So can Kanoh and show me him fighting effectively with heavy brain damage. That doesn't really matter in the long run as type 2 immortality and Low-Mid don't prevent Knock out's, which is something Kanoh can do with a Dragon Shot Fa Jin right to his chin, rattling the brain and inducing a instant concussion.
Kaneki will be fighting with his Kagune so he will have to deal with that first before actually landing an hit on him
Very potent Analytical Prediction takes care of that, before Kaneki can attack Kanoh will have the advantage when it comes to reacting and moving first. His Kagune doesn't have crazy AoE, it has range but not AoE which prohibits Kanoh from dodging.
This happens right after this and the quinque is also negging his regen
Bruh first he mispronounces Kanaki....NOW ME!?
In the last scan he isn't being cut everywhere, mainly his torso and limbs. His head on the other hand was perfectly intact.
sorry penguin man.
He didn't regenerate from it not in the actual battle (mostly because his regen was being negated so we will never know if he actually could regenerate from it) he fought with the brain damage
Did he not come back with the wounds healed up at a later point?
Dragon Shot increases Agito AP, and by combining and Kanoh by switching to Martial arts increases his reaction speed from Formless up to 6x times. Also another thing to note, 100% Lu Tain was 3x faster than before, who was comparable to Kanoh's himself and he still kept up just fine. So unless Kaneki's amps make him more than 3x faster and stronger than Kanoh then he should still be able to manage.
No
Their is no number for kakuja amps just upscaling but since Kaneki already has a minor ap advantage the amps should somewhat help make up for the skill difference and the scan makes it look like the guy can't keep using formless alongside with the 6x speed amp that should allow for Kaneki's analytical prediction and limited power mimicry to work for a short period of time. Kaneki can also further amp himself by eating parts of his opponent too and also with his rpl
I wouldn't even call it minor, it's basically non existent due to Dragon Shot and this being Omega Kanoh. Also I doubt the amps will help him here.
This is a weakness from KAT Kanoh who at the time didn't eliminate this weakness by combining Formless and Martial arts together during his match with Gensai. This is Omega Kanoh who no longer has this weakness and has only improved since then.
Read above and even then Kaneki would get stomped if he tries copying any of Kanoh's Martial arts, as he's comparable to Gensai's Martial art skill. Both of these combatants are leagues and bounds above anything in Tokyo Ghoul, Kanoh's Martial arts being a conglomerate of hundreds of Martial Art schools, both of these guys having Martial arts that takes dozens of years to master of training and conditioning.
Foresight kinda negates this, and Kanoh has rpl as well but his also allows him to create effective countermeasures against his opponent.
I've already provided evidence, your just being ignorant of said evidence to be frank. No such style such as Formless exist in TG and nobody remotely as skilled exist as Kanoh exist in TG.
Which he can already do, eye gouging, Fa Jin's, etc. Foresight and Martial art's reaction amp give Kanoh an overwhelming advantage in close quarters and even at a distance.
Arima isn't nearly as skilled as Kanoh or Gensai, they might have their bare hands but that's all they need. Kanoh will always be ahead of Kaneki due to Foresight allowing him to react first, and Kanoh can jump.
Anime isn't canon, and if Kanoh get that close to him Kaneki is getting his neck snapped.
That doesn't matter as again, they still have a trajectory that Kanoh can read ahead of time based on a multitude of factors. Agito's Foresight is comparable to Gensai's Foresight which can predict things from any angle, FTE to him and can work on Kanoh's Formless despite his resistance. Gensai has also predicted attacks that are ever changing in terms of trajectory and made by faster opponents such as Ohma and Kiryu.
Not qutie, Kanoh already has counter measures to Kaneki's range.
I beg to differ.
Bando's Arm Whips, Ohma's Swimming Swallow, and Kiryu's Mangaling of the Fox all beg to differ with that first part. Secondly Gensai already countered Ohma's Flickering Flame and Flash Fire which revolve around engulfing the opponent's space via after image creation. Kanoh would read ahead and bail before Kaneki can attack him and take cover accordingly.
Dragon Shot is a point blank Fa Jin which has only ever been dodged by those with tremendous levels of Prediction so that's incorrect. Kaneki isn't avoiding a point blank Dragon Shot whenever even people like Gensai had difficulty in doing so. Lu Tain was also 3x faster than Kanoh and 3x stronger, while also being vastly more skilled than the likes of Kaneki was unable to avoid Kanoh's Dragon Shot.
Kanoh isn't stupid, he'd realize quite quickly that Kaneki is recovering from his attacks so he'd resort to countering him with a Dragon's Shot.
Does that in manga too
Again this doesn't counter my point.
I don't need to, Agito has tactics to get around those with higher LS and higher LS won't allow you to automatically break free from a choke-hold.
None of which are are unpredictable as Formless.
And yet he was able to react to Kaneki's attacks and dodge them. Kanoh is more skilled, has Foresight and can increase his reaction speed.
That doesn't really matter, what matters is the trajectory, and Kanoh can read said trajectory. Swimming Swallow changes trajectory with each blow and deals blows from multiple angles.
Via Foresight and jumping out of the holes of said cage just like how Arima did.
If he's in close range of Kanoh then he isn't avoiding anything of Kanoh's attacks in CQC. Those with much more potent Analytical Prediction have issues with dealing damage to Kanoh's Formless + Foresight combination. He's much more skilled, has Foresight and can increase his reaction speed. Before Kaneki could even move Kanoh would have seen what he's about to do and proceeds to wreck him.
Case by case basis, Agito's chokeholds don't require him to overpower his opponent, matter of fact that's the entire point of chokeholds to begin with. Agito can avoid the Kagune via Foresight. Now telll me, how does Kaneki get around Analytical Prediction and Formless?
He doesn't need to, Kaneki doesn't just magically gain attacks that lack intent or trajectory.
Yeah calling BS on this considering even those like Ohma and Kiryu with their insane footwork, Body Control and flexibility are unable to counter Formless.
Not really, the range they cover isn't massive you make it seem as if Kaneki is nuking the entire area whenever he isn't. Kanoh can predict ahead of time and bounce before it happens or as it's happening.
Which is BS, Kaneki doesn't have a ridiculous amount of AoE and even his cage attack leaves big enough holes for Kanoh to leap through.
Ryuki, Inaba, early contenders in Kengan are capable of doing the same thing so this isn't an issue for Kanoh and given Foresight Kanoh can seal this via blocking off where Kaneki wants to go.
Kanoh doesn't look into the future so this is irrelevant, Kanoh basis his Prediction based upon the intent and can view upwards to 10+ moves in advance. The first one might take him for surprise but afterwards he'd Predict them just fine. Kaneki isn't resistant to Analytical Prediction let's not act like he is.
And as he's doing so he can take over, dodge and so on and so forth. This is blatant downplay tbh.
Oneshoted Eto, which weighs 17.3 Tons of TNT.
Kaneki does not need to use his arms, elbows and legs to release from the grip. It is enough for him to release kagune from his back, which will tear Kanoh or make holes in his body. Moreover, he can wrap his kagune around Agito and start strangling him.
It is enough for him to grab his fingers or kagune in his hands to pull them aside.
You don't need to go for the back to get someone in a choke-hold.
Doesn't matter, Agito and Gensai as I stated above have no blind spots for Kaneki to attack Kanoh from. Kaneki isn't faster than Kanoh and his attacks still travel.
They aren't much different, Ohma's and Kiryu's stuff are actually changing trajectory consistently so it's even better given that fact + the precision.
It's AoE isn't enough to cover enough distance that Kanoh cannot jump.
Agito has already crowned on those with impressive levels of Instinctive Reaction so Kagune defense shouldn't be much different.
The highlighted part is all that I need to say here. Kagune's aren't resistant to Analytical Prediction, they get Predicted.
Kanoh has a very similar scaling chain as I've shown above. 16 tons comes from a weaker KAT Wakatsuki who Omega Kanon scales above and much higher via Dragon Shot. And Kanoh also has his own reaction speed amp which hasn't even been addressed.
Getting a chokehold without getting on your opponents back is very easy, something that Kanoh is more than capable of doing.
The first half is fair but that doesn't mean Kanoh can't resort to hit and run tactics. And his Kagune definitely isn't tagging Kanoh's Foresight ability.
So can Swimming Swallow and Mangaling of the Fox.
Underground attacks isn't optimal as Kanoh would notice trembles on the earth and dodge accordingly.
This isn't even remotely comparable to even what Fodder in Kengan are capable of. Ohma was doing this and much more impressive during his fight against Medicine Man.This is what Kaneki is doing at its earliest stages and it already shows that Kaneki's mobility will allow him to evade Kanoh attacks. He does all this with his eyes closed, being blinded and will come under attack to take the enemy in a soft grip.
Yeah and absolutely nothing Matasaka can do is remotely as comparable to the likes of Kanoh, Gensai and such.
Which again, is something dozens of Kengan characters are already capable. Namely anyone notable has some levels of precognition.
Indestructible and going limp basically do the same thing.
That's not a Fa Jin that's just him having an AP advantage over Ken.
Kanoh absolutely clowns on them both in terms of skill.
Kanoh has more than enough Foresight so see that coming and avoid it.
No mobility meaning? Kanoh will have more than enough mobility, that's a major aspect of Formless. Elaborate further if you would.
Doesn't matter much they're still changing trajectory and coming from different areas, and much less skilled people such as Hatsumi Sen was able to dodge Bando's Arm Whips which bend and increase in length.
Who said Kanoh was going to parry? He wouldn't do something as stupid as that, he'd avoid it all together by dodging. He can read 10+ moves ahead of Kaneki before he can even move.
The last person who did so also took her sweet time and didn't have Foresight. Kanoh would simply retreat and take cover.
Grabbing Kanoh is going to be a lot more difficult than you assume, Foresight + Formless.
They still work on the same principl, i.e changing trajectory.
Flair??? What? Kanoh's senses should be comparable to Ohma's own Kinetic vision who's senses are good enough to see the flow of power, visualize his opponents and hear their movements despite being poisoned, blinded and having his hearing disoriented.
That's not exactly true, Kanoh has never fought against anyone utilizing said shaking against him.
Ryuki, Inaba, etc. Kanoh's and Gensai's are good enough to create after-images.
Feats and scaling, he quite literally doesn't have anything impressive in terms of skill in comparison to Kengan Ashura.
They don't need to be calm and Kanoh remained calm after Lu's Guihun and Formless reveal, being calm is literally apart of his personality.
Not in comparison to Kanoh.
Blatant strawman, I never said anything about a gap that big.
Wakatsuki in canon isn't considered to be a great martial artist so false comparison.
Yes he absolutely does, give me a single feat from him that even remotely compares whenever this is literal fodder in Kengan ashura?
Which he can do.
