Because devils can be weaker, or stronger, than what they embody,
based on how feared they are
and unfortunately, you don't get to automatically presume the nuke devil eclipses actual nukes just for the sake of it.
actual nukes are not limited to 50 megaton ranges.
We need a statement or proof that's the case.
we dont because IRL nukes meet that criteria.
Hell you could even make an argument a nuke devil is weaker than an actual nuke due to the creation of numerous national laws effectively forbidding them, or maybe you couldn't, who knows. This is an issue, we don't know nearly enough about it, or when Pochita killed it (aka how feared nukes even were), to use it to justify Gun Devil's KE of all things.
its a non sequitur, the gun devil being a planet buster in this case would not change it either, he has his own calc, the point was that it was stupid to suddenly create an inconsistency by attributing that the COLLECTIVE FEAR of Nuclear weapons was attributed to a single nuke and thus it was impossible for the the nuke devil to scale above. you could have just said the devils strenght is proportional to their collective fear as oppose to their literal embodiment and called it a day.
Fear of nukes? Unless Pochita fought it in the 60s or before, the actual fear of nuclear cataclysm, fallout, and nukes in general, has diminished exponentially. To the point I would legitimately say that guns are a more common and collective fear than nukes within the past 20-30 years,
Guns are definitely not more feared than Nukes, Guns while deadly are used for a variety of purposes outside of just killing people, often recreational like practice ranges,hunting ect. they are also used as a form of protection either enforced by the law or an individual in places where its allowed. guns are often feared in the here and now when its right in your face. we havent had nuclear bomb drop on a populace since world war 2 and the height of its fear was nearly 4 decades later, policies are made and constantly maintained because of those fears.
the world isnt america.
while still being deadly. Ya don't walk down a bad street and fear getting nuked do ya?
I dont walk down a bad street because i fear i might be robbed or killed, not because i specifically think someone will pull out a desert eagle .
After all, it isn't like a lightning or car devil are more powerful than the Gun Devil, despite lightning and getting smashed by a speeding truck, both holding exponentially more power than an AK.
based on what?, to steelman this. the car devil could be an end game villain for all we know but i digress, if people dont fear those things as much then the gun devil would obviously be stronger.
But did we? If we never did, why would a devil embody a mere hypothetical that never happened? And when did the Nuke Devil even get defeated? If it was before we had the means, than in CSM's context this wouldn't make sense as the concept of a nuke is gone, so no progress would have been made.
Its irrelevant , because the actual value of one specific nuke doesnt matter, the point that your missing is that a collective fear of something isnt bound by 1 specific nuke, in the same way the fear of falling isnt bound by falling off 10 meters or falling from space down to orbit. the fear of something itself is what matters. also to steelman this, a collective fear would account for every nuke detonated by your criteria.
I mean, for example, we have some strong-ass chicken breeds, and could go even further with selective breeding, and Alektorophobia is a thing, and yet, the chicken devil is legitimately sub-chicken level, what's possible in theory doesn't seem to play a role, unless that hypothetical is part of what's feared.
the hypothetical is whats feared about nukes largely, because the amount of people that have experienced a Nuke in their day to day is very very very small (obviously) often being shared by the populace that were specifically targeted, their Living relatives and Military officials who were part or witnessed the detonation test.
the entire existence of laws and prevention of nuclear warfare is entirely based on a Hypothetical of mutual destruction and global annihilation, fear of nukes are predicated on assumptions for obvious reasons, because unlike a Gun, nukes dont normally let you do easy do overs.
chickens are common farm animals domesticated for quite literally thousands of years.
This is a nothing argument no offense, it's just "hypothetically [thing] so it's ok",
a 100 megaton nuke existing isnt hypothetical but okay pop off
without any actual evidence those hypotheticals are even true
i guess we should get rid of 80% of our standards given you cant prove them in a controlled environment.
, to begin with, and if they were true, wouldn't affect if Gun Devil going vroom is a legitimate 7-B/A feat anyway,
then don't use it as some weird anti feat?
but at that point just upgrade Pochita off the Nuke Devil if the argument you and others seem to be making is "Gun Devil's KE is below the Nuke Devil, so it's ok",
Its easy to debate a person made of straw
you don't need a sus "feat" if the argument for why it's legit is this even better scaling, just use the better scaling.
then maybe explain why its sus outside of nonsense like
"But that doesn't actually tackle the issue, by this logic, a Nuke Devil would be stronger than a Gun Devil, so why is a Gun Devil, merely moving, above the absolute highest nukes ever used? This doesn't support the KE, it discredits if anything."
"I'm not so sure, I don't wanna call it an outlier, but more like, is calcing this and treating it like an actual feat even the right call?"
all this comes off as as an appeal to Incredulity solely based on huur durr 16 000x is a big number Impossbiru
we have objectively and broadly on a consistent bases have characters and verses jump entire tiers with a single feat, in fact a single feat sometimes is the linchpin for an entire verses scaling , and often by gaps of cosmological differences. the numerical gap isnt itself nearly enough just to say "outlier" its stuff like
- Notable consistent anti feats
- Premise breaking or narrative breaking
- is there a context that changes why it may or may not scale
as per our own standards
"If a character with several city destruction feats is shown to be able to destroy a mountain, we cannot necessarily consider it as an outlier, for the reason that the jump between tiers is not extreme enough to be so,
despite the jump between energy values we attribute to them. If the character has very few feats, we can likely ignore this point. "
obviously if your issues encompass all of these and you have evidence or you as a calc member actually sees legitimate issue with the calc itself, then sure by all means, I wont argue with you.
