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ElixirBlue said:
Smoke pellet.
Kakyoin: "Huh, where did he go? Getting... sleepy..."
That'd pellet would have to somehow not be shot down and cover the SBA distance to do anything.

>where'd he go

You dont know what the 20m emerald splash does do you?
 
Batman's intellect is wanked.

Kakyoin is not braindead in comparison and will also do something against batman, for example, already having a drawing ready by the time of the fight.
 
I don't see Kakyoin having any resistance to Stealth Mastery. Batman uses smoke pellets, disappears, Kakyoin loses Batman.
 
I do not think Baatman iis just going to ignore both the drawing attack aand the 20 meter danmaku just by "stealth maastery".
 
> drawing ready by the time of the fight.

Why in he hell would a drawing matter here? You do know that painting at the start wasnt a power right? It was just kak showing off, he attacked Jotaro with a tendril, showcased clearly in the ova.
 
Ted Ed said:
I do not think Baatman iis just going to ignore both the drawing attack aand the 20 meter danmaku just by "stealth maastery".
Speed equalized and 20m distances he is.
 
No he isnt? Do you not know what the 20 meter emerald splash is? I doubt Bats could even move more then a few feet, if not inches.
 
Ted Ed said:
Oh yeah, the ova. The main canon source for Jojo.
How could i forget.
It's called upporting evidence, while not canon it's obvious what actually happened, to the point even A.P.P.P picked up on it.
 
The problem with the 20 meter emerald splash is that again this is a Batman with prep, he likely has something he planted thats as potent if not moreso than the 20 meter. And unlike said trap if Kakyoin gets injured severely, the potency or even the the lines in general created by the 20 meter will disappear.
 
Batman activates a little trap, getting Kakyoin's feet of balance, making Kakyoin not attack right away while he reestablish his balance, giving Batman time to use Smoke pellets and disappear.

Or

Batman before the fight surrounds the place with Milf posters.
 
You do know Heirophant is independant from Kakyoin and will attack (specially if 20 meter ES is active) as long Kakyoin is still alive?
 
Fine. The entire battlefield is fill with Smoke you can't see through before the match started cause Batman had prep.
 
You do know that Heirophant is dependent on Kakyoin and when Kakyoin was on the verge of death its ability to function was severely limited?
 
You do know that batman is on a disadvantage of the prep time he has?

He has to figure out a way to even see stands and stand power.
 
Ted Ed said:
You do know that batman is on a disadvantage of the prep time he has?
He has to figure out a way to even see stands and stand power.
Not necessarily, that would just make the fight easier. The are strategies he could use without even needing to see stands
 
Ted Ed said:
You do know that batman is on a disadvantage of the prep time he has?

He has to figure out a way to even see stands and stand power.
Would that matter if Batman had a sample of Joker Venom he keeps around for testing and uses it on Kakyoin?
 
All he has to do find ways to kill or incapacitate Kakyoin without Kakyoin knowing whats going on. Even then considering only the Hellbat Armor is 4-B whats to stop him from just flying or driving into the fight with a vehicle?
 
JohnConquest1 said:
You do know that Heirophant is dependent on Kakyoin and when Kakyoin was on the verge of death its ability to function was severely limited?
Actually untre, that was anime only, HG only deactivated and failed to function upon death, the failed emerald splash was anime only.
 
Chariot190 said:
JohnConquest1 said:
You do know that Heirophant is dependent on Kakyoin and when Kakyoin was on the verge of death its ability to function was severely limited?
Actually untre, that was anime only, HG only deactivated and failed to function upon death, the failed emerald splash was anime only.
Even still, as Kak was literally dying, he still hit the clock tower with dead on precision, showing that even near death it works well
 
Actually true, if you read the manga its very clear he's struggling to manifest HG for the last emerald spalsh.
 
Alright firstly Batman would not start off going for the kill since thats out of character and if hes surrounded by invisible tendrils he wont be able to move without having extreme amounts of invisible danmaku thrown his way.
 
PsychoWarper said:
Alright firstly Batman would not start off going for the kill since thats out of character and if hes surrounded by invisible tendrils he wont be able to move without having extreme amounts of invisible danmaku thrown his way.
SBA is "in character but willing to kill"
 
Again this doesn't matter though because this fight only restricts the Hellbat armor, Batmans other vehicles are unrestricted. Which is problem considering the Batwing can just out range Kakyoin.
 
SBA is "in character but willing to kill"

Yes but that doesnt change his in character goto moves, Batman will start off with what Batman would normally start with which is incap.
 
JohnConquest1 said:
Actually true, if you read the manga its very clear he's struggling to manifest HG for the last emerald spalsh.
https://********.org/chapter/23768/11 Really? Because to me it looks like he just up and did it, with no struggle at all. Unlike the anime where it adds in an entirely new scene.
 
PsychoWarper said:
SBA is "in character but willing to kill"
Yes but that doesnt change his in character goto moves, Batman will start off with what Batman would normally start with which is incap.
But if he's willing to kill and has prior knowledge of the situation, it would be illogical to go for incap in this situation. Illogical being out of character of a Batman willing to kill
 
Chariot190 said:
JohnConquest1 said:
Actually true, if you read the manga its very clear he's struggling to manifest HG for the last emerald spalsh.
https://********.org/chapter/23768/11 Really? Because to me it looks like he just up and did it, with no struggle at all. Unlike the anime where it adds in an entirely new scene.
I don't see any kind of struggle there, also that ES looks stronger too.
 
Would Bats even use half the methods stated here? And We're forgetting with a full day, the 20m emerald splash is more like the half km emerald splash guven Kak's effective range being at least 400 meters and counting.
 
Chariot190 said:
Would Bats even use half the methods stated here? And We're forgetting with a full day, the 20m emerald splash is more like the half km emerald splash guven Kak's effective range being at least 400 meters and counting.
With SBA, yes, I believe he'd use any means possible
 
https://********.org/chapter/23768/12 the next page literally disproves that, he's struggling to keep Hierophant manifested after doing that one attack. He is not gonna be able to do something like the 20m meter if he gets severely injured like that. Whereas Batman can just press a button and have a bomb or smoke attack that isn't as dependent on his well being activate.
 
JohnConquest1 said:
https://********.org/chapter/23768/12 the next page literally disproves that, he's struggling to keep Hierophant manifested after doing that one attack. He is not gonna be able to do something like the 20m meter if he gets severely injured like that. Whereas Batman can just press a button and have a bomb or smoke attack that isn't as dependent on his well being activate.
True, it does look as though its fading
 
JohnConquest1 said:
https://********.org/chapter/23768/12 the next page literally disproves that, he's struggling to keep Hierophant manifested after doing that one attack. He is not gonna be able to do something like the 20m meter if he gets severely injured like that. Whereas Batman can just press a button and have a bomb or smoke attack that isn't as dependent on his well being activate.
Except he wasnt struggling to keep it manifested, he summoned it and attacked just fine, it was fading away like Stands do upon death after doing it, because Kakyoin literally died within a sentence later, prior to straight up dying, he had no issue summoning it and keeping its tendrils manifested as the tendrils didnt fade away untill death as well, and mind you he had his entire abdomen gored out for like a minute and he still summoned HG on command to do the emerald splash.

Youre confusing struggling to keep it manifested while having an injury with struggling to keep it manifested because he literally died within the same sentence (which fyi, he wasnt struggling to keep it even while dying, he just desummoned it after the final attack).
 
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