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Anime vs Comics: The Most Clever Man

With SBA, yes, I believe he'd use any means possible

Ok, Joker venom in gas form released prior cause of prep, Batman has gas mask, Batman is hidden in the smoke, K.O.
 
Not to mention, Kakyoin barely moves while using his radius splash, he wont be tripping any traps, implying HG doesnt sense any traps or anything wrong with the surroundings and trip them itself to prevent kak from getting harmed or giving Kak an awareness of said traps, because mind you, Kak uses HG to do that quite a lot and due to prior knowledge should be aware of the possibility of traps.
 
He did one attack and died immediately after, what I was arguing is whether or not Kakyoins condition would affect his proficency with his stand, which is clearly the case. I know the only reason he hit the clock was to warn Joesph. Thats the point though that's all he could've done. And a big point I wanna point out with the 20 meter is that at no point after the time stop did the 20 meter activate even though Kakyoin was still alive, because Kakyoin was seriously injured and lost focus.
 
>He did one attack and died immediately after, what I was arguing is whether or not Kakyoins condition would affect his proficency with his stand, which is clearly the case. I know the only reason he hit the clock was to warn Joesph.

He did one attack after spending like a minute critically injured trying to figure out what happened, and when he figured it out he summoned HG and attacked just fine, then he died within the same thought, if anything that proves he can use HG just fine up uintill he literally died. His profiency didnt decrease in the slightest. We see it summon, fire the emerald splash and blow the face off a giant clock, assuming his profiency decreased is only a baseless asumption as from what we see, it didnt, it still held its power and accuracy and he summoned it just fine to do said accurate power attack on the first try with no failure. What we see directly contradicts your claim.

>Thats the point though that's all he could've done. And a big point I wanna point out with the 20 meter is that at no point after the time stop did the 20 meter activate even though Kakyoin was still alive, because Kakyoin was seriously injured and lost focus.

What? No it wasnt, he could have fired it at Dio if he wanted, but he didnt, he literally says himself he has to let Joseph know, so he did that instead, not because it was the only thing he could have done but because it was the best thing he should have done, which he did. The 20m emerald splash actually is still active after the time sto, it's just that the tendrils were destroyed within the timestop and fell to the ground, which we even get a nice slow mo of it.
 
When DIO cut the lines they should've activated, Kakyoin getting mortally wounded stopped that not just because he needed to tell Joesph about the ability but because he was on the verge of dying. Which again makes it very clear that Kakyoin getting injured like that put a curb on his ability to effectively use his stand. He is not gonna be able to effectively use all of HG's abilities if he's on his death bed or passing out from a toxin.

What I'm saying is that Kakyoin getting injured like that will have a serious effect on his abilites, and whether or not he can use all of them to their fullest.
 
>When DIO cut the lines they should've activated, Kakyoin getting mortally wounded stopped that not just because he needed to tell Joesph about the ability but because he was on the verge of dying.

Kakyoin specifically makes note they should have activated himself but didnt because there wasny movement sensed when they were tripped, it's kinda outright implied its because of them getting tripped in time stop all at once at the same time with no time at all not because they werent tripped at all.

>Which again makes it very clear that Kakyoin getting injured like that put a curb on his ability to effectively use his stand. He is not gonna be able to effectively use all of HG's abilities if he's on his death bed or passing out from a toxin.

It only effected him, at least in the manga, when he was literally less then a second away from dying and he seemingly deactvated HG himself, prior to literally dying he had no issue and the wires not getting tripped was attributed to time stop and no delay not his injury. And as for the latter, not true, as long as HG is summoned prior to knock out, it will remain, if the trip wires were set up, even after getting knocked out the wires should stay and function, we know Kak can do this because of Death 13, where upon getting knocked out HG stayed active (and he hid him in the ground).

>What I'm saying is that Kakyoin getting injured like that will have a serious effect on his abilites, and whether or not he can use all of them to their fullest.

Yes but just because you say that doesnt mean its actually true.
 
Doesn't matter because again they were tripped, and he felt it them being touched and even says it should attack when touched. DIO Donuting him stopped that from happening. https://********.org/chapter/23767/7

On the sleep thing

A. Events in later parts make it very clear thats a stand specific ability for Death 13

B. Even if it weren't HG will be effectively blind and deaf.

C. We've never seen him using the 20m while asleep.

D. We never saw Hierophant have any effect on the real world in that fight. It was only in the dream world that he could really do anything.

Kakyoin isn't gonna be zipping. around like spiderman or using the 20 meter if he's seriously injured like that. The same thing happened to other stand users who critically injured like he was.
 
I wonder how much of this conversation pertains to Kakyoin dying of the Joker venom gas and Kakyoin's stand having trouble finding Batman through the smoke.
 
Yeah like I said Batman can just do that, comfortably within a vechicle no less. Post Flashpoint Batman's profile needs an update because its clearly lacking some equipment and abilities as well.
 
It does matter because Kakyoin says himself, the wires never tripped, they were all destroyed instantly, all at once, and never sensed Dio touch them in the first place to attack them, he says as much himself. Dio goreing him stopped him from moving yeah, he couldnt even talk, his Stand though was just fine and could still move and talk and the tripwires were there still just all destroyed which he explicitly states himself.

>A. Events in later parts make it very clear thats a stand specific ability for Death 13

Death 13 specifically explains that as long as your Stand was active before entering the dream world, it would remain active, Kakyoin confirms this saying he upon getting knocked out by pol, didnt deactive his stand or ability in the real world but instead hid it underground so the crusaders and mannish boy wouldnt notice, so when he finally got pulled into death 13's world, h'd have the upper hand as he can bypass Death 13's rule of no stands because his stand was already summoned.

>B. Even if it weren't HG will be effectively blind and deaf.

Kakyoin specifically states that he hid HG inside the earth when he got knocked out and HG remained active throughout the entire time he was knocked out in the real world while kak himself was in the dream world, HG being blind or deaf doesnt matter because of the trip wires, it can sense any movement through those so it not being able to see doesnt matter.

>We've never seen him using the 20m while asleep.

We've never seen him do it before he dies too, bad comparison there mate, and as long as the wires are previously set up, it aint gonna stop HG from activating the wires as we know, for a fact, that HG can remain active and follow a command while Kak is asleep.

> We never saw Hierophant have any effect on the real world in that fight. It was only in the dream world that he could really do anything.

Probably because HG wasnt even trying to do anything with the real world? He was busy handling Death 13 in the dream world, doesnt change the fact the Kakyoin specifically states that he kept HG active upon getting knocked out and hid HG underground so the crusaders wouldnt notice it was still active. If HG can remain active even while he's knocked out, as long as the wires are already set up, they'd still trip even if Kak is asleep.

>Kakyoin isn't gonna be zipping. around like spiderman or using the 20 meter if he's seriously injured like that. The same thing happened to other stand users who critically injured like he was.

Obviously not zipping around (although his stand still could due to range), he himself cant move, but the emerald splash and 20m is fair game still. I can think of multiple users who could still function fine while literally dying. Example, Bruno, he didnt stop fighting and could use SF just fine and only stopped when he straight up died.
 
Also all this assumes Bats can even land such an injury through HG's sensing, which will alert kak of traps and the like as well and any out of place item. And he can shoot down any projectile as well, plus 20m isnt 20m, it's hundreds given Kak's prep.
 
So, all the ones who have voted for Kakyoin, what's your reasoning for voting for him when, because of prep, Batman has already alter the battlefield to his extreme advantage?
 
Chariot190 said:
Also all this assumes Bats can even land such an injury through HG's sensing, which will alert kak of traps and the like as well and any out of place item. And he can shoot down any projectile as well, plus 20m isnt 20m, it's hundreds given Kak's prep.
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Because of prep, Batman has already altered the battle field to have Joker Venom gas with a gas mask on. Even if that not allowed, Batman can just throw a glass container of Joker Gas at Kakyoin, it breaks and the heavy gas fills the field, while Batman has a gas mask on.
 
For the same reason? Kakyoin would have like a 400 meter radius emerlad splash, perfected to such a degree, that Kakyoin would be aware of any and all traps, alterations, out of place items and weapons, landmines, chemicals, etc and could use his noncorporality to safely take those traps out, all while Bats cant move even an inch and if he does it would cause him to be hit with a dozen or so invisible projectiles that can harm him drastically, and said tripwires are invisible as well.

Im pretty sure thats why theres votes for him.
 
Chariot190 said:
For the same reason? Kakyoin would have like a 400 meter radius emerlad splash, perfected to such a degree, that Kakyoin would be aware of any and all traps, alterations, out of place items and weapons, landmines, chemicals, etc and could use his noncorporality to safely take those traps out, all while Bats cant move even an inch and if he does it would cause him to be hit with a dozen or so invisible projectiles that can harm him drastically, and said tripwires are invisible as well.

Im pretty sure thats why theres votes for him.
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How does Kakyoin take out gas?
 
Destroying and tripping are the same.

He literally used it in these panels when DIO tripped these off, https://********.org/chapter/23767/6 https://********.org/chapter/23767/5

We never saw Hierophant fight in the real world while its user was unconcious.

Can we stop with this, because its may not even be relevant to the fight at hand atm if the opponent can just fly above lines in their vtol/batplane
 
By using his noncorporality to safely get rid of the thing that would release said gas? Or moving while avoiding other traps due to the fact he'd know there location, plus I doubt that the gas would emit and cover like at least a half km, which is Kakyoin's standard range.

Or if he's released via a projectile, shoot said projectile down way before it comes close to him.

He can even make Bats susceptible to it by destroying any gasmask he may have via 400m long invisible 8-C tendrils.
 
JohnConquest1 said:
Destroying and tripping are the same.
He literally used it in these panels when DIO tripped these off, https://********.org/chapter/23767/6 https://********.org/chapter/23767/5

We never Hierophant fight in the real world while its user was unconcious.

Can we stop with this, because its may not even be relevant to the fight at hand atm if the opponent can just fly above lines in their vtol/batplane
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Ok so you're just gonna ignore Kakyoin's very own explanation in that the the wires never actually felt Dio touch them so they never tripped? Those panels take place in real time, not stopped time, which is how kak explained that the wires never picked up on any sensations thus never activated.

We dont need to see it fight, we know it can, we know it can follow commands given prior to kak being knocked out and we know it can remain active for literal hours after kak is knocked out just fine, if the tripwires are already set up prior, kak getting knocked out isnt going to stop the tripires from activating.

And then what? Kak outranges that batplane's 8-C artillery if im not wrong, doing that would make it impossible to even hit kak because he'd have such a ludicrous amount of time to dodge if he's out of the maximum emerald splash range, which is 400 meters and then some.
 
Come on dude lets not do this :(

https://********.org/chapter/23768/7

How is Kakyoin gonna give HG commands when he's asleep and doesn't even know what hes attacking in the real world? He'd be as clueless as Fugo was in the Man in the Mirror fight after being brought into the mirror world, if not even more so.

I bring up the plane because its another way he can just mass drop toxins or chemicals previously mentioned above.
 
Chariot190 said:
By using his noncorporality to safely get rid of the thing that would release said gas? Or moving while avoiding other traps due to the fact he'd know there location, plus I doubt that the gas would emit and cover like at least a half km, which is Kakyoin's standard range.

Or if he's released via a projectile, shoot said projectile down way before it comes close to him.

He can even make Bats susceptible to it by destroying any gasmask he may have via 400m long invisible 8-C tendrils.
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1. Batman's gas mask isn't very noticeable so I doubt Kakyoin would notice Batman is wearing one.

2. Batman can disguise the gas container into something Kakyoin wouldn't notice as something he shouldn't destroy. Batman can have the container look like bomb and Kakyoin would destroy it to be sure. Besides, the last thing anyone suspects of Batman doing is using Joker Gas, even though in this case, Batman would with the will to kill and knowing the opponent he is up against, he would need to go that far.

3. There are tons of illegal war gas that can blast in a radius of a kilometer. Even if it's not that big of a range, it would still go past 20m.

4. Batman can very well set the traps up prior as a distraction as he throws the bomb-looking, gas filled container at Kakyoin. Batman is a master strategist.
 
JohnConquest1 said:
Come on dude lets not do this :(
https://********.org/chapter/23768/7

How is Kakyoin gonna give HG commands when he's asleep and doesn't even know what hes attacking in the real world? He'd be as clueless as Fugo was in the Man in the Mirror fight after being brought into the mirror world, if not even more so.

I bring up the plane because its another way he can just mass drop toxins or chemicals previously mentioned above.
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Yes and if you actually read what Kak says I can sense any movement within Hierophant Green's web but Dio managed to break the entire web simutaneously, how! Not one strand at a time but all simultaneously, not even a ten-thousandth of a second difference, how did he destroy a 20 meter radius in less then an instant, how! Simultaneously... Not even a slight delay in time.

He literally said that the wires didnt sense Dio touch it and were all destroyed at the same time, the tripwires activate upon sensation but if if the trip wires were all destroyed instantly, without the time needed to even sense said movement, they obviousy wouldnt fire which is kinda exactly what Kak's saying.

>1. Batman's gas mask isn't very noticeable so I doubt Kakyoin would notice Batman is wearing one.

The hell do you mean? It's very noticeable, it covers his entire face.

>2. Batman can disguise the gas container into something Kakyoin wouldn't notice as something he shouldn't destroy. Batman can have the container look like bomb and Kakyoin would destroy it to be sure. Besides, the last thing anyone suspects of Batman doing is using Joker Gas, even though in this case, Batman would with the will to kill and knowing the opponent he is up against, he would need to go that far.

Hierophant Green can check inside the containers too, he has prior knowledge, he knows how smart Bats kinda is and Kak is known for checking inside of things throughly, Batman wouldnt use such an out of character thing anyway against a character that probably wouldnt even be trying to kill Bats thus wouldnt force Bats to go complete 180, Kak and Bats are willing to kill but that doesnt mean both are instantly at that point from the get go.

>3. There are tons of illegal war gas that can blast in a radius of a kilometer. Even if it's not that big of a range, it would still go past 20m.

Yeah, with an absolute ******* massive amount of it and literal huge bombs, none of which Bat can exactly attempt to hide. 20m is Kak with like one minute of prep, he has a day here, it's gonna be likely at least his maximum range, which is over 400 meters at minimum.

>4. Batman can very well set the traps up prior as a distraction as he throws the bomb-looking, gas filled container at Kakyoin. Batman is a master strategist.

Uh? So? That wont stop the container from being instantly shot down, or bats being shot from trying tomove his arm to throw it, or shoot it at Kak, or from the projectile tripping a wire while in motion, or, etc. And traps wont stop HG from doing anything, it can take out multiple traps at once from vast distances due to it's huge range and the facte it's already spread out in the form of trip wires.


Also I severly doubt Bats can set up and gather all this that fast, he can definitely do a chunk of this but he aint doing everything said here, especially getting ahold of huge nuke like bioweapons within 24 hours all while setting up thousands of traps, etc.
 
Actually given the range, what's stopping HG from just restricting Bats' movements via tendrils?
 
Chariot190 said:
Yes and if you actually read what Kak says I can sense any movement within Hierophant Green's web but Dio managed to break the entire web simutaneously, how! Not one strand at a time but all simultaneously, not even a ten-thousandth of a second difference, how did he destroy a 20 meter radius in less then an instant, how! Simultaneously... Not even a slight delay in time.
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I like to point out that all this talked about Kakyoin's sensing abilities is for not as Batman's stealth is so good, Superman with all his OP senses still can get the drop on by Batman.

>1. Batman's gas mask isn't very noticeable so I doubt Kakyoin would notice Batman is wearing one.

The hell do you mean? It's very noticeable, it covers his entire face.
He has a lot of different gas mask, including glass or plastic. Kakyoin wouldn't see any glare cause this fight takes place at night so the gas mask would blend in.

>2. Batman can disguise the gas container into something Kakyoin wouldn't notice as something he shouldn't destroy. Batman can have the container look like bomb and Kakyoin would destroy it to be sure. Besides, the last thing anyone suspects of Batman doing is using Joker Gas, even though in this case, Batman would with the will to kill and knowing the opponent he is up against, he would need to go that far.

Hierophant Green can check inside the containers too, he has prior knowledge, he knows how smart Bats kinda is and Kak is known for checking inside of things throughly, Batman wouldnt use such an out of character thing anyway against a character that probably wouldnt even be trying to kill Bats thus wouldnt force Bats to go complete 180, Kak and Bats are willing to kill but that doesnt mean both are instantly at that point from the get go.
That's a NLF for you to say that Kakyoin can out plan the Batman and he would guess at the spur of the moment that it's wasn't actually a bomb. Batman has in fact in character using explosive device. Anyone who knows Batman would guess it was actually a bomb. And isn't Kakyoin trying to kill Batman? If you are claiming Kakyoin knows so much about Batman, then it's the same way for Batman knowing Kakyoin. Kakyoin is not at an advantage when it comes to knowledge.

>3. There are tons of illegal war gas that can blast in a radius of a kilometer. Even if it's not that big of a range, it would still go past 20m.

Yeah, with an absolute ******* massive amount of it and literal huge bombs, none of which Bat can exactly attempt to hide. 20m is Kak with like one minute of prep, he has a day here, it's gonna be likely at least his maximum range, which is over 400 meters at minimum.
Under Kakyoin's feet, gas bomb. Doesn't work, throw a gas bomb. Doesn't work, drop a payload from the Batwing while the first 2 attempts fail. Objection: throw as much things at Kakyoin at once and find an opening as Kakyoin is dealing with things from every direction and while he is panicking cause he can't do anything to the gas as it's released.

>4. Batman can very well set the traps up prior as a distraction as he throws the bomb-looking, gas filled container at Kakyoin. Batman is a master strategist.

Uh? So? That wont stop the container from being instantly shot down, or bats being shot from trying tomove his arm to throw it, or shoot it at Kak, or from the projectile tripping a wire while in motion, or, etc. And traps wont stop HG from doing anything, it can take out multiple traps at once from vast distances due to it's huge range and the facte it's already spread out in the form of trip wires.
What does "shot down" mean?! Shot down means the container is destroyed and the gas is released everywhere! And he do nothing about the airborn gas. And Wayne can set up large fans from outside Kakyoin's reach to blow the gas in his direction.

Also I severly doubt Bats can set up and gather all this that fast, he can definitely do a chunk of this but he aint doing everything said here, especially getting ahold of huge nuke like bioweapons within 24 hours all while setting up thousands of traps, etc.

He's done it before (as in, make large preparations). And Batman's basics are alway prepared, unless he has a create something new.
 
"The web attacks you when you touch it." He only talked about not sensing DIOs movement in the web, not about DIO breaking the web. As Elixir also mentioned, Batman had no issues getting around someone like Superman's senses either.

Kakyoin shrinking Hierophant down to check equipment will leave him open to counter attack, even if he destroys the bomb he's attacking it's still nerve gas.

Kakyoin is gonna have a hard time seeing a mask at night on someone whose wearing all black and in a vehicle.

Willing to kill, Batman is probably going to come to the conclusion mid prep that this is gonna be one of his only options to win, just the same as we are here, dude is the second smartest person on his earth for a reason.

The fact that Batman is likely gonna start in his VTOL/Batwing, he would have to focus on that first with the tendrils
 
Setting up the fans would be like: "Hey, company. My name is Bruce Wayne. You know, the billionaire that bleeds money. If you can set up your huge fans at this location today, I'll guarantee your business doesn't go into bankruptcy."
 
>I like to point out that all this talked about Kakyoin's sensing abilities is for not as Batman's stealth is so good, Superman with all his OP senses still can get the drop on by Batman.

So? This isnt about sensing, it's a matter of if Bats moves in the slightest and even slightly touches the millions of tripwires that cover the ground, sky, etc then he's getting slammed with dozens of 8-C projectiles, and then more, and more, etc

>He has a lot of different gas mask, including glass or plastic. Kakyoin wouldn't see any glare cause this fight takes place at night so the gas mask would blend in.

Ignoring the fact that the average human could make out such things at night at these distances, he can see through HG's eyes.

>That's a NLF for you to say that Kakyoin can out plan the Batman and he would guess at the spur of the moment that it's wasn't actually a bomb. Batman has in fact in character using explosive device. Anyone who knows Batman would guess it was actually a bomb. And isn't Kakyoin trying to kill Batman? If you are claiming Kakyoin knows so much about Batman, then it's the same way for Batman knowing Kakyoin. Kakyoin is not at an advantage when it comes to knowledge.

And it's a strawman for you to accuse me of a claim I never made, I never said he could outplan Bats so back up there. He doesnt need to guess, he has numerous tripwires placed, all over the area, he can pick up that a bomb is there and then simply check it, see what it is, which he likely would due to his cautious nature, see what it actually is, then render it void. Youre ignoring Kakyoin has an innumerable amount of tripwires set up over likely hundreds of meters, if there's anything out of place he can check it, see what it is, then render it useless, and no, this wouldnt make him distracted, it's called multi-tasking and given that his Stand is essentially everywhere at once in this fight, it's a none issue. Bats and Kak are willing to kill, but they arent bloodlusted, learn the diference, they arent going to break character or do things they nnever normally would and they arent out for blood if not need be. It isnt a matter of Kak being at an advantage when it comes to prir knowledge, who both have the same amount on each other, just that his ability shuts down most of what Batman can do in this key and Bats cant actually interact with HG in the slightest.

>Under Kakyoin's feet, gas bomb. Doesn't work, throw a gas bomb. Doesn't work, drop a payload from the Batwing while the first 2 attempts fail. Objection: throw as much things at Kakyoin at once and find an opening as Kakyoin is dealing with things from every direction and while he is panicking cause he can't do anything to the gas as it's released.

Under Kakyoin's feet? In the same line of logic, tripwire under Batman's feet. Throwing a gas bomb wont work, Batman probably wouldnt even be able to move his arm to do the throwing motion without getting smacked by an emerald splash. In fact if either of the first two are done Bats already lost the match, he'd of tripped the wires and due to a chain reaction, get hit with hundreds of Emerald Splashes. Drop a payload? That would trip the wires as well, resulting in an inconclusive at best, implying Kak doesnt then immediatly put two and two together and destroy Bats hypothetical gasmask with invisible tendrils Bats cant dodge or see that are around him in all directions. Or simply restrict his movement to stop that from happening.

>What does "shot down" mean?! Shot down means the container is destroyed and the gas is released everywhere! And he do nothing about the airborn gas. And Wayne can set up large fans from outside Kakyoin's reach to blow the gas in his direction.

It means shot down the moment he tries to throw it, causing it to blow up in his face. And what's stopping kak from just moving away from the air direction, given unlike Bats, he can spiderman all over. Plus I honestly dont think there even are fans that can blow things from over 400+ meters away, which is Kak's minimum range.

>He's done it before (as in, make large preparations). And Batman's basics are alway prepared, unless he has a create something new.

Of course he can make large prepartions, but not in the manner you're saying and never with only a day to do so.

>"The web attacks you when you touch it." He only talked about not sensing DIOs movement in the web, not about DIO breaking the web. As Elixir also mentioned, Batman had no issues getting around someone like Superman's senses either.

Yeah, he never sensed Dio's movements and we know the tripwires only activate when they sense movement, now do the math. Batman's gonna have issues getting around this though, not because of it sensing him but because he literally cant move more then like a foot without tripping it.

>Kakyoin shrinking Hierophant down to check equipment will leave him open to counter attack, even if he destroys the bomb he's attacking it's still nerve gas.

I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about the times Kakyoin extensively searches the area for anything even slightly off, such an example is Strength, he even checked the cracks and the thin spaces where metal connects, he checked literally every inch. And he doesnt need to shrink, HG has intangibility. Hell he was gonna use intangibility in your own exaple but being small takes up to much stand energy and the veins were to think to phase through at that size.

>Kakyoin is gonna have a hard time seeing a mask at night on someone whose wearing all black and in a vehicle.

So we're assuming he starts in a vehicle now, why, if his vehicles are above 8-C then they're automatically forfeit, not that it matters, due to the size they'd probably trip hundreds of wires the moment it moves, which results in the vehicles and bats being shot full of numerous emerald splashes. Plus if he starts within a vehicle, Kaks probably gonna phase HG into it to restrict his movement or get a closer look at what he's doing exactly.

>Willing to kill, Batman is probably going to come to the conclusion mid prep that this is gonna be one of his only options to win, just the same as we are here, dude is the second smartest person on his earth for a reason.

Willing to kill doesnt mean out of character, otherwise Kak would just possess the second the match starts and have Bats off himself, which is vastly out of character for him and he'd never do that. Also not even, it seems none of you can actually come to a conclusion on what Bats would do, each post is something new, and both f you are talking about Bats doing different things and leading with different things meaning it very clearly aint as set in stone as you think, im aware how smart he is, he's smarter then kak certainly by a huge amount but him being smart doesnt mean he can stop the nigh-omnipresent wires and sensors that activate upon feeling something to shoot dozens of projectiles along with the tendrils surrounding the entire location that can act independtly along with said range being like 400+meters in all directions.

>The fact that Batman is likely gonna start in his VTOL/Batwing, he would have to focus on that first with the tendrils

He wouldnt even need to, the moment that thing moves it's gonna activate numerous wires, it's gonna end up exploding the moment it starts to move. And he could just phase in it and restrict Bats' movement like he did with Jotaro (and bats lacks the lifting strength to break out).

I should make mention that Bats doesnt even need to trip the wires to activate the emerald splashes, that's when it's semi-automatic, Kak can manually force it to fire from all directions like he did moments before Dio stopped time, who would of been smacked from all directions if he didnt stop time.
 
Chariot190 said:
>I like to point out that all this talked about Kakyoin's sensing abilities is for not as Batman's stealth is so good, Superman with all his OP senses still can get the drop on by Batman.

So? This isnt about sensing, it's a matter of if Bats moves in the slightest and even slightly touches the millions of tripwires that cover the ground, sky, etc then he's getting slammed with dozens of 8-C projectiles, and then more, and more, etc
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This doesn't even make sense. If both combatants had 24 hours of prep time and then arrived on the battlefield, how did Batman get into that spot where he can't even move in the slightest? How did he get in there?
 
Beats me but that's how the Radius Emerald Splash works, it restricts movements and if you do move you essentially get smacked in the face by a dozen or so 8-C projectiles, and it can snowball because if you move to avoid those you'll set off even more, and the more and eventually youre getting floored by a shit ton of 8-C attacks coming all directions that are invisible as well.

If starting distance is 20 meters then he starts off in the attack, kinda like Dio did, but Dio only had to deal with 20m emerald splash that was only set up in like a minute or two while being chased by Dio himself, and Dio only escaped because time stop, he was almost pumped full of holes.
 
"As Hierophant Green's original appearance is not humanoid, but instead just a group of connected membranes, it is able to unravel itself into multiple long strings for multiple purposes such as acting like ropes,[2][3] avoid damage without hurting Kakyoin himself (as shown in the battle against Death Thirteen)[4] or weave out a network of sensitive strings that detects the enemy's movements, as during the battle with DIO.[5]

As such, Kakyoin can control how Hierophant Green unravels, creating strong ropes or unraveling them into invisible strings. A single string has the ability to sense when someone is touching it and can attack either automatically or at Kakyoin's command. When a string is broken, Kakyoin is unharmed, but attacking a sufficient number of them or Hierophant Green's main body will harm him."
 
You are the one that said the battle starts with Batman trapped in all directions. You need to explain how that happened.
 
>As such, Kakyoin can control how Hierophant Green unravels, creating strong ropes or unraveling them into invisible strings. A single string has the ability to sense when someone is touching it and can attack either automatically or at Kakyoin's command. When a string is broken, Kakyoin is unharmed, but attacking a sufficient number of them or Hierophant Green's main body will harm him."

The barriers are excluded from that, for some reason, but that's how it works, when the tendrils are used as tripwires, the entire point is for them to be moved, pushed and torn of which it does literally zero damage to kak or his Stand, in fact Dio destroyed all the tripwires Kak had place, and it did zero damage to Kak or his Stand, only the punch directly to Kak himself harmed him.


I dont gotta explain anything, Im not the OP, I didnt set the starting distance, if it's 20 meters then Bats starts off within the barriers even with the lowest amount of 20m, hence the name, 20m radius emerald splash.
 
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