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M's Nature
Re-reading the series, got me thinking about M's tiering.
Starting from the bottom working my way up; in Sona Nyl: The Red Tears of Huitzilopochtli, M is stated to be the featureless, infinite darkness, supporting the abyss and the vast cosmos.
In a Sona-Nyl side story, M is stated the infinite darkness that possess/encompasses the universe and is one of the traits of the universe
Will people remember the Black King?
The Outer God.
The King of the Gods.
The Howler in Darkness. The Crawling Chaos. The Dark Universe itself. The one who seeks Gold.
It is incomparable to the Old Ones. The Foreign God, the Black King, a real one who can exist as matter and that which is all of darkness is its domain.
The galaxy that encompasses our planet, the cluster of galaxies it gathers, and the vast infinite darkness that possesses it, that is, the universe, is one of the many certain traits in the universe that is black, darkness, and one of the Outer Gods.
The Black King, who is said to have a thousand manifestations on a planetary to even galactic scale was observed by Professor Moriarty at a young age, who left behind a paper. It overlooked the existence of A.Z.T.T, but...
Ah, the Black King. The one who flew from outer space. The dull traces of the God who hides himself. The Knight of the Abyss, the Jet Black Outer God who remade the dark universe to search for the Golden Eyes that flew from outer space to this planet.
After visiting the planet, it is said that it ruled and reigned relatively benignly over those who behaved as its God King. Did you see in the fading illusion the profile of the one from outside that had once disappeared?
Even after the end of ancient times, the Black King did not perish.
Do you remember?
People, he chose to be the only king in the Dark Palace.- Shiei no Sona Nyl: Unknown Author Description
The Outer God.
The King of the Gods.
The Howler in Darkness. The Crawling Chaos. The Dark Universe itself. The one who seeks Gold.
It is incomparable to the Old Ones. The Foreign God, the Black King, a real one who can exist as matter and that which is all of darkness is its domain.
The galaxy that encompasses our planet, the cluster of galaxies it gathers, and the vast infinite darkness that possesses it, that is, the universe, is one of the many certain traits in the universe that is black, darkness, and one of the Outer Gods.
The Black King, who is said to have a thousand manifestations on a planetary to even galactic scale was observed by Professor Moriarty at a young age, who left behind a paper. It overlooked the existence of A.Z.T.T, but...
Ah, the Black King. The one who flew from outer space. The dull traces of the God who hides himself. The Knight of the Abyss, the Jet Black Outer God who remade the dark universe to search for the Golden Eyes that flew from outer space to this planet.
After visiting the planet, it is said that it ruled and reigned relatively benignly over those who behaved as its God King. Did you see in the fading illusion the profile of the one from outside that had once disappeared?
Even after the end of ancient times, the Black King did not perish.
Do you remember?
People, he chose to be the only king in the Dark Palace.- Shiei no Sona Nyl: Unknown Author Description
In a Sharnoth sidestory, Sharnoth is said to be a realm of darkness which no technology no matter how advanced tech becomes can detect
──This is the Abyss where the Black King is.
──This is the Tone of the Abyss.
It is a world full of dark stars.
It does not receive any and all light, and remains in a state of deep darkness. Nothing, no matter how advanced machines become, can detect its existence. It could be an alien world beyond the edge, a planet of darkness and Pitch Black, a palace of the God who reigned over the Deep Continent, or an eternal prison where darkness is banished. Naturally, very few who believe in it exists. Few who have heard of it.
Even now in the 20th century, its existence is only praised in a part of the occult as the Pitch Black World, the Dark Universe of the End, the Dark Palace, the Event Horizon, and it was simply called Sharnoth. But there was no difference from each other.
Thus, let us examine words that have not yet been known──
Words of the Dark World──
Words of the Universe of the End──
Words from the ends of the Earth── Shikkoku no Sharnoth: Black Voice
──This is the Tone of the Abyss.
It is a world full of dark stars.
It does not receive any and all light, and remains in a state of deep darkness. Nothing, no matter how advanced machines become, can detect its existence. It could be an alien world beyond the edge, a planet of darkness and Pitch Black, a palace of the God who reigned over the Deep Continent, or an eternal prison where darkness is banished. Naturally, very few who believe in it exists. Few who have heard of it.
Even now in the 20th century, its existence is only praised in a part of the occult as the Pitch Black World, the Dark Universe of the End, the Dark Palace, the Event Horizon, and it was simply called Sharnoth. But there was no difference from each other.
Thus, let us examine words that have not yet been known──
Words of the Dark World──
Words of the Universe of the End──
Words from the ends of the Earth── Shikkoku no Sharnoth: Black Voice
M is the Pitch Black which encompasses the universe, one of the 3 elements that make it up along with time and space
She left several chilling incantations about various evil rituals and offerings, and one of the incantations, in Latin, sounded like someone's words that day.
*'Why'
*'Why'
*'Why'
*'Why Disappear'
*'Why Leave'
*'Why Crush'
*'Oh, Eyes!'
*'Oh, radiant!'
──'Oh, light!'
The content of these words is probably a record of the physics and motion of the times. To be exact, it was merely a record of the absolute scale of the event that shattered the stars beyond time and space, the supergravity that mercilessly penetrated the universe, which is impossible to speak of in the words of our humble humanity, and therefore meaningless, and yes, that's why a few years later an eccentric master's degree in eccentricity was written by an eccentric Aleister Crowley.
It didn't cause any surges. In the end, anyone who was a scientist, not to mention some others, would have figured out the meaning of "black needle".
[It is simply a record of phenomena, not a language of the gods of the deep universe.
It is a clue to the Big Crunch, an exploration of the Big Bang]
The Scholar's friend who was listening to him did not know what he meant by that.
Confused, he asked "Why do you say that when language as a physical phenomenon is so baffling?"
[Black. Darkness.
The existence of the Pitch Black ether that drifts between the planets.
It encompasses the entire universe, the very universe itself.
It is one of the three elements that make up the world along with time and space.]
*'Why'
*'Why'
*'Why'
*'Why Disappear'
*'Why Leave'
*'Why Crush'
*'Oh, Eyes!'
*'Oh, radiant!'
──'Oh, light!'
The content of these words is probably a record of the physics and motion of the times. To be exact, it was merely a record of the absolute scale of the event that shattered the stars beyond time and space, the supergravity that mercilessly penetrated the universe, which is impossible to speak of in the words of our humble humanity, and therefore meaningless, and yes, that's why a few years later an eccentric master's degree in eccentricity was written by an eccentric Aleister Crowley.
It didn't cause any surges. In the end, anyone who was a scientist, not to mention some others, would have figured out the meaning of "black needle".
[It is simply a record of phenomena, not a language of the gods of the deep universe.
It is a clue to the Big Crunch, an exploration of the Big Bang]
The Scholar's friend who was listening to him did not know what he meant by that.
Confused, he asked "Why do you say that when language as a physical phenomenon is so baffling?"
[Black. Darkness.
The existence of the Pitch Black ether that drifts between the planets.
It encompasses the entire universe, the very universe itself.
It is one of the three elements that make up the world along with time and space.]
Just based on these it would seem like he just operates on a universal scale, though i find the statement about "a record of the absolute scale of the event that shattered the stars beyond time and space" interesting, this is clearly referring to M.
Context here is that a witch spoke words which were beyond understanding (witches in verse use black magic which comes from M, so this makes sense), and later some scientist understood it, the words she spoke about disappearing and eyes, is all about M; the fact that he is a lonely king whose people left him, his obsession with the golden eyes etc, so this is a statement saying M is beyond time and space, and encompasses the universe.
Looking at what was said in Sharnoth, scans and what not are already on his profile, but this here is a good rundown; M is stated the same as Sharnoth, an infinite world of darkness.
Chapter 10 of Sharnoth also states he can rewrite all worlds, we limited this statement to just Sharnoth years ago (of which countless exist), when the full scope of the cosmology wasn't understood, but all worlds, means all worlds, not just Sharnoth.
Then we get to the Steampunk Series Fullvoice Reborn. This statement is why M is currently 2-A, lets re-look at it. This occurs as a result of a member of the Society talking about M's nature, here is the whole context
"The Black King..."
The light responds and announces a voice.
Softly, with a flicker of great interest. The light speaks, signaling its intentions, emitting a voice of mystery that is not properly a voice. Much like the light the lost sky once brought, something very different speaks.
Like a swaying illusion.
Like a crawling fantasy.
"What kind of person are they?"
"They are not human.
The Society has concluded that they are a highly conceptual entity."
"A concept?"
"Yes. That of Jet Black."
"Then it is only a metaphysical entity.
They are an illusion, something that should not have a physical effect on mankind and the world."
"Not really."
"?"
"That which is beyond comprehension.
That which is beyond human understanding.
If you call it an illusion, for example, then sure, that would be it."
The man shrugged his shoulders.
The gesture was much like the gestures of Engine factory workers swearing at the still engine smoke, but the soft light didn't even notice it.
"It's capable of making an influence. It's different.
Rather, it's something else.
On the contrary, everything could be a part of that reason and law. For example, in the distant past, beyond time, space, and causality, his "Jet Black" devoured several infinitely stacked, multilayered universes that multiply indefinitely. Or even that..."
"?"
"You won't be able to understand it.
It's impossible for you."- Steampunk Series Fullvoice Reborn: Sharnoth of the Jet Black
The light responds and announces a voice.
Softly, with a flicker of great interest. The light speaks, signaling its intentions, emitting a voice of mystery that is not properly a voice. Much like the light the lost sky once brought, something very different speaks.
Like a swaying illusion.
Like a crawling fantasy.
"What kind of person are they?"
"They are not human.
The Society has concluded that they are a highly conceptual entity."
"A concept?"
"Yes. That of Jet Black."
"Then it is only a metaphysical entity.
They are an illusion, something that should not have a physical effect on mankind and the world."
"Not really."
"?"
"That which is beyond comprehension.
That which is beyond human understanding.
If you call it an illusion, for example, then sure, that would be it."
The man shrugged his shoulders.
The gesture was much like the gestures of Engine factory workers swearing at the still engine smoke, but the soft light didn't even notice it.
"It's capable of making an influence. It's different.
Rather, it's something else.
On the contrary, everything could be a part of that reason and law. For example, in the distant past, beyond time, space, and causality, his "Jet Black" devoured several infinitely stacked, multilayered universes that multiply indefinitely. Or even that..."
"?"
"You won't be able to understand it.
It's impossible for you."- Steampunk Series Fullvoice Reborn: Sharnoth of the Jet Black
As can be seen here the context is that M is a metaphysical/conceptual entity to which one of the characters asks, if M is an illusion he should have no influence on reality right? The other character refutes that says he does, on the contrary everything could be apart of that reason/law, in other words M, he then goes on to give the example of beyond time, and space, M's "Jet Black" devouring several infinitely stacked, multilayered universes that multiply indefinitely
A little later down this same story, we get some more information
"This is a story of feelings from the distant Abyss.
These are the traces of the eyes that sought tomorrow.
At times, even when faced with the Jet Black that eats up all of the sky, it does not falter. It does not stop walking.
I will teach you the name of the dreadful Jet Black."
"The name of Jet Black. This is..."
"...beyond eternity and infinity. A world without light. Its name is Sharnoth of the Jet Black."- Steampunk Series Fullvoice Reborn: Sharnoth of the Jet Black
These are the traces of the eyes that sought tomorrow.
At times, even when faced with the Jet Black that eats up all of the sky, it does not falter. It does not stop walking.
I will teach you the name of the dreadful Jet Black."
"The name of Jet Black. This is..."
"...beyond eternity and infinity. A world without light. Its name is Sharnoth of the Jet Black."- Steampunk Series Fullvoice Reborn: Sharnoth of the Jet Black
It states essentially that M is beyond infinity, which considering the previous context makes perfect sense. M is beyond the infinity of infinite universes.
After posting this thread and reading some more stories I found another interesting statement about M. It states that M is a transcendent being of the outer universe
Did you go to the moon?
How could such a thing be possible?
It was impossible.
It has been a long time since we have been denied the ethereal oceans of fantastical fiction that floated in faraway galaxies, but what we have instead learned about outer space is the cold, stern fact that it is nothing but an infinite darkness of death. People may be able to fly through the dark clouds with an engine airship, but even if they are able to penetrate the eternal gray clouds that have been darkened since the last century by the developed Steam Engine civilization, they will not be able to go out into space.
The world of the stars is the darkness of infinite death, or as some occultists I know would describe it, the black garden of death, stagnation, an eternal infinity filled with dark matter that constitutes the fearsome Black King, the transcendent being of the outer universe.- Ulthar Thoughts (Mushoku no Ulthar - END of the Shining World)
How could such a thing be possible?
It was impossible.
It has been a long time since we have been denied the ethereal oceans of fantastical fiction that floated in faraway galaxies, but what we have instead learned about outer space is the cold, stern fact that it is nothing but an infinite darkness of death. People may be able to fly through the dark clouds with an engine airship, but even if they are able to penetrate the eternal gray clouds that have been darkened since the last century by the developed Steam Engine civilization, they will not be able to go out into space.
The world of the stars is the darkness of infinite death, or as some occultists I know would describe it, the black garden of death, stagnation, an eternal infinity filled with dark matter that constitutes the fearsome Black King, the transcendent being of the outer universe.- Ulthar Thoughts (Mushoku no Ulthar - END of the Shining World)
Ulthar takes place in a parallel world, the fact that M is again stated be the infinite darkness of this world, while also being a transcendent being from outside it, basically puts everything together. The previous statements about M being the darkness of the universe, a trait along with space-time, is true, but he isn't limited to 1 universe, he is in fact the darkness of all universes, everything is apart of M. He is a transcendent being, who transcends the time and space of infinite universe.
TLDR:
- M is the infinite darkness that is beyond the infinity of infinite universes
- Infinite universes are just part of/encompassed by M, who exists beyond time and space
- M is a transcendent being from the outer universe, who exist as the infinite darkness, present in all universes.
M's Tiering
This is an interesting topic, I don't claim to be a Tier 1 expert, so this could go either way, but the argument for Low 1-C I suppose is that M is the dark universe itself, which is infinitely beyond infinite universes, and is a transcendent being, who is beyond time and space itself, with infinite universes being embedded/part of the bigger universe that is Sharnoth.
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