What's being pushed in this thread are about Makima having a comparable or can be scaling over the Gun Devil.
Yeah, actually we're talking about speed scaling from Makima to the Gun Devil.
I have done it. So your thoughts?
I mean, nothing really, at least about speed. CSM is in need of some revisions though, Denji should have two more keys among other things.
I don't say she asking him to hit her. But it's about Makima giving a response to Denji, thought in the end it shows that Makima could defeat Denji in ease.
Yep they're become weaker, but the difference about the Gun Fiend is he is the Gun Devil himself who changes form. It is not known how much decrease in terms of his strenght.
Well about Makima having killed that couldn't be considered as anti feats. You can try to read it again, from the start Makima can track him and even anticipates him. In logics Makima would need a technique that comparable to him. I mean, how can she defeat him in the first place if her techniques has a inferior speed than him? Or even hit him? That's.
Not in a literal sense. I mean when Makima activates her technique, it can be seen that the Gun Devil heading towards to attack it means he aware to that. If in the end the Gun Devil has lose, wasn't that mean Makima's attack capable to have a comparable statistics to him?
As far as I know it not yet being calculated. But it can and I think the same.
Yes, because she needs to prove his superiority to herself. I'm not sure what the point here is.
Exactly, and since it's not known what the change is, we cannot assume it's a small change.
She barely tracks him over a long distance. I can track an airplane as it's passing above me but that doesn't mean I could fight something with its combat speed. And, again, she literally blind-sided him with an attack from above. I don't scale to Usain Bolt if I sneak behind him and smack him in the back of the head.
No, not really. He's just standing still in that panel. She also uses seven different powers to form that one technique, so it wouldn't scale to her normal attacks.
What do you mean by that? Well the point of that counterargument is about explaining how Makima actually can defeat Denji and blitz him if she wants it. Since the first opponent said that Makima couldn't blitz Denji and comparable to him. While in fact Makima is far superior.
Rather than a big change thought. Well about this the Gun Fiend I too don't want to make wild assumption to it. I also kinda doubt, but as far as I remember there's no anti feats for it so I guess it's fine. But I can agree if in the outcoming future there will be a databook that explain about this specifically.
That's a good analogy actually but I guess not. The timeframe between Makima and the Gun Devil only lasted a few seconds actually. It means the one who track it will need a sensory that comparable to him. Since Makima didn't use any items for it but her own abillities. Regarding about Makima who can detect it and even know the exact location of this, this means that it requires sensory capabilities that can move according to its target. You can track an airplane that passes through the air within a few kilometers, but in the case of Makima, isn't it shown that in the end she is the winner? So that's different. And how can you call it "blindsided" while the Gun Devil himself aware and reacts to the attack? Although what happened afterwards is not known how, but the result was clearly won by Makima.
Yes, the Gun Devil is still standing in the panel, but you won't say the Gun Devil will surrender to be killed by Makima right or sounds to something like that? The stakes of his mission are his life and he has a mission from the president of America to kill Makima completely. Yes Makima did use a different abillities than usual where she combines the many abilities that consist of contact with the other devils to defeat him. I'm fine for Denji who can be argued that can't be scaled to the Gun Devil but for Makima's case, I believe she can and it's legit but in a special case or key about this.
She needs to prove his superiority to him, so why wouldn't she abuse her speed?
No it isn't fine. If we don't know something we go with the conservative estimate. He's a Fiend, and we know Fiends are weaker, nothing else.
He does literally not react to the attack, and he was standing still. She barely saw him coming, she got shot in the head by him, and then counter-attacked. Nothing more.
We know nothing about the Gun Devil's personality. Maybe it was surprised she came back, maybe he was evaluating the situation, who knows? It hesitated for a moment, that's all. It didn't get blitzed before it could attack again- if it had been going all-out it would have never stopped attacking to begin with.
I guess she did it because she want to show Denji and killing him personally like giving a dramatic scale to that moment. But there's no point to continue this actually.
Yes, that's why I said I kinda doubt.
Well but he awares to that attack, if you assume that the Gun Devil would only standing there and getting killed by Makima in a pressure then it will contradict the story, where the Gun Devil's mission was to kill Makima. About the rest you're right, but why don't put this on a specific case? I mean, if she was able to counter attack and win in the end she will need a speed that at the same level to her enemy. I mean if you consider Makima couldn't be scaled to him then it will be more make sense if at that time the Gun Devil could counter it or even change the result where he can win. The result has show us thought that Makima win and legitemately could be scaled over him.
Indeed we know nothing about the Gun Devil's personality. But in a common way, everyone that faces his/her enemy that even trapped on a death-life condition would try to giving a counter attacks and takes the winner position. Isn't that a simple one? Actually the Gun Devil's attack was never stop, but after Makima getting killed and revive she release her techniques in a second and make the Gun Devil's movement stopped and it reacting to Makima's attack by heading upward.
But can't we give Makima a special key that can be scaled over the Gun Devil? It's not reffering to the usual Makima. Since Makima use a special abillities to it.
Okay. Should we close this thread then?
We can discuss Denji's feats here https://vsbattles.com/threads/denji-chainsaw-man-upgrades-and-additions.116599/#post-3768931
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Yeah. But after rereading the manga and looking back over my arguments I felt like I wanted to correct a few things.
What's the special condition is?
Makima should have a new key that scales her to the gun devil. Also have another key that scales her to Denji, since Makima who fought with the Gun Devil uses all of her abillities different when he fought with Denji.
Yes but Makima's effort when she fought with the Gun Devil is literally different. Things why I said Makima need a new key because this would apply to Makima at her best feats, because in that battle with the Gun Devil Makima use all of her abillities where these abillities are composed by many contract of Devils.
Okay understandable, have a nice day.
Well Makima didn't care if she being killed because she is immortal. She alone has said when she talks with Kishibe. Well that calc is okay thought. But about Makima's condition I thought there's need an exception and I have explained this on above about giving Makima a special key.
This thread is not yet being rejected what do you mean? The opponent's side didn't even bring a specifics argument about why Makima couldn't be scaled over the Gun Devil. Altought now we can give Makima MHS under a special condition.
Okay einel, i'll be waiting comennt from damage for this thread
