A WoD Discussion thread

[The_King_of_Prudence]

How does Lilith resist immortality?

 

[Udlmaster]

Sorry for the constant questions just an interesting verse but if the ELOHIM are God then whats the relationship between them and the one giver

As an analogy, The One Giver is the true being behind the ELOHIM, the analogy doesn't work when it comes to her.

And I don't mind, I'm happy people are interested in the verse.

 

[Udlmaster]

Oh yeah makes sense but after the ELOHIM who would hold the most powerful positio

The One Giver, The ELOHIM act as her filters, so nothing is stronger than them.

 

[Udlmaster]

How does Lilith resist immortality?

If you are questioning the "Resistance to all previously stated abilities" she technically doesn't.

But she can resist people giving her immortality.

 

[Spawniscoo.]

Oh yeah makes sense but after the ELOHIM who would hold the most powerful positio

The One Giver, The ELOHIM act as her filters, so nothing is stronger than them.

I mean whos the strongest after them like angels or fallen

 

[Udlmaster]

I mean whos the strongest after them like angels or fallen

Ahhh, then it would be Lilith, as she is a ELOHIM, then Caine and the Angels.

 

[Spawniscoo.]

I mean whos the strongest after them like angels or fallen

Ahhh, then it would be Lilith, as she is a ELOHIM, then Caine and the Angels.

would there be like a basic hireachy

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

I got a question, how did you find about this verse and what made you interested in it?

 

[Udlmaster]

I got a question, how did you find about this verse and what made you interested in it?

I originally found it out from a friend who introduced to me Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines game, then I looked into it and found out about the Mages, I read a little bit into their powers and was enraptured with Probability manipulation.

i dropped the topic for all of 2015-2017 and then picked it back up again in 2018 because it seemed interesting after doing research into D&D and now I'm the guardian of the verse.

 

[Udlmaster]

would there be like a basic hireachy

There is, here's an incomplete one;

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/585566340736352280/586928731545927705/image0.jpg

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...rREsGDq06vOuNLyqMYNHvIChC1111x-jtxuB7Dyxk.png

Caine's offical stats in WoD, I love how it just says "YOU ******* LOSE"

 

[Spawniscoo.]

cheers bro who are the Adversary though is that like Lucifier

 

[Udlmaster]

Yeah, those aren't technically his official stats and more so a joke stat released for a joke.


But for the longest time those were his only released stats

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

If you are questioning the "Resistance to all previously stated abilities" she technically doesn't.

But she can resist people giving her immortality.

Resistance to power bestowal, then?

 

[Udlmaster]

Sure.

 

[Lapsad]

From i seen this [1] Elohim and Angel is a same being ?

 

[Udlmaster]

From i seen this [[1]]
Elohim and Angel is a same being

Whitewolf wiki is fairly good but they're not 100% accurate.

 

[Lapsad]

Whitewolf wiki is fairly good but they're not 100% accurate.

Oh. Then How did to read a properly text , feat , lore from other web site

 

[Udlmaster]

Look up Trove and find it there.

if you mean "How is it wrong with citations" because the citation is from the first edition books, the newer books overrule the old ones.

Both Caine's and Lilith's books have the ELOHIM and Angels be totally different things.

The Mage books, even the most recent 20th anniversary books also list Angels and Godheads (ELOHIM) as different beings.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

How powerful are demons in WoD?

 

[Udlmaster]

How powerful are demons in WoD?

Depends which type of Demon.

There's the biblical ones which are equal to the ELOHIM and Angels, there's Quantum Demons which are weird, there's the Machine God series of Demons which are 4-D to Multiversal+ and a few more.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

I guess biblical demons, any notable ones in the verse?

 

[Udlmaster]

I guess biblical demons, any notable ones in the verse?

Lucifer, Satan, some of the classical Archdemons like Belzabub and Baphomet

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Dang, and since they scale to Angels and The ELOHIM I guess they're 1-A as well?

 

[Udlmaster]

Dang, and since they scale to Angels and The ELOHIM I guess they're 1-A as well?

Pre-Fall, yes.

Post-Fall, they'd be Unknown, we while they scale to the ELOHIM and Angels, they became weaker as all their "gifts" were taken away from them, they would possibly be in the 1-A ranges, but to what extend it is unknown, as they could have been negated down to Human level or even less, or they could just be a percentage weaker.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Pre Fall?

 

[Udlmaster]

Pre Fall?

While they still had their gifts from the Humans and had the stolen gifts from the Angels

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

What are these gifts?

 

[Udlmaster]

What are these gifts?

In the One Giver book it talks about "gifts", these seem to be power bestowed upon beings, the book is incredibly vague in places so I don't like to use to book too much, but it's the best account of the One Giver which Sux

Before the Angels would give humans gifts but the Angels turned to masters and took gifts from humans.

They likely mean powers and aspects and stuff from them

 

[Spawniscoo.]

So are the adversaries the same to ELOHIM as the demons are to the angels

 

[Udlmaster]

So are the adversaries the same to ELOHIM as the demons are to the angels

Pretty much.

 

[Spawniscoo.]

Who are some notable Adversaries and who would be the stongest amongst them

 

[Udlmaster]

Who are some notable Adversaries and who would be the stongest amongst them

Player Demon, Lucifer and Satan.

 

[Spawniscoo.]

Do Adversaries lose power when they fall

 

[Udlmaster]

Do Adversaries lose power when they fall

It was never clearly shown, but I would say so.

 

[Spawniscoo.]

Cheers my man you've been a great help

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Are the Adversaries an aspect of something like The ELOHIM are to The One Giver?

 

[Udlmaster]

Cheers my man you've been a great help

Not at all, I enjoy answering the questions.

 

[Udlmaster]

Are the Adversaries an aspect of something like The ELOHIM are to The One Giver?

Yeah, they would just be "Evil" ELOHIM.

 

[Infera28]

why Mages have resistance to their own powers?

Regular Mages have seven fold curse too?

between Demon and Mage which one is stronger? also between Vampire and Mummy