8-B Tournament Round 3, Match 1: Optimus Prime (2007 DS Game) vs Ken Kaneki

[RandomGuy2345]

The first and only matchup in the 3rd round of the 8-B tournament!

Optimus Prime (@Shadyboi0) vs Ken Kaneki (@Sero)

Post Cochlea Kaneki will be used.

Speed is equalized.

Fight takes place in Tokyo.

Kaneki: 1 (NikHelton)

Prime: 7 (azontr, XSOULOFCINDERX, Razor, Popted2, Harith0cell, Nierre, Emirp sumitpo)

 

[CrystalValley]

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Hello, fellow look-alike.

 

[Sero]

I AM HERE!

 

[JustANormalLemon]

ok, first of all, what is the AP diference?

 

[RandomGuy2345]

ok, first of all, what is the AP diference?

I believe Kaneki is 17.4 tons, and Optimus is ~75.5 tons.

Kaneki's RPL will close the gap, plus his Low-mid regen and Pain Tolerance makes him a tough opponent to kill.

 

[Nicetoderp]

Following

 

[JustANormalLemon]

I believe Kaneki is 17.4 tons, and Optimus is ~75.5 tons.

Kaneki's RPL will close the gap, plus his Low-mid regen and Pain Tolerance makes him a tough opponent to kill.

so a 4x gap in AP

 

[RandomGuy2345]

so a 4x gap in AP

To be specific, a ~4.34x AP gap, but it becomes lower due to Kaneki's RPL.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

ok, how kaneki respond to granade lunchers?

 

[RandomGuy2345]

ok, how kaneki respond to granade lunchers?

Dodging?

I mean, he has Acrobatics, and Information Analysis and Power Mimicry, which can make him predict and potentially learning Optimus' techniques, though I doubt he will learn Optimus' way of fighting, but he can certainly predict his movements.

 

[Shadyboi0]

First time being active in these threads involving OP.


Prime could range spam, that 4.34x AP difference will hurt. idk if he could spam both Ion blaster and grenade launcher but if so,

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

If Optimus hits him even once, he ******* explodes since Optimus is Stronger than Ironhide who is equal to Base Starscream who One-Shot Blackout who can casually stomp 34 Ton Drones in groups.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

If Optimus hits him even once, he ******* explodes since Optimus is Stronger than Ironhide who is equal to Base Starscream who One-Shot Blackout who can casually stomp 34 Ton Drones in groups.

Would RPL, Low-mid, and Pain Tolerance help Kaneki here?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I believe that Kaneki AP should be upscaled from 17+ Tons, so the gap isn't that massive

 

[AnonymousBlank]

What Vel said. Kaneki scales to casually one shotting the 17 tons and has his Kakuja on top of that for higher AP and dura.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Bump

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

What Vel said. Kaneki scales to casually one shotting the 17 tons and has his Kakuja on top of that for higher AP and dura.

Can you prove that it equals 34 Tons? If not, then Optimus literally causes him to explode from the sheer AP Difference if he manages to hit him.

 

[NikHelton]

Kaneki oneshoted character with a feat of 17 tons, being wounded << Kaneki in the base, who ate her kakuho << Kaneki Reaper Kakuja <<< Kaneki One-Eyed King << Kaneki is the final kakuja (not Post-Dragon).

I can't say exactly in numbers what his AP will be, but it should be 3-4 times higher than the feat performed by Eto

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Kaneki oneshoted character with a feat of 17 tons, being wounded << Kaneki in the base, who ate her kakuho << Kaneki Reaper Kakuja <<< Kaneki One-Eyed King << Kaneki is the final kakuja (not Post-Dragon).

I can't say exactly in numbers what his AP will be, but it should be 3-4 times higher than the feat performed by Eto

That's literally not how it works unless there's a stated Multiplier in the works here or a higher Calc for the stronger characters. That's just a bunch of unquantifiable increases.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

That's literally not how it works unless there's a stated Multiplier in the works here or a higher Calc for the stronger characters. That's just a bunch of unquantifiable increases.

We can definitely say he's >>>>17 tons. I don't think Optimus can harm him, especially with Low-mid regen, Pain Tolerance, and RPL.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Optimus can definitely harm him

 

[Razor]

Optimus most definitely upscales from his value more than kaneki does, So kaneki oneshots someone with a 17 ton feat meanwhile optimus is stronger than someone who one shots someone who can stomp 34 ton drones in groups, not individually.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Literally if Optimus touches this man, he's gonna ******* explode.

 

[NikHelton]

Well, if that's what you want multipliers.
Kaneki oneshoted, a character with a capacity of 17 tons. In this case, it should be at least 2 times stronger, but round up to 30 tons. Strength depends on the number of RC cells. Kaneki devours Eto's kakuja, thus further increasing his strength by 17 tons. Thus, it has a strength of 47 tons. However, with this strength, he cannot do anything against Arima, then becomes equal with him, and then gets kakuja, which increases the ghoul's strength and speed at times (this is literally their ultimate ability, which allows them to defeat opponents that surpassed their base), so that we take a factor of 1.5 at least. The output is 70.5 tons.

In general, this is all very strange to calculate and we cannot know for sure. At the start of the battle, Optimus has a higher AP.
But it is worth noting that Kaneki has grown incredibly since the days when he could defeat 17 tons of TNT character with one hit.

 

[Razor]

We can definitely say he's >>>>17 tons. I don't think Optimus can harm him, especially with Low-mid regen, Pain Tolerance, and RPL.

Pain tolerance doesn't stop you from getting hurt, Someone with pain tolerance is taking the same amount of damage as someone without it, its just that the person with pain tolerance won't be bothered much, And RPL Takes time to kick in, For kaneki's case Idk how fast it can cover a gap like this, and low-mid is fair but it won't stop optimus from being able to kill him with AP, Especially at the start where kaneki's RPL Hasn't kicked in yet

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Well, if that's what you want multipliers.
Kaneki oneshoted, a character with a capacity of 17 tons. In this case, it should be at least 2 times stronger, but round up to 30 tons. Strength depends on the number of RC cells. Kaneki devours Eto's kakuja, thus further increasing his strength by 17 tons. Thus, it has a strength of 47 tons. However, with this strength, he cannot do anything against Arima, then becomes equal with him, and then gets kakuja, which increases the ghoul's strength and speed at times (this is literally their ultimate ability, which allows them to defeat opponents that surpassed their base), so that we take a factor of 1.5 at least. The output is 70.5 tons.

In general, this is all very strange to calculate and we cannot know for sure. At the start of the battle, Optimus has a higher AP.
But it is worth noting that Kaneki has grown incredibly since the days when he could defeat 17 tons of TNT character with one hit.

We literally can't do that unless those Multipliers are stated in the actual series.

 

[NikHelton]

Optimus most definitely upscales from his value more than kaneki does, So kaneki oneshots someone with a 17 ton feat meanwhile optimus is stronger than someone who one shots someone who can stomp 34 ton drones in groups, not individually.

Needless to say, this goes beyond 8-B and the tournament?

 

[NikHelton]

We literally can't do that unless those Multipliers are stated in the actual series.

Kaneki eats kakuja Eto's, thus increasing its 17 +++ tons by another 17 tons.
This is the only multiplier I can give

 

[Razor]

Needless to say, this goes beyond 8-B and the tournament?

8-B Can go up to 100 tons, Optimus just massively massively upscales from 30 tons

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

8-B Can go up to 100 tons, Optimus just massively massively upscales from 30 tons

No, Optimus upscales from 75 Tons but he's not massively superior to it. The problem is the fact that the 75 Tonner who did the Feat beat someone who One-Shot someone who stomps groups of 34 Tonners.

 

[Razor]

No, Optimus upscales from 75 Tons but he's not massively superior to it. The problem is the fact that the 75 Tonner who did the Feat beat someone who One-Shot someone who stomps groups of 34 Tonners.

Ahh my bad, yeah thats dangerous for kaneki then, Since 34 is exactly 2x of 17 and optimus can beat someone who stomps groups of 34 tonners

 

[NikHelton]

To be stronger than the one who oneshoted the one who stomps 34 tons is already more than 100 tons.
You cannot stomp someone if your difference in strength is only 30%. You cannot oneshoted someone if your difference in strength is only 50%.

According to a given chain, Optimus must exceed 34 tons at least 3 times, which is already 8-A

 

[NikHelton]

Kaneki eats kakuja Eto's, thus increasing its 17 +++ tons by another 17 tons.
This is the only multiplier I can give

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[XSOULOFCINDERX]

To be stronger than the one who oneshoted the one who stomps 34 tons is already more than 100 tons.
You cannot stomp someone if your difference in strength is only 30%. You cannot oneshoted someone if your difference in strength is only 50%.

According to a given chain, Optimus must exceed 34 tons at least 3 times, which is already 8-A

That's literally not how our Upscaling rules work.

 

[Razor]

To be stronger than the one who oneshoted the one who stomps 34 tons is already more than 100 tons.
You cannot stomp someone if your difference in strength is only 30%. You cannot oneshoted someone if your difference in strength is only 50%.

According to a given chain, Optimus must exceed 34 tons at least 3 times, which is already 8-A

Thats not how it works.

Kaneki eats kakuja Eto's, thus increasing its 17 +++ tons by another 17 tons.
This is the only multiplier I can give

I'm not familiar with TG but is there confirmation that the RC Cells got transferred? But even then, alr lets say kaneki is 34 tons, optimus stomps someone who can stomp groups of 34 tonners like kaneki, so he'd still be massively above him

 

[Sero]

They have the same lifting strength....does reactive power level raise kanaki's lifting strength?

 

[NikHelton]

This is dry logic. Scale scale up to 37 tons, or scale up to 37 tons and a little higher. The second option comes from your judgments that scaling doesn't work that way. However, on what grounds in this case does Optimus blow up Kaneki with a touch if it scales from only 34 tons.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Is Optimus even allowed in this tourney? Like, that's dangerously close to the AP limit I set for this tournament (82.5 tons).

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Is Optimus even allowed in this tourney? Like, that's dangerously close to the AP limit I set for this tournament (82.5 tons).

He unquantifiably upscales from 75 Tons.