Another shot at Yggdrasil (God of War)

[Planck69]

I believe that he was using sarcasm. Based on your previous comment, it's not accurate to assume that the scan is definitive proof of the existence of the environment in question, since it's possible that the description of the environment is meant to be taken metaphorically.

Power to you, dudette. I'll wait for the other staff to comment.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Power to you, dudette. I'll wait for the other staff to comment.

No problems.

 

[KLOL506]

A structure is being bigger in size than 2-A is low 1-C, not bigger than low 2-C

Not how the tiering system works ATM brother.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Not how the tiering system works ATM brother.

Mate... I was not updated. Fine, already two girls above me killed me.

 

[KLOL506]

Alright, Planck, you maybe call me annoying girl, but why I can't say this is flowery language or metaphor?

On what planet is this flowery language? Why would it be flowery language given everything we're told about Yggdrasil?

 

[Planck69]

On what planet is this flowery language? Why would it be flowery language given everything we're told about Yggdrasil?

Nah KLOL, the cosmic tree that supports all of creation on its branches, transcends space and time and binds life and death to itself is a couple hundred yards across. Didn't you see the loading between realms?

 

[KLOL506]

Nah KLOL, the cosmic tree that supports all of creation on its branches, transcends space and time and binds life and death to itself is a couple hundred yards across. Didn't you see the loading between realms?

LOL

In all seriousness tho, the statement is very clearly in reference to the branches themselves, nothing to do with the environment.

 

[Planck69]

I know. But going back and forth on it felt like a waste of time. I disagree (and you too) and she thinks so. Best to just move on and see how others think.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Because it did not describe it directly rather metaphorically.

Unless you say that "like" is never declared as describing something metaphorically, so i can take your word for that.

 

[KLOL506]

So why, it could not mean that the author is using this description to convey a sense of vastness and otherworldliness to the reader?

Because it's not? It's only talking about the branches themselves, not that hard to grasp.

Because the way I understand the part is, it is describing a scene where Kratos is using a knife to remove a talisman in the shape of a wolf's head from a door. When he opens the door, he reveals a mysterious gateway to a strange environment that is metaphorically described (in the context, it said “like”) as a tree branch stretching out to infinity.

There is literally a tree branch right in that environment that they walk on friend. Nothing metaphorical about this. GoW doesn't work like that at all.

 

[KLOL506]

Because it did not describe it directly rather metaphorically.

I have no clue how you came to that conclusion TBF, there is nothing here that would indicate this to be a metaphor in the first place.

Unless you say that "like" is never declared as describing something metaphorically, so i can take your word for that.

Obviously, GoW doesn't deal with size descriptions in the metaphorical sense anyway. It likes to be direct about it most of the time.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Because it's not? It's only talking about the branches themselves, not that hard to grasp.


There is literally a tree branch right in that environment that they walk on friend. Nothing metaphorical about this. GoW doesn't work like that at all.

Any evidence or only this scan? Since you are now implying it's existence as true.

 

[Planck69]

"It's a metaphor" fails because the relevant portion (the resemblance to a tree) is literal. The infinity part isn't being referenced by the conjuction either so that doesn't factor in either.

And the scan is enough. I don't know why this is a fallback when it's such a straightforward statement anyway.

 

[ImmortalDread]

I have no clue how you came to that conclusion TBF, there is nothing here that would indicate this to be a metaphor in the first place.

It literally said "like". How is that not metaphor?

Obviously, GoW doesn't deal with size descriptions in the metaphorical sense anyway. It likes to be direct about it most of the time.

Why that? Now you are going to convince me why this verse get special treatment and all verses don't?

 

[Planck69]

It literally said "like". How is that not metaphor?

Do you know what a metaphor is? Legitimately, can you actually describe why this is metaphorical beyond "well, they used like"?

Why that? Now you are going to convince me why this verse get special treatment and all verses don't?

If another verse says "Like a crystal streching out to infinity" and they are walking on a crystal then it can be accepted. So long as this isn't contradicted or far beyond what showings said crystal has.

 

[ImmortalDread]

It can't even be contradicted since there is a single scan that mention it. Like

Alright, step by step, since it is literal, prove that this tree actually exist.

 

[KLOL506]

It can't even be contradicted since there is a single scan that mention it. Like

Alright, step by step, since it is literal, prove that this tree actually exist.

Are you actually being serious right now

That Tree is Yggdrasil itself. Literally why they travel to the Realm Between Realms to jump off to use the Unity Stone to get to the hidden Jotunheim temple.

Metaphors don't even use "like".

 

[Planck69]

Alright, step by step, since it is literal, prove that this tree actually exist.

....................?

 

[ImmortalDread]

May I see the evidence of that the tree in that scan implies Yggdrasil because I don't see any context behind it.

 

[ImmortalDread]

....................?

Alright I will respectfully watch it. Thanks for sharing.

 

[KLOL506]

May I see the evidence of that the tree in that scan implies Yggdrasil because I don't see any context behind it.

See the video Planck linked. That chapter scan is literally about Kratos, Atreus and Mimir jumping off of the edge with the Unity Stone in hand.

 

[Planck69]

I really woke up today and was asked if the tree we're arguing is infinite relative to the Nine Realms is the Yggdrasil......

 

[ImmortalDread]

Wait, does the video describe the part of the novel that Planck shared?

Mind anyone confirm that to me?

 

[Planck69]

Wait, does the video describe the part of the novel that Planck shared?

Mind anyone confirm that to me?

Yes. They went to the Yggdrasil to jump off with the Unity Stone to reach another branch and access the missing Jotunheim tower.

 

[Bobsican]

TBH this does sounds like Low 1-C with the current standards.

Mind you, I also think the standards should be made a bit stricter, but until then it should be fine.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Before I comment, but the moment he jumped is the same moment of branching part in the text?

Yes?

 

[KLOL506]

TBH this does sounds like Low 1-C with the current standards.

Mind you, I also think the standards should be made a bit stricter, but until then it should be fine.

IDK, without an actual, more direct size comparison like KH and Bayo, I'm not sold on making Yggdrasil Low 1-C.

 

[KLOL506]

Before I comment, but the moment he jumped is the same moment of branching part in the text?

Yes?

Just afterwards, yeah. Happens immediately after they get the talisman (Unity Stone in the game).

 

[Planck69]

Before I comment, but the moment he jumped is the same moment of branching part in the text?

Yes?

Yes. That part in the novel coincides with the video.

I really, really hope the next post won't be "but the branch they're on doesn't look infinite, but circular".

 

[Deagonx]

Metaphors don't even use "like".

Okay, but similes do. And similes are also figures of speech. I agree with Dread on the matter, that phrase does appear to be flowery language and I don't think it should be used in the manner being proposed.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Ya mate, you can hate me but it sounds metaphorical described. Sorry but I can't buy this.

 

[KLOL506]

Okay, but similes do. And similes are also figures of speech. I agree with Dread on the matter, that phrase does appear to be flowery language and I don't think it should be used in the manner being proposed.

Except, this isn't flowery language in the least bit for the reasons Planck and I have mentioned.

 

[Planck69]

Ya mate, you can hate me but it sounds metaphorical described. Sorry but I can't buy this.

I'm addressing your arguments not trying to convert you. So long as everything about my point has been made clear then I leave the rest to staff decision.

 

[KLOL506]

Ya mate, you can hate me but it sounds metaphorical described. Sorry but I can't buy this.

You do you I suppose. Staff will check over it later.

 

[KLOL506]

I don't care whether this qualifies for Tier 1 or not (IMHO it doesn't), but saying that the tree branches of the Yggdrasil stretching out to infinity is hyperbole or metaphorical is just sheer lunacy given the context of the tree, its purpose, and the story behind the entire Unity Stone debacle that Kratos, Atreus and Mimir have to go through. That's all I'll say regarding this manner.

 

[Planck69]

One more thing; the "It's a simile" also doesn't make sense. The tree branch exists physically and is "the strange environment" not just something compared to it.

 

[KLOL506]

One more thing; the "It's a simile" also doesn't make sense. The tree branch exists physically and is "the strange environment" not just something compared to it.

100% this. I don't get how people missed this bit.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

It can't even be contradicted since there is a single scan that mention it. Like

Alright, step by step, since it is literal, prove that this tree actually exist.

You seriously asked this question?

It's like asking to prove sky exists or ground exists.

I coughed my snot out violently when I read this.

 

[Planck69]

Anyway, as a reminder;

I have no horses in this race but I'll just summarize what we know about Yggdrasil;

• It is stated that its every strand transcends space and time.
• It holds all of the Nine Realms on its branches and said realms are space-time continuums/planes of existence.
• It exists in the Realm Between Realms, which exists outside the Nine Realms and is the expanse in which Yggdrasil exists.
• The branches from the perspective of the Realm Between Realms stretch unto infinity, relative to the World Tree itself.
• It contains the Ginnungagap, the void from which Ymir sprung and in which he existed. Said being's body eventually became the Nine Realms.
• Nothing that affects the realms has ever affected the World Tree.

That's the tier relevant information about it. What this amounts to is up to people's evaluation.

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What do you think?

 

[KLOL506]

Anyway, I'll take a crack at this.

The Realm Between Realms is described as the space that exists outside/between all the other realms, and the realms are different dimensions with their own time flow/axis in regards to the Yggdrasil existing inside the Realm Between Realms.

The Realm Between Realms is irrelevant.

Therefore, the space of the Realm Between Realms that contains the realms could be something akin to a higher-dimensional plane with an additional axis (The Yggdrasil within the Realm Between Realms is already a higher dimensional structure that transcends spacetime).

That only grants Yggdrasil higher-dimensional existence at the bare minimum, it's too vague to imply Low 1-C without a proper blatant size comparison stuff. Even the "stretching to infinity" statement doesn't mean much other than just mere encompassment, and even the latter (Tier 1 and its standards) will undergo some revisions so might as well leave it altogether. It's worthless.

We also know that the Realm Between Realms' existence should also be bound to Yggdrasil just like everything else in all of creation, considering all there was before the realms even existed were Ginnungagap and the primordial forces of ice and fire.

Realm Between Realms is not stated to be bound to Yggdrasil's existence, it isn't even mentioned by Freya at all. Nobody ever makes mention of that void.

Edit: Ragnarok was made from the power that Surtr absorbed from Spark of the World, which gave birth the first Realms; this would include the Realm Between Realms, which fits considering Spark of the World exists outside the realms in the place where Muspelheim and Niflheim meet, AKA Ginnungagap, which in RL norse myths is located in the middle of the two, which is also mentioned in the game.

Once again, Realm Between Realms and Ginnungagap are not the one and the same void. Ginnungagap is the Spark of the World. None of this is relevant to the Tier 1 scaling.

Odin slayed Ymir, a being who came directly from the union of Muspelheim and Niflheim (Ginnungagap/Spark of the World).

Not really sure how this factors in to the Low 1-C stuff one bit.

Anyway, the reasonings from my perspective are not sufficient enough for a Low 1-C rating in the least bit. Put me up for Disagree.