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8-B Tournament Round 3, Match 1: Optimus Prime (2007 DS Game) vs Ken Kaneki

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The first and only matchup in the 3rd round of the 8-B tournament!

Optimus Prime (@Shadyboi0) vs Ken Kaneki (@Sero)

Post Cochlea Kaneki will be used.

Speed is equalized.

Fight takes place in Tokyo.

Kaneki: 1 (NikHelton)

Prime: 7 (azontr, XSOULOFCINDERX, Razor, Popted2, Harith0cell, Nierre, Emirp sumitpo)

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ok, how kaneki respond to granade lunchers?
Dodging?

I mean, he has Acrobatics, and Information Analysis and Power Mimicry, which can make him predict and potentially learning Optimus' techniques, though I doubt he will learn Optimus' way of fighting, but he can certainly predict his movements.
 
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First time being active in these threads involving OP.


Prime could range spam, that 4.34x AP difference will hurt. idk if he could spam both Ion blaster and grenade launcher but if so,😬
 

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If Optimus hits him even once, he fucking explodes since Optimus is Stronger than Ironhide who is equal to Base Starscream who One-Shot Blackout who can casually stomp 34 Ton Drones in groups.
 

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If Optimus hits him even once, he fucking explodes since Optimus is Stronger than Ironhide who is equal to Base Starscream who One-Shot Blackout who can casually stomp 34 Ton Drones in groups.
Would RPL, Low-mid, and Pain Tolerance help Kaneki here?
 

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What Vel said. Kaneki scales to casually one shotting the 17 tons and has his Kakuja on top of that for higher AP and dura.
Can you prove that it equals 34 Tons? If not, then Optimus literally causes him to explode from the sheer AP Difference if he manages to hit him.
 
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Kaneki oneshoted character with a feat of 17 tons, being wounded << Kaneki in the base, who ate her kakuho << Kaneki Reaper Kakuja <<< Kaneki One-Eyed King << Kaneki is the final kakuja (not Post-Dragon).

I can't say exactly in numbers what his AP will be, but it should be 3-4 times higher than the feat performed by Eto
 

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Kaneki oneshoted character with a feat of 17 tons, being wounded << Kaneki in the base, who ate her kakuho << Kaneki Reaper Kakuja <<< Kaneki One-Eyed King << Kaneki is the final kakuja (not Post-Dragon).

I can't say exactly in numbers what his AP will be, but it should be 3-4 times higher than the feat performed by Eto
That's literally not how it works unless there's a stated Multiplier in the works here or a higher Calc for the stronger characters. That's just a bunch of unquantifiable increases.
 

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That's literally not how it works unless there's a stated Multiplier in the works here or a higher Calc for the stronger characters. That's just a bunch of unquantifiable increases.
We can definitely say he's >>>>17 tons. I don't think Optimus can harm him, especially with Low-mid regen, Pain Tolerance, and RPL.
 
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Optimus most definitely upscales from his value more than kaneki does, So kaneki oneshots someone with a 17 ton feat meanwhile optimus is stronger than someone who one shots someone who can stomp 34 ton drones in groups, not individually.
 
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Well, if that's what you want multipliers.
Kaneki oneshoted, a character with a capacity of 17 tons. In this case, it should be at least 2 times stronger, but round up to 30 tons. Strength depends on the number of RC cells. Kaneki devours Eto's kakuja, thus further increasing his strength by 17 tons. Thus, it has a strength of 47 tons. However, with this strength, he cannot do anything against Arima, then becomes equal with him, and then gets kakuja, which increases the ghoul's strength and speed at times (this is literally their ultimate ability, which allows them to defeat opponents that surpassed their base), so that we take a factor of 1.5 at least. The output is 70.5 tons.

In general, this is all very strange to calculate and we cannot know for sure. At the start of the battle, Optimus has a higher AP.
But it is worth noting that Kaneki has grown incredibly since the days when he could defeat 17 tons of TNT character with one hit.
 
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We can definitely say he's >>>>17 tons. I don't think Optimus can harm him, especially with Low-mid regen, Pain Tolerance, and RPL.
Pain tolerance doesn't stop you from getting hurt, Someone with pain tolerance is taking the same amount of damage as someone without it, its just that the person with pain tolerance won't be bothered much, And RPL Takes time to kick in, For kaneki's case Idk how fast it can cover a gap like this, and low-mid is fair but it won't stop optimus from being able to kill him with AP, Especially at the start where kaneki's RPL Hasn't kicked in yet
 

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Well, if that's what you want multipliers.
Kaneki oneshoted, a character with a capacity of 17 tons. In this case, it should be at least 2 times stronger, but round up to 30 tons. Strength depends on the number of RC cells. Kaneki devours Eto's kakuja, thus further increasing his strength by 17 tons. Thus, it has a strength of 47 tons. However, with this strength, he cannot do anything against Arima, then becomes equal with him, and then gets kakuja, which increases the ghoul's strength and speed at times (this is literally their ultimate ability, which allows them to defeat opponents that surpassed their base), so that we take a factor of 1.5 at least. The output is 70.5 tons.

In general, this is all very strange to calculate and we cannot know for sure. At the start of the battle, Optimus has a higher AP.
But it is worth noting that Kaneki has grown incredibly since the days when he could defeat 17 tons of TNT character with one hit.
We literally can't do that unless those Multipliers are stated in the actual series.
 
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Optimus most definitely upscales from his value more than kaneki does, So kaneki oneshots someone with a 17 ton feat meanwhile optimus is stronger than someone who one shots someone who can stomp 34 ton drones in groups, not individually.
Needless to say, this goes beyond 8-B and the tournament?
 

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8-B Can go up to 100 tons, Optimus just massively massively upscales from 30 tons
No, Optimus upscales from 75 Tons but he's not massively superior to it. The problem is the fact that the 75 Tonner who did the Feat beat someone who One-Shot someone who stomps groups of 34 Tonners.
 
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To be stronger than the one who oneshoted the one who stomps 34 tons is already more than 100 tons.
You cannot stomp someone if your difference in strength is only 30%. You cannot oneshoted someone if your difference in strength is only 50%.

According to a given chain, Optimus must exceed 34 tons at least 3 times, which is already 8-A
 

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To be stronger than the one who oneshoted the one who stomps 34 tons is already more than 100 tons.
You cannot stomp someone if your difference in strength is only 30%. You cannot oneshoted someone if your difference in strength is only 50%.

According to a given chain, Optimus must exceed 34 tons at least 3 times, which is already 8-A
That's literally not how our Upscaling rules work.
 
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To be stronger than the one who oneshoted the one who stomps 34 tons is already more than 100 tons.
You cannot stomp someone if your difference in strength is only 30%. You cannot oneshoted someone if your difference in strength is only 50%.

According to a given chain, Optimus must exceed 34 tons at least 3 times, which is already 8-A
Thats not how it works.
Kaneki eats kakuja Eto's, thus increasing its 17 +++ tons by another 17 tons.
This is the only multiplier I can give
I'm not familiar with TG but is there confirmation that the RC Cells got transferred? But even then, alr lets say kaneki is 34 tons, optimus stomps someone who can stomp groups of 34 tonners like kaneki, so he'd still be massively above him
 
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They have the same lifting strength....does reactive power level raise kanaki's lifting strength?
 
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This is dry logic. Scale scale up to 37 tons, or scale up to 37 tons and a little higher. The second option comes from your judgments that scaling doesn't work that way. However, on what grounds in this case does Optimus blow up Kaneki with a touch if it scales from only 34 tons.
 

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Is Optimus even allowed in this tourney? Like, that's dangerously close to the AP limit I set for this tournament (82.5 tons).
 
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Thats not how it works.

I'm not familiar with TG but is there confirmation that the RC Cells got transferred? But even then, alr lets say kaneki is 34 tons, optimus stomps someone who can stomp groups of 34 tonners like kaneki, so he'd still be massively above him
As Optimus tramples the characters of 34 tons, so Kaneki tramples the character of 17 tons, then becoming stronger several times in the same key.
Either we should just agree on the difference of AP by 2 times, or we rest on the fact that they will not be able to count
 
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As Optimus tramples the characters of 34 tons, so Kaneki tramples the character of 17 tons, then becoming stronger several times in the same key.
Either we should just agree on the difference of AP by 2 times, or we rest on the fact that they will not be able to count
No we shouldn't, Optimus' scaling chain is larger, he can stomp someone who can stomp groups of 34 tonners, not just one person thats 34 tons
 

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But why though? It's not like he stomps everyone in the tournament. His One-Shot chain starts at someone who stomps 34 Tonners in groups with an unquantifiable Strength Difference.
It's not that he stomps everyone, It's that 82.5 tons was the AP limit I set for the tourney. Anyone who is above that cannot be allowed.
 
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No we shouldn't, Optimus' scaling chain is larger, he can stomp someone who can stomp groups of 34 tonners, not just one person thats 34 tons
Kaneki tramples on a character who showed 17 tons, and then takes away his strength, mutating in the process. Arima stomps this Kaneki, taking it for a feed. Kaneki uses a reactive power boost and becomes kakuja, forcing Arima to use her strongest weapon. Arima is stomps Kaneki again. Kaneki gets stronger and goes toe-to-toe with Arima. His kakuja mode makes him even stronger.
As a result, the Kaneki chain is no less long.
Just as the 17 tons character was stomped by Kaneki, so his stronger version is just fodder for the one-eyed king form and even more so kakuja
 

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Also aside from AP, optimus doesn't really have much going for him, he has like no OP hax and his regen is mid-low, so idk if he should get disqualified
I guess he can be allowed. I mean, he's virtually haxless, it's just that all of the opponents he has faced or on the lower end of 8-B. If he faced someone like Johnny who is 8-B+, it wouldn't look so bad.
 
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Kaneki tramples on a character who showed 17 tons, and then takes away his strength, mutating in the process. The same Kaneki tramples Arima, taking it for food. Kaneki uses a reactive power boost and becomes kakuja, forcing Arima to use her strongest weapon. Arima is trampling Kaneki again. Kaneki gets stronger and goes toe-to-toe with Arima. His kakuja mode makes him even stronger.
As a result, the Kaneki chain is no less long.
Just as the 17 tons character was trampled by Kaneki, so his stronger version is just fodder for the one-eyed king form and even more so kakuja
Ion get this, so multiple versions of kaneki is a part of the scaling chain not just the kaneki being used here?
 

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I think Optimus is okay to use. It's just that all the characters he has faced are on the lower end of 8-B.
 
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Ion get this, so multiple versions of kaneki is a part of the scaling chain not just the kaneki being used here?
Yes. Kaneki has such a strange chain consisting of himself, because he is constantly getting stronger as the story progresses, but is often trampled by stronger characters.
Kaneki defeating 17 tons with one punch and Kaneki before his transformation into a Dragon is just earth and sky
 
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Yes. Kaneki has such a strange chain consisting of himself, because he is constantly getting stronger as the story progresses, but is often trampled by stronger characters.
Kaneki defeating 17 tons with one punch and Kaneki before his transformation into a Dragon is just earth and sky
In that case the scaling chain is invalid then, as kaneki is restricted to one form here
 

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Yeah, Kaneki seems outmatched.

He has a few hax that'll make him last a bit longer, but it's not really gonna help, and it's more delaying the inevitable than actually benefiting him.
 
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The 8-B key does not imply only the form in which it is oneshoted 17 tons. The 8-B key includes the One-Eyed King and ends with his transformation into a Dragon
 

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Ngl, I'd be kinda pissed if Optimus won this tournament.

Bro legit Mickey Mouse'd his way to the semifinals. He faced no character with comparable AP, or even hax that'll help them out.
 
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In general, Kaneki is too agile to lose so easily to Optimus. He can maneuver around the enemy, simultaneously attacking him from under the ground with sharp tentacles, which, like games, can go through a gap in the Autobot's armor to weaken his limbs.

Scale scales up to 131 thousand tons, while the LS of Optimus scales up to 12 thousand tons. Thus, having a 10-fold advantage, Kaneki can simply tie the opponent's hands and feet in order to deliver the final blow later.
 
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