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Introduction
Currently, the God tiers of the Chainsaw Man verse have "far higher" within their stats. This is because of Pochita's multiple statements made by Makima during Chapter 84 "Hero Of Hell" which state that during his peak he was implied to be one who killed all the devils that are in Public Safety and simultaneously fought both 4 Horsemen & the Weapon Devils while in Hell, defeated devils that embodied concepts such as nuclear weapons, an in-universe volcano eruption and starlight that would break children's minds. Due to these feats which were off screen, we are unable to accurately give them a proper rating apart from "likely far higher", however the far higher can be replaced with an actual value, that being his statement of fighting a Devil who has the power of the concept of Nuclear Weapons.
Explanation
To understand what I am trying to present we have to go over the basics of Devil Physiology. All devils are born from a "name" - concepts derived from humanity fears that the devil embodies. These concepts can range anywhere from highly tangible such as guns & spiders to highly abstract such as control & violence. Devils can gain strength and boosts in the effectiveness of their abilities through fear. One core trait of devils that has been repeatedly stated throughout the series is that; the more feared the concept that the devil embodies, the more powerful they become. This doesn't just mean fearing the concept itself, fearing mental imagery related to the concept also counts. For example, a person may not fear a car by itself but fearing being run over and dying by a car would still count, and hence empower the Car Devil. As Devils embodying the fear of a concept, the more feared they are, the more powerful they become even a relatively minor boost in fear can immensely boost a devil's overall strength and effects of their abilities, Due to this once a Devil is more feared than another Devil, their AP and Speed surpasses that said Devil. For more information on Devils please visit the Devil Physiology page which goes over how Devils work & their abilities entirely, however I have listed what is necessary to know for this thread.
So If we are going to scale the Nuclear Weapons Devil we must gauge;
1. How feared they are
2. Compare them to their concept
3. Context of his defeat
1; When the Nuclear Weapons Devil was first mentioned by Makima, other Devil's that could potentially boost its power via its concept existed such as the WW2 Devil & the Nazi Devil meaning this took place back during the period of WW2 & the same period where these Devils would meet the end of their existence to the Chainsaw Devil whom is capable of erasing devils and the concepts they embody from existence across the past, present and from everyone's memories by fully consuming them. The War Devil themselves where at their prime before getting pieces of themselves eaten by the Chainsaw Devil. Support to the Nuclear Weapons Devils power is the War Devil whom is at their weakest & becoming even weaker via becoming a Fiend (whom are Devils who takes over a human corpses & are much weaker in both power and the effectiveness of their abilities) wanted Pochita to puke out the Nuclear Weapons Devil, showing that his power should be enough to make her stronger again.
2; Now that we can gauge how feared he is, how does he compare to his concept. Now lets use the Bat Devil as an example, he takes the physiology of a bat, but due to how feared he is, he is much larger & stronger than any bat alive. Being strong enough to create a City Block level+ level feat with his strongest attack, that alone is enough to grasp how stronger a Devil can be than their concept. Now since weve gone over how feared the Nuclear Weapons Devil was during that period, its only fair to say that he should completely outclass any Nuclear Weapons such as the Tsar Bomba which is the strongest man made bomb is history. Despite it not being created during WW2, it should be inferior to the Nuclear Weapons Devil since it shows how strong nuclear weapons can get, so hypothetically in his prime, he would be at least Mountain level (101.5 Megatons).
3; So now we know how strong he would be, but none of that matters if we don't know the actual context. Since its a statement we don't know how Pochita went about defeating these Devils, as he could erase other Devils before the Nuclear Weapons Devil, such as the WW2 Devil, weakening him. What what we do know is that Makima states that "All of these concepts once existed and were feared every bit as much as the Devils with their names", Makima also references what the Nazis did back in WW2, showing that what happened in the real world also happened in CSM, meaning every Devil would receive the same amount of empowerment by fear of their concepts back during those times. Makima expresses the Chainsaw Devils power by his abilities to manage to fight against these Devils and erase them from existence. But because it is just a statement and the scene is never actually shown, a possibly rating would be necessary.
Why possibly, we haven't seen it so why should we use it?
The premise of possibly is (Quoting from the Attack Potency page) "Should be used to list a statistic for a character with some basis, but inconclusive due to the justification being vague or non-definitive. The probability of the justification in question for being reliable should be notable, but mild. This term should be used sparingly." Basically if the justification or reasoning behind the statistic isn't definitive or fully proven, but the evidence suggests that the statistic is probably true but is vague. As since we don't actually see the feat occur via it being offscreen anything else could have occurred, but what we know points out to my premise.
Scaling
Now with everything else out of the way, we can get to who would scale to likely Mountain level (101.5 Megatons)
Primordial Devils; These devils have been described as "transcendent" compared normal devils and have never experienced death before due to their immerse power, as they possess names that are feared by nearly every human on the Planet, eg; Falling and Darkness. They have been stated to be far stronger than the likes of "some Gun Devil", a weakened Falling Devil with just her appearance on earth caused gravity fluctuations all around the globe causing nations to suffer from damage and become immensely poorer
The Chainsaw Devil; Is known as the devil that devils fears the most which puts him at a comparable level to the Primordial Devils and far above the Nuclear Weapons Devil, Makima considered a proper fight with Pochita "unwinnable" and needed to resort to heavily depowering him, simultaneously fought both 4 Horsemen & the Weapon Devils while in Hell one of the four horsemen being the Death Devil whom is the strongest Devil with the name most feared of all, Makima planned to use the Chainsaw Devil's power to erase her from existence. Defeated devils that embodied concepts such as nuclear weapons, an in-universe volcano eruption and starlight that would break children's minds showing his extreme superiority to the Nuclear Weapons Devil. (So regardless he should be far superior to the Nuclear Weapons Devil regardless of the context)
Makima: Makima is the Control Devil; (The devil that embodies the fear of loosing free will) her fear reaches a greater extent due to countries all around the world having fear for Makima and refused to stand in her way of bringing peace, due to this her AP would scale to this due to being able to draw blood from the Chainsaw Devil.
That's all
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Currently, the God tiers of the Chainsaw Man verse have "far higher" within their stats. This is because of Pochita's multiple statements made by Makima during Chapter 84 "Hero Of Hell" which state that during his peak he was implied to be one who killed all the devils that are in Public Safety and simultaneously fought both 4 Horsemen & the Weapon Devils while in Hell, defeated devils that embodied concepts such as nuclear weapons, an in-universe volcano eruption and starlight that would break children's minds. Due to these feats which were off screen, we are unable to accurately give them a proper rating apart from "likely far higher", however the far higher can be replaced with an actual value, that being his statement of fighting a Devil who has the power of the concept of Nuclear Weapons.
Explanation
To understand what I am trying to present we have to go over the basics of Devil Physiology. All devils are born from a "name" - concepts derived from humanity fears that the devil embodies. These concepts can range anywhere from highly tangible such as guns & spiders to highly abstract such as control & violence. Devils can gain strength and boosts in the effectiveness of their abilities through fear. One core trait of devils that has been repeatedly stated throughout the series is that; the more feared the concept that the devil embodies, the more powerful they become. This doesn't just mean fearing the concept itself, fearing mental imagery related to the concept also counts. For example, a person may not fear a car by itself but fearing being run over and dying by a car would still count, and hence empower the Car Devil. As Devils embodying the fear of a concept, the more feared they are, the more powerful they become even a relatively minor boost in fear can immensely boost a devil's overall strength and effects of their abilities, Due to this once a Devil is more feared than another Devil, their AP and Speed surpasses that said Devil. For more information on Devils please visit the Devil Physiology page which goes over how Devils work & their abilities entirely, however I have listed what is necessary to know for this thread.
So If we are going to scale the Nuclear Weapons Devil we must gauge;
1. How feared they are
2. Compare them to their concept
3. Context of his defeat
1; When the Nuclear Weapons Devil was first mentioned by Makima, other Devil's that could potentially boost its power via its concept existed such as the WW2 Devil & the Nazi Devil meaning this took place back during the period of WW2 & the same period where these Devils would meet the end of their existence to the Chainsaw Devil whom is capable of erasing devils and the concepts they embody from existence across the past, present and from everyone's memories by fully consuming them. The War Devil themselves where at their prime before getting pieces of themselves eaten by the Chainsaw Devil. Support to the Nuclear Weapons Devils power is the War Devil whom is at their weakest & becoming even weaker via becoming a Fiend (whom are Devils who takes over a human corpses & are much weaker in both power and the effectiveness of their abilities) wanted Pochita to puke out the Nuclear Weapons Devil, showing that his power should be enough to make her stronger again.
2; Now that we can gauge how feared he is, how does he compare to his concept. Now lets use the Bat Devil as an example, he takes the physiology of a bat, but due to how feared he is, he is much larger & stronger than any bat alive. Being strong enough to create a City Block level+ level feat with his strongest attack, that alone is enough to grasp how stronger a Devil can be than their concept. Now since weve gone over how feared the Nuclear Weapons Devil was during that period, its only fair to say that he should completely outclass any Nuclear Weapons such as the Tsar Bomba which is the strongest man made bomb is history. Despite it not being created during WW2, it should be inferior to the Nuclear Weapons Devil since it shows how strong nuclear weapons can get, so hypothetically in his prime, he would be at least Mountain level (101.5 Megatons).
3; So now we know how strong he would be, but none of that matters if we don't know the actual context. Since its a statement we don't know how Pochita went about defeating these Devils, as he could erase other Devils before the Nuclear Weapons Devil, such as the WW2 Devil, weakening him. What what we do know is that Makima states that "All of these concepts once existed and were feared every bit as much as the Devils with their names", Makima also references what the Nazis did back in WW2, showing that what happened in the real world also happened in CSM, meaning every Devil would receive the same amount of empowerment by fear of their concepts back during those times. Makima expresses the Chainsaw Devils power by his abilities to manage to fight against these Devils and erase them from existence. But because it is just a statement and the scene is never actually shown, a possibly rating would be necessary.
Why possibly, we haven't seen it so why should we use it?
The premise of possibly is (Quoting from the Attack Potency page) "Should be used to list a statistic for a character with some basis, but inconclusive due to the justification being vague or non-definitive. The probability of the justification in question for being reliable should be notable, but mild. This term should be used sparingly." Basically if the justification or reasoning behind the statistic isn't definitive or fully proven, but the evidence suggests that the statistic is probably true but is vague. As since we don't actually see the feat occur via it being offscreen anything else could have occurred, but what we know points out to my premise.
Scaling
Now with everything else out of the way, we can get to who would scale to likely Mountain level (101.5 Megatons)
Primordial Devils; These devils have been described as "transcendent" compared normal devils and have never experienced death before due to their immerse power, as they possess names that are feared by nearly every human on the Planet, eg; Falling and Darkness. They have been stated to be far stronger than the likes of "some Gun Devil", a weakened Falling Devil with just her appearance on earth caused gravity fluctuations all around the globe causing nations to suffer from damage and become immensely poorer
The Chainsaw Devil; Is known as the devil that devils fears the most which puts him at a comparable level to the Primordial Devils and far above the Nuclear Weapons Devil, Makima considered a proper fight with Pochita "unwinnable" and needed to resort to heavily depowering him, simultaneously fought both 4 Horsemen & the Weapon Devils while in Hell one of the four horsemen being the Death Devil whom is the strongest Devil with the name most feared of all, Makima planned to use the Chainsaw Devil's power to erase her from existence. Defeated devils that embodied concepts such as nuclear weapons, an in-universe volcano eruption and starlight that would break children's minds showing his extreme superiority to the Nuclear Weapons Devil. (So regardless he should be far superior to the Nuclear Weapons Devil regardless of the context)
Makima: Makima is the Control Devil; (The devil that embodies the fear of loosing free will) her fear reaches a greater extent due to countries all around the world having fear for Makima and refused to stand in her way of bringing peace, due to this her AP would scale to this due to being able to draw blood from the Chainsaw Devil.
That's all
Agree: (0:0)
Disagree: (0:2) @Giannysmag, @Lord_Farquaad69420
Neutral: (0:0)
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