no we are not getting LS guns or anything ridiculous like that with consistent supersonic statements. that's just ignoring everything to stick with a personal interpretation that doesn't hold up at all with reasoning.
yeah, i just realized that but don't really hear them called that. though i don't remember and FTL feat.
So what you're saying is that Beams of light don't move at Light speed unless they are explicitly stated to move at the speed of Light even though they are light itself............
Feats and statments Which are primarily from older works which Nasu himself acknowledged have been power creeped by Later showings GO but we've been over that already I guess....
Same way stories now fall apart if they are Supersonic how does a supersonic sigurd dodge a LS attacks from holmes, How does a Supersonic Musashi block an attack from SOL Castor, how does a supersonic Houksai block attacks from Sublight speed Okita J, and how does a supersonic Hessian dodge one attack in microseconds and another in even less than that
Almost two decades between where were at now and when FSN first dropped and if were talking when FGO first dropped that was over a decade after FSN , that said It's tough to say but when we think about stuff like consistency of statments if you have two contradicting statments it's usually the more recent ones that take precedent from my experience do with that what you will
You can count me as a vote, I don't mind
With this, I have decided to firmly set my feet in agreeing with the servant speed you mentioned... Two questions. Will this scale to 'servant-speed' humans: Shirou, Kerry, Kotomine, Bazzet, Rin, that school teacher of Rin and Shirou whose name I am forgetting? And will this affect the Nasuverse's speed rating as a whole since there is a lot of folks that scale to servant speed?
the later installments have those exact same low showings though, so that's a big problem.
beams of light aren't light speed when characters that consistently cap inconceivably lower than anywhere near light speed can handle them.
power creep is from Beasts and whatnot.
because all of these "light speed feats" aren't feats and just have light speed statements. so the statements themselves can be disregarded since they are overshadowed by many contradicting statements and blatant bullet timer struggling feats.
I don't think so because like we've been arguing for Majority of the thread FSN and F/Z got powercreeped so for now I think it's best to keep them at MHS scaling off the Hansa calc but we change their reasoning a bit if they scale to Servants and anyone conversely anyone who we can reliably scale to Servants post FGO inception would apply so the Arcuieds, The Extra Shiki's and EOS/Tsukihime Aoko's ect...
How are dodging a trap in microseconds and parrying an SOL attack not a Feats??
unfortunately, not only is that claim already questionable, but those feats in conjunction with all of the same ones from the previous works obliterate LS from a logical standpoint. ignoring everything because "power creep" (when that statement that was never sent btw was likely referring to Beasts and the likes) isn't an argument and is just a way to try and push for the highest interpretation for characters even if it breaks the verse and logic entirely. so ouch.
because they rely on statements telling us they are that fast. while bullet timing doesn't need such things and it's just obvious characters struggle with bullets from guns from very direct and blatant on screen feats. the statements backing them up is just further proof but not primary evidence. and these feats and statements massively outweigh GO's few and far between feats.
MHS won't even work since that falls under your power creep logic still. so they'd be downgraded. and who exactly wouldn't scale? Kirei and the likes? are you arguing GO Servants get different keys still?
Methinks that certain Fate Humans - i.e Shirou, Bazzet, Kuzuki with Caster's reinforcement Rin with the Jeweled Sword, Dark Sakura - might deserve a possible rating due to the tomfoolery that happened and how they are capable of reacting to servants who popped up in FGO and had roles in it. But that might be more of a clusterfuck that's cost more than it is worth, so won't push for it, but will support those who push for it.
It does work because the Calc was based off Hansa who has stated that he's below burial agency members and in that vein servants>>>>>Hansa so even if we scale Top Tier combat Mages to that Calc it shouldn't lead to too many problems since Servants shouldn't have scaled to that Calc in the first place because it's technically a Lowball
Lots of stuff has broken the scaling chain before even if its accepted in this thread doesn't mean we apply it as is before we got to the current 6-C to Low 6-B that we have for AP now there were three or so threads dealing with the particulars no reason we can't take the time to do that here
that doesn't mean we should break it more just because GO can't keep its shit together (not trying to sound aggressive).
except all of the evidence in those series point to supersonic speeds. and if those bullets and Kirei were that fast, a 50 round magazine would not of bought him this much time.
and if the firing intervals weren't of similar speed, then Kirei would've just blitzed to Kiritsugu during the turtle speed firing intervals.
Hahahahah I don't think I like the sound of Light speed SMG's no I'd rather argue that FGO Servants>>>>F/Z and F/SN servants using Nasu's statment, therefore Kirei and Kiritsugu don't scale to the Sub-rel to Rel combat speed and FTL reactions although a "possibly" FTL reactions is always an option
Could I count this as a vote??
You can't just ignore the speed of older works, especially when it appears in GO too. We have Servants firing supersonic arrows (which is consistent with the other works), we have Kingu flying at 500 km/h being considered impressive alongside them needing Arash's NP to move at 300 km/h (which is consistent with the Rider's mounts going at 400-500 km/h in the older works and with Saber being injured by being tossed at a wall at 200 km/h by Kuzuki).
Don't worry about it and you know what they say with great change comes more revision threads hahahahahahah
Hello if you could unlock the pages for Ryougi Shiki and Mash Kyrielight so the changes can be applied that would be much appreciated
I hope that giving "Possibly FTL reactions" to human fate characters is going to be a thing! If servant speed is going to be upgraded, then, the humans should to as a lot of them scale to 'em in one way or another. Mostly in the case of Prisma!Illya, Bazzet, and possibly Shirou.
For the first the same servant is tell to shoot arrow quicker, and we don't know by how much time.
I thought we disregarded skill descriptions cause I'm pretty sure earlier someone said we can't use Santa Karnas statement in his Materials pertaining to him punching at Faster than the speed of Light because it was just a skill description???
Oh, must have missed that.
Ehhhh Prisma is a bit......well in any case If this does go through I'll make a follow up thread or two detailing how the revisions themselves should be implemented and how to deal with Top tier combat mages from earlier works like Kirei or Kiritsugu
putting Servants at speeds they don't operate at through the vast majority of works and even a bit of GO is what's ridiculous and pure wank.
if those bullets are as fast as you are wanking them to be and the firing intervals are anywhere near as fast, 50 rounds in a drum mag would not buy him five seconds. and if the intervals were normal speed, then Kirei would've blitzed towards him during the intervals. next time don't call someone's argument ridiculous when you're supporting completely absurd viewpoints that fall apart under the slightest amount of scrutiny in some attempt to wank a series.
the same guy who said Excalibur couldn't be replicated when it could and other nonsensical interview statements, even though top-tier DAAs can be compared to Crimson Moon and several characters by the time of MB have survived moons being slammed into them, physically destroying Nrvnqsr with his continent level durability with only 510 of his lives and speed feats that consistently dwarf Fate. and the Remake's showings are actually much lower than the original Tsukihime massively as of right now. this is why Nasu's statements need to be gauged on a case by case basis. if they contradict his works, they should be discarded.
Ah so you found it, I thought it was in Bamboo Broom
And in this case looking at how servant showings have seemingly improved the interview statment holds up especially since his says "Post FSN" as well indicating that it coincides with the Power Creep argument wherein Servants have gotten stronger in works that came after early installments like the FSN VN's
said power creep never even references Servants, meaning it could just be referring to the setting of GO as a whole with Beasts and Gods and whatnot. and the DAAs that were shown in the original dwarf most of GO and the entirety of the Remake's feats except one, further showing this is one of those interview statements that lacks credibility. granted, the ones in the original were some of the best of the best, but those are the only ones we saw .
Excalibur can't be normaly replicated, i mean replicated and loosing you life because you have do it doesn't discard what he have tell.
it can be replicated. it being used just results in the death of someone that doesn't have high enough magical energy to handle it, but it can still be replicated.
It primeraly compare it to servant. And in the original most of DAA were weak as hell except the higher one. Like lol many of them got killed by the church.... The remake is with the lower class of ennemy you know.... You like compare the feat of the best DAA in original with the one in remake that are tell to be like some of the weakest one
