Another shot at Yggdrasil (God of War)

[ImmortalDread]

I concur with the upgrade thread anyway.

However, I do not agree with the standards employed, as the reason only two verses were barely accepted
is the presence of a 2-A cosmology and size comparison.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I concur with the upgrade thread anyway.

However, I do not agree with the standards employed, as the reason only two verses were barely accepted
is the presence of a 2-A cosmology and size comparison.

And your perception that a 2-A cosmology is needed is now based solely on incredulity, because you do not need one.

 

[ImmortalDread]

And your perception that a 2-A cosmology is needed is now based solely on incredulity, because you do not need one.

I got told otherwise but thanks for the comment. Tier 2 needs a fix somehow to make it at least reasonable.

 

[ShionAH]

Is this happening or nah?

 

[ImmortalDread]

Is this happening or nah?

Wait, is that a previous rejected thread?

 

[ShionAH]

Wait, is that a previous rejected thread?

https://vsbattles.com/threads/yggdrasils-size-god-of-war.147256/

 

[ImmortalDread]

The thread is about 2-A what you linked, we are discussing about low 1-C

 

[ShionAH]

The thread is about 2-A what you linked, we are discussing about low 1-C

Alright both of then are rejected right?

 

[ImmortalDread]

Not sure, the thread is closed when @Planck69 and @KLOL506 were memeing about it.

 

[Planck69]

I have no horses in this race but I'll just summarize what we know about Yggdrasil;

• It is stated that its every strand transcends space and time.
• It holds all of the Nine Realms on its branches and said realms are space-time continuums/planes of existence.
• It exists in the Realm Between Realms, which exists outside the Nine Realms and is the expanse in which Yggdrasil exists.
• The branches from the perspective of the Realm Between Realms stretch unto infinity, relative to the World Tree itself.
• It contains the Ginnungagap, the void from which Ymir sprung and in which he existed. Said being's body eventually became the Nine Realms.
• Nothing that affects the realms has ever affected the World Tree.

That's the tier relevant information about it. What this amounts to is up to people's evaluation.

 

[ImmortalDread]

There is nothing about the size comparison, not sure why it should be low 1-C, let alone 2-A. Or I am missing something?

 

[Planck69]

There is nothing about the size comparison, not sure why it should be low 1-C, let alone 2-A. Or I am missing something?

The realms physically exist atop the branches as objects, which are in turn infinitely long relative to the World Tree, seeing as they go on for that length relative to the void in which the Nine Realms exist.

 

[ImmortalDread]

The realms physically exist atop the branches as objects, which are in turn infinitely long relative to the World Tree, seeing as they go on for that length relative to the void in which the Nine Realms exist.

Is it always infinite or expanding in that direction?

 

[Planck69]

Is it always infinite or expanding in that direction?

They stretch unto infinity in the sense of length not expansion. They do have side branches though, that grow and can weigh down the main branches.

 

[ImmortalDread]

They were never infinite to begin with, I assume? They only stretch unto infinity in the sense of range, right?

 

[Planck69]

They were never infinite to begin with, I assume? They only stretch unto infinity in the sense of range, right?

What are you talking about? The Yggdrasil has always been there.

And what does "in the sense of range" mean? They're that long physically. I dunno how else you could take.

 

[ImmortalDread]

What are you talking about? The Yggdrasil has always been there.

I assumed, I never said they are not. That's why I am asking before I misunderstand it. So ya, 2-A is valid, but where is low 1-C argument coming from?

 

[Planck69]

I assumed, I never said they are not. That's why I am asking before I misunderstand it. So ya, 2-A is valid, but where is low 1-C argument coming from?

Apparently, it's infinite in respect to an already 4-dimensional space-time? I'm not really arguing for or against it. Just wanting to get those standards cleared up.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Apparently, it's infinite in respect to an already 4-dimensional space-time? I'm not really arguing for or against it. Just wanting to get those standards cleared up.

Wait, it is infinite because of standards, or it is stated to be one?

 

[Planck69]

Wait, it is infinite because of standards, or it is stated to be one?

Space-time continuums are infinite 4-dimensional structures by default. At least, infinite temporally.

 

[Planck69]

And to clear up;

Yes, it technically means that any number of universes are equivalent to the same level of power needed to affect. Yes, the tier needs an overhaul or revision.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Space-time continuums are infinite 4-dimensional structures by default. At least, infinite temporally.

Does not mean the verse now gets 2-A out of it, brother

 

[ImmortalDread]

And to clear up;

Yes, it technically means that any number of universes are equivalent to the same level of power needed to affect. Yes, the tier needs an overhaul or revision.

Good morning, it was needed long ago, hence I mentioned it here once again.

 

[Planck69]

Does not mean the verse now gets 2-A out of it, brother

......? What does this even mean? All space-time continuums on the site are assumed to be infinite temporally. The Yggdrasil renders them as finite objects in comparison to its infinitely long branches.

 

[ImmortalDread]

......? What does this even mean? All space-time continuums on the site are assumed to be infinite temporally. The Yggdrasil renders them as finite objects in comparison to its infinitely long branches.

Can you show me the evidences or describe it more? It sounds promising.

 

[Lilixa]

fun fact : GoW Norse actually has 2-A tier statement based on Card game (Secondary Canon) but the consensus here it got retconned.

 

[Planck69]

Can you show me the evidences or describe it more? It sounds promising.

The finite object part is self explanatory, they're literally just sitting on the branches.

The "stretch unto infinity" comes from the novels.

“Lift me up to see it,” Mimir said.

Kratos placed Mimir’s eye squarely before it.

“The talisman! I suspect we’ll be needing that,” Mimir said.

Using his knife, Kratos pried the talisman in the form of a carved wolf’s head from its socket on the door. He swung open the door to reveal a mystic gateway to a strange environment, like a tree branch stretching out to infinity.

“There it is! We’ve got it!” Atreus said.

“The panel in Odin’s library showed him holding this,” Kratos said.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Alright, Planck, you maybe call me annoying girl, but why I can't say this is flowery language or metaphor?

 

[Robo432343]

why is it flowery language or a metaphor
oh wait i can see it being a metaphor coz the word like is being used

 

[ImmortalDread]

It says

Using his knife, Kratos pried the talisman in the form of a carved wolf’s head from its socket on the door. He swung open the door to reveal a mystic gateway to a strange environment, like a tree branch stretching out to infinity.

So ya, it is metaphoric described.

 

[Planck69]

Alright, Planck, you maybe call me annoying girl, but why I can't say this is flowery language or metaphor?

Why would it be? It's delivered by an omniscient narrator in the most neutral tone possible. There's not even a modifier like "nearly", "nigh-", "almost" etc.

The default assumption of a statement isn't that it's flowery language (especially not a metaphor, I don't even know what this would be a metaphor for). Now, if it were directly denied or contradicted then sure but nothing in the novel does so and it's repeated that all the realms are just supported by the branches.

 

[Planck69]

It says

So ya, it is metaphoric described.

That's in reference to the environment itself, which while resembling a branch of a tree, isn't the same due to being mired in crystal growths and strange plant life.

Of course, you're welcome to think of it as such. I really don't care either way.

 

[ImmortalDread]

So why, it could not mean that the author is using this description to convey a sense of vastness and otherworldliness to the reader?

 

[ImmortalDread]

Because the way I understand the part is, it is describing a scene where Kratos is using a knife to remove a talisman in the shape of a wolf's head from a door. When he opens the door, he reveals a mysterious gateway to a strange environment that is metaphorically described (in the context, it said “like”) as a tree branch stretching out to infinity.

 

[Planck69]

Because it is a tree branch that they are on, that stretches unto infinity. It's not even otherworldly or new to either us or the characters anymore, they've realm travelled liberally by now.


But again, power to you if you think it's a metaphor. I can't be arsed to go back and forth on this.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Is it a single scan that describes that way?

 

[Planck69]

Is it a single scan that describes that way?

Yes, since the Yggdrasil doesn't get much focus on it.

Well, that and its strands transcend space-time but that on its own isn't much without contextual support.

 

[Robo432343]

i mean if we ask the author what the transcending spacetime part means, would that do anything

 

[Planck69]

i mean if we ask the author what the transcending spacetime part means, would that do anything

We're not allowed to directly ask authors and developers questions related to character statistics.

 

[ImmortalDread]

We're not allowed to directly ask authors and developers questions related to character statistics.

I believe that he was using sarcasm. Based on your previous comment, it's not accurate to assume that the scan is definitive proof of the existence of the environment in question, since it's possible that the description of the environment is meant to be taken metaphorically.