A WoD Discussion thread

[Spawniscoo.]

so is anyone stronger than the Wuji and Taiji which i think are ying and yang

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Man it's like most characters in this verse have some 1-A hax or forms

Nah, IIRC Vampires don't have 1-A hax, Werewolves have 1-A summon at best, Mummies don't have 1-A hax to my knowledge, and so on.

But you can't deny that the hax is crazy

 

[Udlmaster]

so is anyone stronger than the Wuji and Taiji which i think are ying and yang

Taiji (Supreme Ultimate) is the thing which created Yin and Yang, it predates them. Wuji (Without Polarity) is Before differentiations which is beyond even Taiji.

And the Angels and ELOHIM are stronger than The One.

 

[Spawniscoo.]

so if I was to make a list would it go

1. The one giver

2.Elohim

3.Angels

4.Wuji

 

[Udlmaster]

Pretty much, there would be more addition then just that though.

 

[Spawniscoo.]

Like other beings rivialing them or like individuals such as Caine

 

[Udlmaster]

Well, Wuji is only apart of the Tapestry.

 

[Spawniscoo.]

So some other beings would rivial and surpass him

 

[Skaffolding]

Oh cool, 9-A to 7-C Werewolves. Would aggravated damage count as a form of durability negation by the way? I'm just wondering because hypothetically someone with more stamina than Cain wouldn't be able to soak any of it.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

If Lilith is the embodiment of yang, who's yin?

 

[Udlmaster]

So some other beings would rivial and surpass him

The One isn't a being, it's more so a layer of reality or a force.

 

[Udlmaster]

Oh cool, 9-A to 7-C Werewolves. Would aggravated damage count as a form of durability negation by the way? I'm just wondering because hypothetically someone with more stamina than Cain wouldn't be able to soak any of it.

It would count as regen negation as beings like Vampires cannot regen aggravated damage easily.

It wouldn't so much count as durability negation as you still need to deal the damage to get the aggravated damage.

 

[Udlmaster]

If Lilith is the embodiment of yang, who's yin?

Lucifer.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Is he also 1-A?

 

[Udlmaster]

Is he also 1-A?

Lucifer is one of if not the strongest Angels, so very high into 1-A

 

[Skaffolding]

Would it be possible to make some sort of chart detailing the rough AP at each dot of strength? I know it'd be difficult to consolidate all of that but it'd be a Godsend when trying to make profiles for characters lacking in feats.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

I bet he makes the DC Lucifer look like fodder

 

[Udlmaster]

Would it be possible to make some sort of chart detailing the rough AP at each dot of strength? I know it'd be difficult to consolidate all of that but it'd be a Godsend when trying to make profiles for characters lacking in feats.

Don't worry, I'm already working on a AP explanation page to clearing up all the misconceptions and to inform people fully.

As for the dots right now here's the scaling (Note this is for the Mage's sphere dots specifically):

The difference between Dot 1 and Dot 2 is the same difference between 3-D and Outerversal concepts, this difference is doubled when it comes to the next dot and goes on ad infinium.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Sounds like The Cthulhu Mythos and The Gates

 

[Spawniscoo.]

So is Lucifier an angel or an ELOHIM

 

[Udlmaster]

So is Lucifier an angel or an ELOHIM

He's confirmed an Angel.

 

[Spawniscoo.]

is he capable of taking on ELOHIM or was this exaggerated to me

 

[Udlmaster]

is he capable of taking on ELOHIM or was this exaggerated to me

Depends on the ELOHIM, I believe it is implied that due to being the most powerful Angel he's in that grey area between ELOHIM level and everything else.

As for him beating some ELOHIM, sure, some ELOHIM are only 6-D and some even less then that.

 

[Spawniscoo.]

So he wouldn't stand a chance against one like Jehovah or Lilith

 

[Skaffolding]

Oh, I thought the yin-yang thing meant equal and opposites. lol.

 

[Udlmaster]

Oh, I thought the yin-yang thing meant equal and opposites. lol.

Lilith and Lucifer are equals in a sense, as Lucifer was the one who made Lilith his equal.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Is Michael a thing in this verse?

 

[Udlmaster]

So he wouldn't stand a chance against one like Jehovah or Lilith

No, as Jehovah is among the most if not the most strongest ELOHIM, requiring the other ELOHIM together to stop him from destroying all creation.

 

[Infera28]

it where stated spirits in WoD are concepts and ideas?

and templates are concepts or beyond them?

 

[Udlmaster]

it where stated spirits in WoD are concepts and ideas?
and templates are concepts or beyond them?

Spirits in WoD are concepts, ideas, Philosophies, Mathematical theories, psychological posturing, religious beliefs and so on: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/585566340736352280/586551774052220928/image0.png

Theyre beyond Concepts, even beings who are beyond Platonic conception have templates.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

How many levels of transcdence does WoD have above baseline 1-A?

 

[Infera28]

where Caine Regenerationn and immortality negation comes from? i realized he negates type 9 and true godly

 

[Lapsad]

Spirits in WoD are concepts, ideas, Philosophies, Mathematical theories, psychological posturing, religious beliefs and so on: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/585566340736352280/586551774052220928/image0.png

Theyre beyond Concepts, even beings who are beyond Platonic conception have templates.

Oh. @uld i want a source of that text is come from (again)

 

[Udlmaster]

How many levels of transcdence does WoD have above baseline 1-A?

A big number.

 

[Udlmaster]

where Caine Regenerationn and immortality negation comes from? i realized he negates type 9 and true godly

He can kill Angels who are supposed to always reform back in Heaven, these beings also regen from being "burned" by the Void which reduces you to something less than nothingness on a 1-A Level.

 

[Udlmaster]

Oh. @uld i want a source of that text is come from (again)

Where the screenshot comes from? It's from Infinite Tapestry book.

If you mean for the templates, as you saw above, Caine even has a template, so do Mages and Archmages.

 

[Skaffolding]

Another potentially stupid question, but the whitewolf wiki lists Lucifer as the firsr Elohim, not angel. Are they the same thing or is this a mistake?

 

[Udlmaster]

Another potentially stupid question, but the whitewolf wiki lists Lucifer as the firsr Elohim, not angel. Are they the same thing or is this a mistake?

No, It's wrong Jehovah is specifically called "The First Born" in Lilith's book.

 

[Udlmaster]

Here's one of the few pages I can showc this is where Jehovah is destroying everything and the ELOHIM appear and specifically call Jehovah the first born:

https://i.imgur.com/JkoFlrH.jpg

 

[Skaffolding]

It does say Lucifer's the first created by God, did Jehovah originate in some other way?