Yeah not really calculatable off that.
The above? Like 9-B? Unless he made all of hell dark, I don't recall.
Ok, so from what I can see the Gun Devils feat validity is being called into question due to the Low 7-C damage it caused. This to me seems flawed for a few reasons, but in order to cover every base lets do a breakdown of our current
KE feat rules and see how it fares.
Basic Rules
Rule 4: "Kinetic Energy based on Movement Speed is case by case" The only one that really applies, and the Gun Devil falls into the applies category. The Gun Devils main method of attack is ramming through buildings while hovering above the ground. This is both
shown and
implied multiple times, so in this case the Gun Devil would qualify.
That's is straight-up false, its main method of attack is guns. I don't think it ever actually actively attacked by ramming someone thinking on it?
It just so happens to cause destruction when moving, because it's like a 30-40m tall demon dude who zips around while gunning down thousands of dudes. Now obviously GD has KE, the issue is its demonstrated KE, and the calced KE, do not add up. And demonstrated takes precedence 99% of the time.
Every scan you just showed, is dozens of thousands, and in one case, millions, of times below the alleged KE value. You actively showed evidence for why he doesn't qualify.
Him hovering above the ground isn't an argument, buildings be buildings, they're tall enough he's making contact with them. Anything 15m+ tall, is hitting his central mass.
Speed can be used to find KE when: "The kinetic energy displayed is directly shown to be as a result of speed, or at least heavily implied to be so. Examples would be: A meteor crashing into the ground, as well as a Kaiju moving at full speed."
Moving on to the detractors
That's a case of it can be calced, that doesn't mean if something about it is off, it can be ignored or handwaved. It still has to make sure not to break any rules.
Detractor 1:"The calculated kinetic energy value is heavily inconsistent with the rest of the cast in the series." The Gun Devil, as mentioned many times prior in this thread, is the strongest Devil in the Verse barring the Primal Fears, the Horseman, and the Chainsaw Man. Therefore, It having an astronomically higher AP from the other Hybrids is not valid reason for denying it it's KE.
That's a major issue dude, when not even the Primals have feats this high except one, which is so ridiculously above GD that it wouldn't corroborate him anyway, every other feat done by GD is tens of thousands of times less, and even Pochita's best on-screen feat, is like 80,000x less.
Incredibly large leaps in power between top and god tiers of verses are not uncommon and is something that regularly happens in other verses on this wiki (Ex. Naruto in the War arc going from
100 teratons to 44 exatons with Six paths, Ichigo going from
4.4 Exatons to 4.6 Zettafoe,).
You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the issue is anyway. Big leaps isn't the issue here, like if Pochita next chapter yawned and vaporized an island, there would be no issue, in fact it'd be based af and straightfoward. It's the "how", not the "why".
But if you really want to go a route, they have no corroboration to a jump this big anyway for GD level dudes.
He was killed by a horseman which has already been established as being above the Gun Devil, as well as being able to contend with the primal fears, so no contradiction there. The Chainsaw Devil no-diffs every single Hybrid at once, and later does it again after being weakened to an extreme degree, only being damaged by Makima, a horseman. No real inconsistencies are present to deny the Gun Devil it's KE so this detractor wouldn't apply.
Again, you don't seem to understand what the issue is, and even by your logic, the Horseman level characters best quantifiable feat, is like 80,000x below the alleged KE.
If anything a weaker character whipping out a calc that far beyond anything by those above it, anything by those below it, anything by those on par, anything by itself, and with the very "feat" in question, not even being a feat, but rather extrapolation off other info with the actual feat being done being like 100,000x less.
There's detracting evidence, the lack thereof in and of itself, is a point against.
Detractor 2:"There is a destruction/AP calculation contradicting a kinetic energy calculation." The
Low 7-C calc is just the result of the Gun Devil plowing through the buildings and the surrounding air pressures destruction.
Yes and it's 16,000x less. In a form 5x stronger than the 7-B KE feat. Over the span of 26 seconds. Entirely off-screen.
The fact this is even being used as an argument to support 7-B KE, I don't even know where to begin. The fact it's even being used as a feat, at all, is a tad suspect actually. Like normally we'd at least divide by timeframe if we don't know for sure.
There is no instance in which the full kinetic energy of his moving body is imparted onto the environment,
Except the numerous buildings he plows through by your own admission in the second half of this sentence. Buildings that if hit with 7-B levels of energy, should no longer exist, at all, let alone any collateral shockwaves from such an impact. It'd be like a nuclear bomb, not even hyperbole.
he is hovering
above the ground and is simply plowing through everything in his way with nothing stopping him.
Hovering mere feet off the ground isn't an argument as that still means the numerous buildings he's smashing into, he's well, smashing into?
And ignoring how I'm pretty sure that's a bullet being shot, the collateral in that panel is millions and millions of times below the alleged KE being argued.
Couple that with GD applying a constant of momentum to itself, well yeah obviously he's going to smash through stuff, and then keep going? it isn't like he's jumping or being thrown, his movement is a constant and he can keep going or stop at a whim.
Nothing he impacts can withstand his 7-B levels of force,
Except the things that do?
so there is no destruction calculation that can be made to discredit it's KE.
This is blatantly false, any building he makes contact with for starters.
It would be similar to arguing a bullet doesn't have an energy of 500 joules because it pierces through a piece of paper without completely destroying it.
A bullet doesn't have a constant state of momentum, and honestly? A bullet would blow the hell out of a piece of paper, it has enough force behind it, and it's gonna be making a far larger hole than just how big it is. Why do you think strong bullets can blow off limbs despite being small? The amount of force is gonna have a ripple effect. And GD shouldn't be just "knocking stuff over", the buildings he makes contact with should be turned into literal dust, ESPECIALLY because he's bigger than the buildings in some cases.
A better argument would be why a 1x1m bullet with 1,000,000,000 joules of energy, hitting a 1x1m piece of paper dead center, only tore the paper in half, as opposed to atomizing it.
The KE in this case is focused in a single direction along the surface area of the Gun Devil so of course it wont showcase 7-B environmental destruction. So this detractor also wouldn't apply.
It does when he smashes into things just as big as him, and they remain mostly intact comparatively.
Now your probably thinking "You just said that nothing withstands his full 7-B Kinetic energy, so why are you trying to make the argument he should scale to the full amount?" It's simple, the Gun Devil has shown the ability to completely halt it's KE in the span of
1 second, which is functionally the same as withstanding his full KE thanks to newtons second law.
Which was calced at 8-A
So in summary the Gun Devils calculation fits the criteria to be valid for a KE calculation with no detractors applying and has shown the ability to withstand it's full KE. This in, my opinion, is enough to justify a full scaling to it's KE with no "possibly" or "likely" attached.
And I vehemently disagree.
To give a rundown.
You're ignoring the fact he very well does ram into shit, and said things don't take even 1/100,000,000 the damage they should.
Him hovering isn't an argument when it's mere feet off the ground and any decent building he's smashing directly into.
The 7-C feat is done offscreen, over an unknown amount of time, in an unknown method, in a form 5x stronger than the 7-B calc.
The
very 7-B calc shows at best 8-B destruction moment by moment, and a slew of buildings that are just as big as he is, if not taller in one case, one of which is shown directly in his path with a compressed side, which I'd assume means he bashed against it, despite that, it's mostly intact.
Him stopping himself so he scales, shows 8-A destruction, coincidentally GD's best calced showing. And no, him floating isn't an argument, the trees are tall enough to where they'd graze his lower chest, in fact, that very panel is where we get GD's height and mass from, off said trees, they're about 5m taller than what's needed to be smashed, despite this, they were only blown apart with 8-A force, not 7-B.
Him being a top tier, and thus it's ok ignores how it being an outlier ain't the argument, but even if it was, when his best quantifiable showing in this form is 8-A, and his best showing in his peak is low 7-C, and characters above him only have onscreen 8-A feats, if anything you're shooting yourself in the foot.
Gun Devil isn't like a bullet or ball or meteor, those have KE, and exhaust it over time, once they get going they spend it until it's gone. GD is not like that, he can apply constant momentum to himself, it isn't like a bullet that goes through something and keeps going, and because the very fact that bullet kept going means the destruction it caused and energy it spent doing so wasn't enough to cease its momentum. GD is like Superman, he can fly and propel himself at a whim, of course smashing into a building won't stop him, he can just force himself to keep going by means of literal demon magic, thus him smashing through everything on his way isn't a very good argument, it isn't like Pochita flying kicking a dude through a bunch of buildings were all that energy comes from 1 action, we have no idea how much of GD's momentum is spent moment by moment as zips by or if and when it needs to apply force.
GD's calced KE, is quite literally, almost, if not, 100,000x+ above the actual damage that very scene being calced shows, things mostly intact, numerous caveats like his constant momentum, while also being 16,000 his best showing in a stronger form.
I quite simply don't think GD's KE calc is consistent with what his actual movement showcases. Feels like it's breaking the biggest KE rule without anything else to actually support it.
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