.
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You’re implying with this statement that it’s only Haki vs DF. You didn’t say it, but if I said “yes” you would’ve restated it.
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Phoenix flames is not biology, it’s an ability. That’s like saying flame clouds is a biology.
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No.
Resurrection flames are to Marco what Boro Breath and Flame Clouds are to Kaido.
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I disagree. Kaido would still be a dragon if he couldn't use his clouds of flame and borobreath. But Marco couldn't be a Phoenix without his regenerating flames.
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No he wouldn't.
Zoans are meant to transform you into an animal. That's the basic ability of a Zoan.
Mythical Zoans get a specific ability. Sengoku gets shockwaves, Catarina shapeshifts. Kaido gets ele
A phoenix is a type of bird, but the ability is regen. You could be a phoenix without regen, it's just unusual.
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It's... kind of goes with what I think about Marco. Thanks for the clarification. I'm no expert on mythology, I won't insist.
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No problem, and when I say mythical zoans, it's actually a term in the series.
You have zoans, people who turn into animals.
You have SMILES, artificial zoans
You have ancient zoans, people who turn into ancient animals.
You have mythical zoans, people who turn into mythical animals.
So it's not really the mythology, it's just how Oda handles it
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Yes, I understand. I was referring to the argument about an unusual phoenix. I can't say otherwise, as I don't know the mythology itself.
The phoenix is called immortal. But does this immortality refer to invulnerability to attack or rebirth? If it's the second option, did they attack it with water? I just don't have the knowledge to answer these questions.
The phoenix is called immortal. But does this immortality refer to invulnerability to attack or rebirth? If it's the second option, did they attack it with water? I just don't have the knowledge to answer these questions.
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