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8-B Tournament Round 3, Match 1: Optimus Prime (2007 DS Game) vs Ken Kaneki

In fact, I do not know where 5 people on Optimus came from. I suggest calling them here to read the latest messages about the victory scenario to confirm their choice.
 
NikHelton said:
In general, Kaneki is too agile to lose so easily to Optimus. He can maneuver around the enemy, simultaneously attacking him from under the ground with sharp tentacles, which, like games, can go through a gap in the Autobot's armor to weaken his limbs.

Scale scales up to 131 thousand tons, while the LS of Optimus scales up to 12 thousand tons. Thus, having a 10-fold advantage, Kaneki can simply tie the opponent's hands and feet in order to deliver the final blow later.
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Him being agile doesn't change the fact that prime can one tap him, he's not avoiding getting hit at least once. What's kaneki's fighting style BTW?

And does he grapple in character? And Grappling could be suicide since kaneki's basically giving optimus the chance to one tap him since if he grapples they would be in close range, which optimus can take advantage of and one tap kaneki
 
Razor said:
Nah, You guys are hating on a haxless character by winning due to AP, What yall want prime to do? Win via hax?
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1. They're mostly jokes, with some exceptions.

2. Optimus Mickey Mouse'd his way to the semifinals. He faced no one with comparable AP, and he faced no one with powerful enough hax to put up a fight.
 
Razor said:
Nah, You guys are hating on a haxless character by winning due to AP, What yall want prime to do? Win via hax?
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Woah there buddy, i don't think we're hating (Looks at Veloxt) Most of us at least, we're just trying to debate Kanaki to best we can
 
RandomGuy2345 said:
1. They're mostly jokes, with some exceptions.

2. Optimus Mickey Mouse'd his way to the semifinals. He faced no one with comparable AP, and he faced no one with powerful enough hax to put up a fight.
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1. yeayeah I'm joking as well

2. If he fought someone with comparable AP and some decent hax then he auto loses, since AP is the only thing he's got going for him
 
Razor said:
1. yeayeah I'm joking as well

2. If he fought someone with comparable AP and some decent hax then he auto loses, since AP is the only thing he's got going for him
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All of the characters he has faced so far are <34 tons, which was followed by the massive scaling chain for Optimus. None of the characters he faced stood a chance.
 
Razor said:
Him being agile doesn't change the fact that prime can one tap him, he's not avoiding getting hit at least once. What's kaneki's fighting style BTW?

And does he grapple in character? And Grappling could be suicide since kaneki's basically giving optimus the chance to one tap him since if he grapples they would be in close range, which optimus can take advantage of and one tap kaneki
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oneshoted needs a difference of 7.5 times. Both characters have long chains, the basic positions of which differ by 2 times.
Maybe you didn't see the message I sent, but there I explained why the Kaneki hook is not invalid, so the characters don't have such a huge gap.
And learning that Optimus is a pure AP without hax, and his opponent has much better maneuverability, higher LS and hax, then this turns into a battle for recognition.
 
NikHelton said:
oneshoted needs a difference of 7.5 times. Both characters have long chains, the basic positions of which differ by 2 times.
Maybe you didn't see the message I sent, but there I explained why the Kaneki hook is not invalid, so the characters don't have such a huge gap.
And learning that Optimus is a pure AP without hax, and his opponent has much better maneuverability, higher LS and hax, then this turns into a battle for recognition.
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If a character one shots a 34 ton character in their verse, then they can one shot someone who's 34 tons here without having to be 238 tons. As optimus one shotted someone who can stomp groups of 34 tonners, he'd be able to one shot kaneki no problem. LS Is suicide for kaneki, and no I didn't disregard your scaling chain, but even with that optimus can still one shot. He is agile but he's not preventing optimus from hitting him once. and what other hax can kaneki use here? His most prevalent haxes, RPL and Regen has already been brought up
 
Razor said:
If a character one shots a 34 ton character in their verse, then they can one shot someone who's 34 tons here without having to be 238 tons. As optimus one shotted someone who can stomp groups of 34 tonners, he'd be able to one shot kaneki no problem. LS Is suicide for kaneki, and no I didn't disregard your scaling chain, but even with that optimus can still one shot. He is agile but he's not preventing optimus from hitting him once. and what other hax can kaneki use here? His most prevalent haxes, RPL and Regen has already been brought up
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To oneshoted an opponent needs a 7.5x AP advantage. This is by the standards of this wiki and only applies to combat, not character scaling. Even if the Optimus were 80 tonnes it would not give him the option of a oneshoted Kaneki.
Moreover, he can survive after 1 attack, recover and level the score with the help of reactive evolution.
Kaneki can make decisive direct attacks when the opponent overpowers him. It was in the battle with Arima, when he distracted him and attacked from the blind spot, delivering a victorious blow, although before that he had only been defeated.

I'll answer everything else in the morning. Now I have 3 nights and I want to sleep. Goodnight.
 
NikHelton said:
To oneshoted an opponent needs a 7.5x AP advantage. This is by the standards of this wiki and only applies to combat, not character scaling. Even if the Optimus were 80 tonnes it would not give him the option of a oneshoted Kaneki.
Moreover, he can survive after 1 attack, recover and level the score with the help of reactive evolution.
Kaneki can make decisive direct attacks when the opponent overpowers him. It was in the battle with Arima, when he distracted him and attacked from the blind spot, delivering a victorious blow, although before that he had only been defeated.

I'll answer everything else in the morning. Now I have 3 nights and I want to sleep. Goodnight.
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Oh for ****'s sake, that's not how we treat In-Universe One-Shots. We only do that for characters that don't have Scaling Chains to rely on when the AP Gap is that big which is not what's happening here. Optimus is unquantifiably stronger than Ironhide who is on par with Base Starscream who One-Shot Blackout who casually ***** on groups of 34 Ton Drones at the same time. There is such a thing as different Upscaling rules for each verse, it's not all uniform with all the others.
 
NikHelton said:
To oneshoted an opponent needs a 7.5x AP advantage. This is by the standards of this wiki and only applies to combat, not character scaling. Even if the Optimus were 80 tonnes it would not give him the option of a oneshoted Kaneki.
Moreover, he can survive after 1 attack, recover and level the score with the help of reactive evolution.
Kaneki can make decisive direct attacks when the opponent overpowers him. It was in the battle with Arima, when he distracted him and attacked from the blind spot, delivering a victorious blow, although before that he had only been defeated.

I'll answer everything else in the morning. Now I have 3 nights and I want to sleep. Goodnight.
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We don't make someone 7x stronger than somebody they one shotted in their own verse, a character who can one shot a 34 tons character can also one shot a 34 tons character here without having to be 7x stronger, we can QnA this if you want, Also how is he surviving an attack? the gap is way too big and low-mid ain't covering it. And prime can simply barrage him with attacks. And are those said opponents capable of one shotting kaneki?
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Oh for ****'s sake, that's not how we treat In-Universe One-Shots. We only do that for characters that don't have Scaling Chains to rely on when the AP Gap is that big which is not what's happening here. Optimus is unquantifiably stronger than Ironhide who is on par with Base Starscream who One-Shot Blackout who casually ***** on groups of 34 Ton Drones at the same time. There is such a thing as different Upscaling rules for each verse, it's not all uniform with all the others.
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To be incomparably stronger than the one who oneshoted the one who stomps 34 tons is already beyond 8-B
 
I don't understand why this applies to Optimus, but does not apply to Kaneki, which also has a long chain? His chain also excludes the possibility of being killed by touch.
 
NikHelton said:
I don't understand why this applies to Optimus, but does not apply to Kaneki, which also has a long chain? His chain also excludes the possibility of being killed by touch.
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Wdym? What doesn't apply to kaneki?
 
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