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If you claims it's not far-fetched, you most likely have something to back it up?
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He just choose to stay damaged even though he's shown healing instantly every opportunity he gets on-screen?
A fight two years later, where he had retired for around a year from being a commander. Also even in that fight on-screen he healed from every hit they landed on him, the only thing he didn't heal from were bruises on his face and funnily enough those could have been haki inflicted wounds.Not true as his fight against King and Queen proves.
A fight two years later, where he had retired for around a year from being a commander. Also even in that fight on-screen he healed from every hit they landed on him, the only thing he didn't heal from were bruises on his face and funnily enough those could have been haki inflicted wounds.
Who says he can apply haki on his sword, evidence of his proficiency being that great would be needed. So far the only haki showing we've gotten is from Queen who showed basic application on his limbs only, we can't deduce he's capable of applying his haki externally from that.Why would the bruises on his face be his only Haki-inflicted wounds? King just forgot to apply Haki to his sword when he cut off Marco's wing?
Which we do not accept on this wiki after my several threads trying to push the "it negates devil fruits" and people disagree until "we see every devil fruit negated in the series".In the Haki page, Armament haki has Regeneration Negation. Iirc, the reasoning was due to Marco not healing from getting hit by Garp.
This could very easily be explained as simple Devil Fruit Ability negation.
Sanji didn't even hit him in his teeth, he hit him in his nose and eyes.Haki having Regeneration Negation can be so easily debunked by literally anybody healing from getting hit by Haki imbued attacks, such as Luffy healing his tooth after fighting Sanji, who would need to use haki to harm Luffy.
Simple.I don't understand the mental gymnastic you would have to use to even come to that conclusion (Marco not healing due to Haki regen negation), when Haki was literally introduced in the series to negate Devil Fruit Abilites,
We don't say Haki negates only logias because we see Prometheus get punched like a real person.
If I hit a logia right, and their true body is revealed, would their true body be revealed 12 hours later for someone else?
If I throw water on Crocodile, could everybody hit him for 12 hours?
Your argument is "the wiki is pushing the narrative that whoever gets hit by a haki infused attack would never heal for the rest of their life. They'll never regrow hair, never regrow teeth, never heal skin cells, they should/would be injured permanently" which is an unintentional strawman.
You need examples of someone in the series who can heal in a quick timeframe that doesn't get their regen negated.
That Doflamingo example was not good.
As of Chapter 807, 11 days already passed. So sending a scan from 906 (where the scan sent above was), which is after Whole Cake Island which took several days-a week, so maybe 2 weeks after Doffy's injury, is (with all due respect) a ridiculous amount of desperation.
I never said he hurt him.Prometheus is an example of Haki not working. Luffy points this out. He has no "solid body" to be damaged.
When Luffy punched Caesar.No. Not sure what you mean by this though.
Glad we agreeIf he was somehow still wet, then yes. Otherwise, no.
It doesn't need that much elaboration.Then there needs to be elaboration beyond a simple "Regeneration Negation".
AgreedThen there needs to be elaboration beyond a simple "Regeneration Negation".
Why not? There are different types of regeneration. The pages should be more specific.It doesn't need that much elaboration.
I never said he hurt him.
I said he punched him like a regular person.
Haki didn't hurt him because he has no solid body under his flames to get hurt, but Luffy punched him as if he was a physical person
If Luffy left at that moment, and a bunch of non haki users wanted to hurt Caesar, could they have done it?
For a certain lengthy period of time, the opponent cannot regenerate certain places where they are harmed.
You're thinking I'm referring to the dispersionPrometheus was dispersed because of the force of Luffy's strikes but fire not an intangible concept, completely immune to physical forces. If you blow wind on a fire, it will move and flicker.
Luffy's punch of Promtheus could be just like that. Haki isn't necessarily the cause of that.
This is what we're given.I'm not satisfied that is the only explanation at this stage. Even if it is plausible, it is not a certainty.
Why is the one piece verse this strict? literally mostly everyone I have seen that have regen… doesn’t have an elaboration on it and stuff…
TBH I don't think it's as strict as you're making it out to be. Especially if you compare it to Bleach () and Naruto/Boruto. Also this CRT isn't meant to make things strict, it's meant to clarify what Armament Haki does, what it can and what it cannot do, it's limits. It's because you don't want it to change, that you feel like we're being strict.Why is the one piece verse this strict? literally mostly everyone I have seen that have regen… doesn’t have an elaboration on it and stuff…
Those other verses need to be fixed too then.
But that's literally what is shown?I'm not satisfied that is the only explanation at this stage. Even if it is plausible, it is not a certainty.
I literally agreed in the beginning that it needs to be elaborated… (probably by liking a comment)TBH I don't think it's as strict as you're making it out to be. Especially if you compare it to Bleach () and Naruto/Boruto. Also this CRT isn't meant to make things strict, it's meant to clarify what Armament Haki does, what it can and what it cannot do, it's limits. It's because you don't want it to change, that you feel like we're being strict.
But that's literally what is shown?
it literally is strict tho… every thing that gets added, it needs to go multiple pages and needs a lot of arguing to get it accepted…
That's just how it is. You can't expect a big verse to have everyone agree with it. You should expect some arguments. In this situation though, I don't believe it's strict at all. All this is asking for is an elaboration. And the fact that this CRT (and others in the past) even exists proves that the Haki page still needs more work in clarification and elaboration.it literally is strict tho… every thing that gets added, it needs to go multiple pages and needs a lot of arguing to get it accepted…
Excuse me? I said it's what's shown not stated, but what is shown is he didn't regenerate from a hit from a haki user, Tempests post explains it fine.It's your interpretation of what is shown. I don't recall it ever being said that the only reason Marco doesn't regenerate is because he is hit by Haki.
No it’s always from misinformation and being ignorant or something… tempest is still after months, commenting about the same thing with no conclusion. That happens a lot, you also need to repeat you self multiple times until you make others understand.That's just how it is. You can't expect a big verse to have everyone agree with it. You should expect some arguments. In this situation though, I don't believe it's strict at all. All this is asking for is an elaboration. And the fact that this CRT (and others in the past) even exists proves that the Haki page still needs more work in clarification and elaboration.
What?No it’s always from misinformation and being ignorant or something… tempest is still after months, commenting about the same thing with no conclusion. That happens a lot, you also need to repeat you self multiple times until you make others understand.
No it’s always from misinformation and being ignorant or something… tempest is still after months, commenting about the same thing with no conclusion. That happens a lot, you also need to repeat you self multiple times until you make others understand.
The inverse is also true. There shouldn't require this much arguing just to elaborate on the page.
So what should be the justification or elaboration?This is what we're given.
Can’t you just say Marco couldn’t regen days after he got hit by garp or something?I have no opinion since it doesn't need elaboration, unless we make a wiki wide standard to evaluate the mechanics of all regeneration negation
So what should be the justification or elaboration?
But Marco is literally already in full blue flames when he got hit with the haki imbued punch…Possibly Regeneration Negation (Mid) [Marco, who uses the Phoenix's Flames of Regeneration has been shown to take attacks from Armament Haki users without regenerating from them, however it is not yet confirmed if the use of Haki is what stops his ability from taking effect, and other characters have been shown to recover naturally from injuries inflicted by Haki users]
NoNaruto literally has it for much weaker reasons.
Directly stated to slow down regenerationLimited Regeneration Negation (Up to Low-Godly; Kabuto stated that it would take time for Muu to regenerate from Naruto's attack due to the new power he acquired)
No
Directly stated to slow down regeneration
Yes considering this is exactly what I meant.
My point it exactly, Regeneration Negation comes in the form of slowing it down which is what's happening here.Directly stated to slow down regeneration
Naruto's is Limited.My point it exactly, Regeneration Negation comes in the form of slowing it down which is what's happening here.