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It works on those who can alter or speed up ones regenSo you're saying it wouldn't work against non-Devil Fruit healing then?
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It works on those who can alter or speed up ones regenSo you're saying it wouldn't work against non-Devil Fruit healing then?
So you're saying it wouldn't work against non-Devil Fruit healing then?
You read and responded to this less than an hour agowhich have been shown to extend to non devil fruit abilities as well
Which isn't what I said, don't strawman.I actually read the thread and it would be headcanon to say some random fodder marines just somehow manage to hurt marco
You read and responded to this less than an hour ago
You said someone offscreen hurt him.Which isn't what I said, don't strawman.
Not strict btw
Occam's razor.When has it been shown to extend to non-Devil Fruit healing?
I never said a marine fodder injured him like AnosVoldigoad314 claimed.You said someone offscreen hurt him.
Aokiji was with Jozu
Kizaru was with Marco most of the time
Akainu was with WB or in his chair
Sengoku and Garp were standing next to Ace
Everybody else was fodder.
Ok but why wouldn't he just regen from the random person that injured him?Did you not respond to my post where I detailed the 4 or 5 off-screen encounters Marco had? No idea why you're trying to play it off like Marco didn't fight anyone off-screen after Garp when I've literally proven that he did.
Occam's razor.
Negation of devil fruit abilities have stretched to their non devil fruit counterparts.
Another devil fruit would follow the same rule unless contradicted
And let's look at the candidates.I never said a marine fodder injured him like AnosVoldigoad314 claimed.
Did you not respond to my post where I detailed the 4 or 5 off-screen encounters Marco had? No idea why you're trying to play it off like Marco didn't fight anyone off-screen after Garp when I've literally proven that he did.
Marco's healing is based on his stamina, just because he can heal from their attacks at one point doesn't mean he can do so all the time, and he could have had internal injuries towards the end of the war.And let's look at the candidates.
The admirals are off the list, because we see Marco consistently heal from the admiral's injuries.
Mihawk is far from him.
Sengoku and Garp are next to Ace.
So the only candidates are vice admirals and below, who are all FODDER
You can be looking at an on-screen event and your interpretation of it can still be wrong or lead to unsupported conclusions elsewhere.The most ironic part is our points are considered as "headcanon" despite, we are actually using on-screen events,
An age is not something that can be touched by Haki, so this is a bad example.That is a very liberal usage of Occam's Razor.
One Devil Fruit can grant eternal youth to a person.
You can infer that Haki would negate this, allowing anyone with Haki to remove age-based immortality from any character.
Which is a ridiculous extrapolation in my opinion and wouldn't be accepted.
We shouldn't just list abilities that we can headcanon into existence through Occam's Razor.
Marco was ready to fight Akainu again. He had stamina. And he healed himself towards the end of the warMarco's healing is based on his stamina, just because he can heal from their attacks at one point doesn't mean he can do so all the time, and he could have had internal injuries towards the end of the war.
Not sure why you forgot I dubbed it as an inconsistent mark which changed its placement on Marco's body.Not sure why you're dodging the fact that we see the injury caused by Garp vanish after a short while which was neither near his forehead nor his neck, Garp didn't break his neck, nor did he negate his regen, he gave him a slight bruise that vanished after a brief moment, we literally see it.
Literally the most supported conclusion from every angle possible is that Garp, who is the only person who showed an injury having ANY EFFECT on his neck, was the reason of the neck bandage, which means he negated the regen since he would've healed.You can be looking at an on-screen event and your interpretation of it can still be wrong or lead to unsupported conclusions elsewhere.
Weren't you the very same person who was against this kind of logic?You can be looking at an on-screen event and your interpretation of it can still be wrong or lead to unsupported conclusions elsewhere.
Weren't you the very same person who was against this kind of logic?
Possibly is, possibly isn't.Totally not a biased summary
Using unreliable assumptions such as things never presented to us, off-screen fights that never happened or mentioned in the manga/anime and headcanon than on-screen events.What kind of logic? I don't think I've ever denied that a person's interpretation of an on-screen event can be wrong or lead to leaps in logic elsewhere that are unsupported, and that applies to me too.
Elaborate why it's biased.Totally not a biased summary
Totally not a biased summary
Because he glossed over the actual arguments, which is expected, given that he'd obviously want to make his argument look better.Elaborate why it's biased.
That's quite an accusation, you know. Besides, I do agree the whole back and forth is annoying. However, I still personally think, it doesn't make any sense to assume that Marco would fight anyone as strong as Garp off-screen when all the strong characters were occupied with some other things.Because he glossed over the actual arguments, which is expected, given that he'd obviously want to make his argument look better.
Though frankly, I've lost interest in this, we spent hours going in circles for essentially nothing
And after all this time you haven't sent or said anything that's not headcannon besides the SFXBecause he glossed over the actual arguments, which is expected, given that he'd obviously want to make his argument look better.
Though frankly, I've lost interest in this, we spent hours going in circles for essentially nothing
I listed both sides of the arguments. I even edited it to add one I was missing. Then I brought the pros and cons for each side.Gotta agree with Purgy here. You're not exactly presenting it from an objective stand-point.
So essentially you want Oda to make it where 2 haki users are never allowed to regenerate wounds correct?Let's take a look at Cracker vs. Luffy for example.
With Haki, Cracker could overpower Luffy's Haki defenses and cut him, drawing blood from him.
Since Luffy stopped bleeding after a while and his cut healed over, Luffy managed to heal/regenerate from that. Outside of assumptions like "Luffy's Haki overpowered Cracker's Haki" the conclusion I take away from this is that Cracker's Haki did not negate Luffy's natural ability to heal/regenerate.
This kind of circumstance is the reason why I think it is nonsense to try and apply a solid "Regeneration Negation" as it is currently is on the Haki page.
So essentially you want Oda to make it where 2 haki users are never allowed to regenerate wounds correct?
Marco uses an external source to speed up the natural healing factor.
If you are harmed in a certain place by Haki, you negate that.
Not that you will never regen again, you just won't regen at the rate that Marco amps you towards, which is a ridiculously high rate.
It wouldn’t be limited, unless the definition of regeneration negation is “completely halts the creation of new cells” which is unrealistic. It stops amped healing factors. That’s regen negThen should it not be Limited Regeneration Negation?
A few examples.I could not reply to the past messages since I guess it is may just start another circular argument.
But from the last few posts from KT, If haki does not negate natural healing process and not all artificial healing process(like mansherry who literally has the heal heal fruit) and the only thing it does is interfere with amps that can increase the rate of natural healing.
It should be "Limited Regeneration Negation" and it would be a case by case basis as most people with regen I know basically comes natural to them and they don't need amps from outside to increase the healing rate
Would it be limited?
YesA few examples.
Naruto Uzumaki, who most of us are familiar with, uses 9 Tails chakra to amp his healing factor, yet that's not his regular healing and that's while amped.
Haki would negate that.
YesMajin Buu's regeneration is his base regeneration which isn't amped. It's just... really good.
Haki wouldn't negate that.
Well.if it is not limited it needs a note that states specifically what it does.Would it be limited?
THANK YOU. This was what I was trying to say earlier in the thread before it got swarmed by derails.A few examples.
Naruto Uzumaki, who most of us are familiar with, uses 9 Tails chakra to amp his healing factor, yet that's not his regular healing and that's while amped.
Haki would negate that.
Majin Buu's regeneration is his base regeneration which isn't amped. It's just... really good.
Haki wouldn't negate that.
Even though I disagree with Mansherry's "regeneration" which can heal trauma, inanimate objects, etc., this is pretty much how it would work.
Would it be limited?
What it says is on the regen page is what haki regen negates kinda does...Regeneration, often referred to as a healing factor, is the ability to heal from wounds at an accelerated rate, with many characters proving capable of regenerating from wounds that would be lethal to normal humans.
It has several different levels that range in potency from what is essentially just faster natural healing to being able to regrow limbs or organs, or even a severed head.
It would still be limited. Just as you can't equalize Haki, unless the power system is similar to Haki, Haki wouldn't just negate EVERY regen outside of it. It's case by case aka limited.Boros has the same regen... Alot of characters Amp their regeneration... Like
Hulk, Boros, Meliodas, The Flash, Saber and many more