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About Natsu Regenerationn negation

Enryu_The_Red_Tower

Enryu_The_Red_Tower

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Well, let's begin...

As I recall Zeref's MId-High Regenerationn comes from his Time Rewind and not from his normal Regenerationn. Since Natsu nullifies Zeref's Time and Space Magic he grants him Regen (Mid-High) and not Zeref's Regenerationn itself, and this only strengthens Natsu's Power Nullification.

And with all this, Natsu regen negation must be removed.
 
Here the scan of zeref healing himself
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now read chapter 537

In whole chapter, zeref wasn't able to heal his single injuries

Here the example

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so before making a downgrade thread, read manga carefully
 
IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
Zeref heals with magic, he couldn't heal there because Natsu burned away all of Zeref's magic. OP makes sense.
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If Natsu burned away zeref all magic the zeref should be dead, and zeref also have resistance to magic power nullification, Natsu destroy/burned FH. He cant able to nullify curse placed on zeref and his Regenerationn came from his curse. this op didn't make any sense
 
Zeref didn't gain Regenerationn on its own, ankshrasam curse give him immortality(type 4) which also give him type 1 and type 3 immortality, zered was just a normal human he gain all those power after god cursed him
 
Immortality isn't Regenerationn.

Zeref has Type 3 immortality due to Time Rewind from Fairy Heart, it's not actual Regenerationn though and the OP mentions it:

>As I recall Zeref's MId-High Regenerationn comes from his Time Rewind and not from his normal Regenerationn.
 
Enryu The Red Tower said:
@9TailAcno

So, it downgrades Natsu regen negation (up to Mid-High) to (up to At least Mid-Low, possibly Mid)?
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Natsu nullify it when zeref was in FH form. Let other members join it,because it atleast mid lvl
 
IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
Immortality isn't Regenerationn.

Zeref has Type 3 immortality due to Time Rewind from Fairy Heart, it's not actual Regenerationn though and the OP mentions it:

>As I recall Zeref's MId-High Regenerationn comes from his Time Rewind and not from his normal Regenerationn.
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Use some other side then *********.
 
Enryu The Red Tower said:
@9TailAcno

So, it downgrade Natsu regen negation (up to Mid-High) to (up to At least Mid-Low, possibly Mid)?
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It should be atleast mid lvl, possibly higher. Becuase zeref have a fast Regenerationn.
 
I agree with Enryu state, it make sense because of Zeref words against Natsu after he lose his "Magic":

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Don´t know where this nonsense rumors come ( "Natsu is able to regen negation") from, but Natsu didn´t regen neation Zeref heal magic. Even in the first battle Zeref need some minutes to heal himself complete again. And in the second round he was doing able to do that again if we believe his on words, only Mavis stop him in the end where both friendly die...

Let example again, in the first round in chapter 464-465 Zeref fight and get injured much, after the fight ends he heal himself again. The same would happend here again, it wasn´t because Natsu has ability to negation regen, more like Zeref heal ability need time or much magic to work...
 
I agree that Natsu shouldn't have regen negation. Zeref even said that he'd regenerate soon after their battle ended. All Natsu did was burn away Zeref's magic and hurt him to such an extent that zeref needed a little time to regen.
 
He stopped him from moving and rewinding time, which is something Zeref has never experienced before, he negated Zeref's Regen, to what level is really up for grabs, and while Zeref said he could Regen, he had doubts, limited Regen Negation could be good
 
Zeref didn't heal in the whole chapter(after the fight) while as I post in the above comment, he heals right after Natsu leave(when they fight for the 1st time)
 
He nullified his ability to Time Rewind, not the Regen. The Regen comes from the Time Rewind. You nullify the Rewind, you nullify the Regen.
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
He stopped him from moving and rewinding time, which is something Zeref has never experienced before, he negated Zeref's Regen, to what level is really up for grabs, and while Zeref said he could Regen, he had doubts, limited Regen Negation could be good
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Well that only reinforces Natsu's Power Nullification since Natsu nullifies Zeref Time Magic which grants the same Regen (Mid-High) via Time Rewind, but this only downgrades Natsu's Regen Negation to (up to at least Mid-Low, possibly Mid) since this Regenerationn is natural to Zeref and Natsu was able to deny it.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
He nullified his ability to Time Rewind, not the Regen. The Regen comes from the Time Rewind. You nullify the Rewind, you nullify the Regen.
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Not necessarily, since Natsu himself denied Zeref Time Magic, which grants him Mid-High Regen via Time Rewind, in itself Natsu only denied Zeref Time Rewind ie he denied or burned the Time Magic, and also we will not completely remove the Natsu's Rege Negation will only do a downgrade from "nullifes up to Mid-High" to "nullifies up to at least Mid-Low, possibly Mid" since this is Zeref's normal Regenerationn and Natsu was able to negate it.
 
Enryu The Red Tower said:
Dragonmasterxyz said:
He nullified his ability to Time Rewind, not the Regen. The Regen comes from the Time Rewind. You nullify the Rewind, you nullify the Regen.
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Not necessarily, since Natsu himself denied Zeref Time Magic, which grants him Mid-High Regen via Time Rewind, in itself Natsu only denied Zeref Time Rewind ie he denied or burned the Time Magic, and also we will not completely remove the Natsu's Rege Negation will only do a downgrade from "nullifes up to Mid-High" to "nullifies up to at least Mid-Low, possibly Mid" since this is Zeref's normal Regenerationn and Natsu was able to negate it.
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"mid" is better
 
Even without the time rewind, Zeref STILL has Mid Regenerationn. So him being incapable of regenerating after Natsu punched him is still a Regenerationn negation ability, just that instead of being Mid-High it simply becomes Mid.
 
I think Zerefs Regen should just be Mid, not possibly Mid, he implies he can survive decapitation, so yeah, it would likely regen
 
Bump and downgrade of the Natsu Regen Negation to Mid looks good too, although we have to upgrade or discuss about giving Mid Regenerationn to Zeref.
 
Is there really much to talk about? We know that he's tried every way of killing himself and he mentioned that losing your head wouldn't keep you dead. He was the first person that he knows of to recieve the curse and thus would only know about the surviving from decapitation due to first hand expierence. Thus, Mid regen.
 
Okay, I'll just quote what I posted there:

TriforcePower1 said:
Quoting BFF:

"About Zeref's time reversal, since he could reverse time after he was vaporized - meaning his brain was destroyed - that must mean he reverses time with his incorporeal mind / consciousness, which would mean physical destruction like atomization shouldn't work on him.

Inb4 someone says "So Goku can't kill Zeref?". I know it sounds like a NLF, but it could really be no different from Low-Godly Regenerationn. Only that Zeref is reversing time with his consciousness, as opposed to regenerating his body. What has to be done is to seal him, destroy his soul or mind, erase him from existence, etc.

In any case, Regenerationn should be removed from his page. That's not what his ability is."


"...It's not Regenerationn. He's not recreating his body. He's reversing time to how things were before his body was destroyed. That's not Regenerationn at all."
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