We actually don't know this. We do know however Zaraki has such bad control that he cannot even alter the SP he releases, given he needs an eyepatch to do so.
The stats are explicitly for SS arc Captains. They mean nothing for TYBW Zaraki. TYBW Zaraki learns how to control his power anyhow. There is only Captain stats.
You did refer to base forms but then mentioned shikai and bankai. Of course I di dnot factor zaraki as part of that. Especially when I originally did have him in what I clearly thought was using his SP to attack ichigo but you dismiss it as his SP randomly flailing.
Yes and I explicitly distinguish the base scaling using the databook stats with their amped states in the OP...
......No?
Arc already addressed this, so i won't.
Bro what? Of course the dome was below Ichigo because he was standing on it. And what do you mean it wasn’t fired downwards?? Ulquiorra was in the air above Ichigo wasn’t he? It’d be like saying Aizen didn’t fire his Fragor down at Ichigo despite standing on a cliff above him, and even then, it directly hit Ichigo’s arm and still made a giant crater beneath Ichigo despite it being fired only at him.
I prefer “at most” over a big downscale like this
Real question, why is any of this important. Like, what would it matter if it were a graze or not?
This doesn't matter to this thread at all, stop derailing with unimportant points. We're talking about the Sokyoku scaling and that's it, Ulquiorra holds no barring over this.
This is the dumbest semantic argument I’ve been in. Not All Of Ulq’s Cero Hit Las Noches. Do we agree on that? I provided a scan explicitly proving such.
Literally just asked him to reword it lol. He’s the one who went off about it flying into the air after it hit Ichigo but I can drop it no problem
Suicide attack is more of an exaggerated figure of speech, to indicate Chad can’t do that normally
Concession Accepted.
Only correct post on this thread
Heh...classic
I have a few issues in regards to some of your few issues, boo ya
First off, Yoruichi isn't fighting anyone while training them. She gives them a Tenshintai and has them fight their Zanpakuto. Renji explicitly trains by himself tho anyhow since he can externalize Zabimaru. So, Yoruichi hosting a training session means literally nothing for scaling. She did not spar with them, they fought their own Zanpakuto. This argument here is nothing more than incredulity at Renji being strong.
Post-Zaraki fight/zenkai Ichigo approaching that level of power is fine. It's uncontradicted and that Ichigo has no other scaling anyhow. I didn't bother including that cuz that Ichigo doesn't have any keys.
Again training someone, especially with Yoruichi's hands off method means nothing. And Yoruichi putting her hand into an already open wound is no means to scale her to Ichigo. If Ichigo was healthy sure, but we see verbatim that Ichigo's stomach had not healed and the wound was open before he left to confront Byakuya. So no Yoruichi stabbing an open wound does not make her scale to Ichigo. Furthermore, wrapping Senbonzakura with a cloth doesn't mean she scales to Byakuya either. That's just sealing Byakuya's Zanpakuto. So again no, Yoruichi has 0 scaling to Byakuya or Ichigo, which is more consistent with Soi Fon's databook stats anyhow.
Agreed.
The downscale comes from the standard for downscaling on wiki. If you're below + for the tier you downscale to baseline, if your above + for the tier you downscale to +. But more people are in favor of at most, which is fine by me.
Aight, I think a possibly for Chad is fine for the doubt you mentioned.
Databooks say Ichigo can block it, Ichigo says he can block it, Ichigo destroys the Takka which can tank the Sokyoku, and Rukia has practically 0 spirit energy. She is a fallible character with nothing backing up her claim. Also, if you agree that Byakuya scales you'd inherently concede to Ichigo scaling, since Ichigo is Byakuya's equal if not superior.
That makes sense
Ichigo 's said "that is dosn't matther for me " this Ichigo ' confidents. Yes he blocked first attack but soukyoku The power of soukyoku may be 5A, but that does not mean that he went to hit rukia with a power of 5A, in my opinion.2. What indicates that it will stop the attack, that is, stop a serious soukyoku? I think if Ichigo could do that, he wouldn't have sealed the soukyoku, ukitake and kyroku.
Not a fact but the second attack could’ve resulted in like a huge explosion so Shunsui and Jushiro probably didn’t want to take that chance so they went ahead and sealed it
A) The Sokyoku is not 5-A, it's accepted to be 6-B and just 6-B
5A just a example.I only saying kyroku and ukitake dont believe ichigo blocked second attack so they sealed. I just don't think it makes sense for it to use all the power he has to kill a death row prisoner. I find the scales of captains in themselves reasonable, yes, but I just don't find the scales of captains from soukyoku reasonable. The expression of soukyoku was much higher than such a simple killing tool than an item that could be compared to any captain at random, in my opinion. correct me if i remember correctly but wasn't it said that the person with the soukyoku would be the most powerful person in the SS? The fact that the tool that will make the strongest person in the SS is a simple captain's power contradicts the narrative for me.
Ok I’ll remove you from agree then? You’re rhetoric isn’t making much sense at all.
Maybe I'm wrong, but this event just didn't sit right in my head.
I think you’re very wrong and your logic is internally inconsistent, but either you’re not wording your point well or I’m getting ratiod by the language barrier cuz your English isn’t making much sense
