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8-B Tournament Round 2, Match 2 (Redone): Ken Kaneki vs Killua Zoldyck

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The 2nd matchup in the 2nd round of the 8-B tournament is being redone due to many issues I'm too lazy to list.

Ken Kaneki (@Sero) vs Killua Zoldyck (@UchihaSlayer96).

Post Cochlea Kaneki and Chimera Ant Arc Killua will be used.

Speed is equalized.

Fight takes place in Tokyo.

Kaneki:

Killua: 2 (Razor, Rez)

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So what are the stats? Kaneki one taps 16 tons or so while Killua is ???, both have massive pain tolerance but Kaneki has regen to help out with the wounds that cause said pain, extra limbs greatly aid mobility and combat but Killua’s lightning Aura has paralysis I think, also speed amps him iirc. No clue on the skill and do either even have range options?
 
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I just noticed....Kanaki has resistance to electricity manipulation.......YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
 

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So what are the stats? Kaneki one taps 16 tons or so while Killua is ???, both have massive pain tolerance but Kaneki has regen to help out with the wounds that cause said pain, extra limbs greatly aid mobility and combat but Killua’s lightning Aura has paralysis I think, also speed amps him iirc. No clue on the skill and do either even have range options?
Killua's AP is 22.13 tons I believe.

Can't answer the other points you made.
 
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I mean speed amp is the biggest advantage Killua had, then again Kaneki RPL would kick in and render the blitz less effective

Skill-wise i think Killua is the one who had the advantage
 
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Killua would probably have "bloodlust" (As HxH calls it.) in his Aura here, right? Does Ken Kaneki have Resistance to that stuff, such as Fear Manipulation?

As for Killua's electricity, I'm not sure, but there is this:
Immense Pain Tolerance (Killua can bear very intense physical pain without his physical or mental abilities being impaired. He was tortured by Milluki for several weeks straight, found it amusing, and eventually fell asleep. He can withstand one million volts of electricity and only feel mild pain. He was able to formulate a plan while being grievously wounded by the Ortho Siblings including several organs)

That's from his Pre-Nen Base, several arcs before the Key (Chimera Ant & Election Arc) that's being used here. Since Killua usually gains his electricity via absorbing it from other sources (Like tasers or power outlets.), he should be able to tolerate similar amounts to what he doesn't feel much pain from. & being that he's much stronger, it's probably a lot higher.

So yeah, I don't recall how electricity output is measured, nor what his max charge or output should be for this key, but it seems like Killua should be able to store well over 1 million volts. If anyone else wants to weigh in on this, feel free.
 
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The bloodlust is came from Nen Crush, right? I heard he didn't use that in-characters
"Nen Crush" is a product of someone without (sufficient) Nen or equivalent being exposed to Nen that contains what HxH calls "bloodlust", IIRC. The victim's symptoms occur as a result of contact with the aura, which can occur if they're flaring it for techniques like Ren (A power-up technique.), En (A technique to expand your range of where your aura can sense.), or just them being too close, IIRC.

It's possible for it to be triggered involuntarily, if you have your aura flared or spread out because heat of battle or sensing or such. Or if it's like Neferpitou & Knov, where the former had Aura containing "bloodlust" but hadn't detected the latter until he [Knov] stepped in, yet Knov still suffered the side-effects.


While I don't deny the possibility, I don't know what the case for Killua not using Nen Crush IC-ly is.
Killua does Transmute his own Aura into Electricity, so that might dissuade him from spreading it out, but I don't know if that's actually the case for his characterization.
 
If we are using Dragon Kanei then the size of him should be taken into account, Kaneki's pain tolerance post Jason is insane, also his regeneration has shown to be high enough to heal a lost limb.
 

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Kaneki's electricity resistance comes from casually taking a hit from narukami's lighting bolt if those are similar to actual lighting his resistance should be superior to killua's electricity. The real problem here is nen crush since Kaneki doesn't resist fear manip or madness manip
 
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Isn’t the burden of proof for Killua to use a power not on the person claiming it will come into play? Unless someone can show Killua using Nen Crush, it wouldn’t actually matter here.
 
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Well, looking at the profile....

"Enhanced Fear Manipulation (Scared Rammot into paralysis and caused him to hallucinate even though Rammot is a powerful Nen user who is able to use Ten)"

That's from Killua's Chimera Ant/Election Arc Key. AKA, the Key being used in this match. I don't recall the context however. Was this done with Nen? Was it voluntary?
Anyone have scans?
 
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Wouldn't killua use his aura anyway after he sees kaneki eat the strongest thing in his arsenal?
 
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Wouldn't killua use his aura anyway after he sees kaneki eat the strongest thing in his arsenal?
I don't see why he wouldn't. His Intelligence section seems to imply Killua would be likely to make a "good" decision like that.
 
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Yeah and from reading kaneki's profile he doesn't seem to have anything that can one tap killua, plus killua is hella mobile, I see him taking the win due to his aura
 

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Yeah and from reading kaneki's profile he doesn't seem to have anything that can one tap killua, plus killua is hella mobile, I see him taking the win due to his aura
Kaneki is an very mobile fighter as well literally majority of his fights involves some form of advance Acrobatics and maneuvering throughout the battlefield with his Kagune also amps aren't that much of an problem either since Kagune and kakaju works as an amp and his rpl also helps
 
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Kaneki is an very mobile fighter as well literally majority of his fights involves some form of advance Acrobatics and maneuvering throughout the battlefield with his Kagune also amps aren't that much of an problem either since Kagune and kakaju works as an amp and his rpl also helps
None of those matter when killua can just fear and madness hax him at any point in the fight and will likely do so when he sees kaneki eat his lightning, Also there's still the problem of how good is kaneki's res compared to killua's lightning. How potent is kaneki's res?
 

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None of those matter when killua can just fear and madness hax him at any point in the fight and will likely do so when he sees kaneki eat his lightning, Also there's still the problem of how good is kaneki's res compared to killua's lightning. How potent is kaneki's res?
It's comes from eating a lighting bolt from narukami if the lighting is similar to real lighting it should be way superior to killua's electricity but if killua fear haxes he wins if he doesn't kaneki wins
 
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It's comes from eating a lighting bolt from narukami if the lighting is similar to real lighting it should be way superior to killua's electricity but if killua fear haxes he wins if he doesn't kaneki wins
Narukami does not have a profile so idk anything about him but why is his lightning being assumed as the same potency as real lightning here?
 

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Narukami does not have a profile so idk anything about him but why is his lightning being assumed as the same potency as real lightning here?
It's a weapon and I said if I am not sure about that either
 
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If we don't know how potent his electricity is then idk if we should assume its superior to killua's. Electricity is also kind of killua's main thing so I doubt his electricity is just regular electricity, Plus it sounds like ken just tanked the damage but killua's electricity doesn't just do damage they paralyze and stun too. Either way I see killua winning, If his lightning is superior to ken's res then he paralyzes with every attack, if its less potent than ken's res then he releases his aura after seeing ken tank his main thing
 

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If we don't know how potent his electricity is then idk if we should assume its superior to killua's. Electricity is also kind of killua's main thing so I doubt his electricity is just regular electricity, Plus it sounds like ken just tanked the damage but killua's electricity doesn't just do damage they paralyze and stun too. Either way I see killua winning, If his lightning is superior to ken's res then he paralyzes with every attack, if its less potent than ken's res then he releases his aura after seeing ken tank his main thing
If it works it will only be triggering his rpl since the more damaged he gets the more rc cells his body produces and also what can killua do against Ken's analytical prediction,stat amps,regen and type 2 immortality
 
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If it works it will only be triggering his rpl since the more damaged he gets the more rc cells his body produces and also what can killua do against Ken's analytical prediction,stat amps,regen and type 2 immortality
He can just keep on paralyzing him for an incap, Analytical prediction is neat but moot once he's paralyzed, stat amps also gets rendered useless, Once killua sees that kaneki just regens from everything he fear haxes him same case with type 2 immortality
 

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Also I think a lighting bolt is definitely gonna be more than 1 million volts
 
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Narukami's electricity manip wasn't stated to be a lightning bolt tho, It just said electricity
 

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He can just keep on paralyzing him for an incap, Analytical prediction is neat but moot once he's paralyzed, stat amps also gets rendered useless, Once killua sees that kaneki just regens from everything he fear haxes him same case with type 2 immortality
That requires catching him off-guard kaneki flights with his Kagune at mid range and is rather acrobatic too
 
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That requires catching him off-guard kaneki flights with his Kagune at mid range and is rather acrobatic too
It requires a touch, and killua is also hella mobile and acrobatic, A touch isn't asking much from killua imo
 

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Narukami's electricity manip wasn't stated to be a lightning bolt tho, It just said electricity
This is a bit more than just electricity (also this scan is from a different fight in this Kaneki was absolutely destroyed)
 

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It requires a touch, and killua is also hella mobile and acrobatic, A touch isn't asking much from killua imo
I will argue kaneki is the more mobile fighter here also he has the range advantage thanks to his Kagune and combine that with analytical prediction the single touch part is looking quite unlikely
 
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I will argue kaneki is the more mobile fighter also he has the range advantage thanks to his Kagune and combine that with analytical prediction the single touch part is looking quite unlikely
if killua can't even touch him ain't this a stomp? Also killua is a massive prodigy, His senses are nuts too, I'd argue he can land at least one touch, Plus he can turn his aura into electricity too so simply being close to kaneki is enough
 

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if killua can't even touch him ain't this a stomp? Also killua is a massive prodigy, His senses are nuts too, I'd argue he can land at least one touch, Plus he can turn his aura into electricity too so simply being close to kaneki is enough
Killua hasn't been shown to be capable of paralysing people with just transmuted aura and again kaneki flights with his Kagune which gives him an decent range advantage
 
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Killua hasn't been shown to be capable of paralysing people with just transmuted aura and again kaneki flights with his Kagune which gives him an decent range advantage
Does he keep range in character though? cause he shouldn't know killua can end him with one touch. Also I didn't know the electric aura part my bad. Also if killua can't hit him once ain't this a stomp?
 

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Does he keep range in character though? cause he shouldn't know killua can end him with one touch. Also I didn't know the electric aura part my bad. Also if killua can't hit him once ain't this a stomp?
He does actually unless he is forced into close quarters. No not really a stomp the hitting part is very unlikely but not impossible
 
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Kinda disagree on the part where killua can't touch him a single time, I think its likely but even then, if he sees that he can't touch this dude he'd just use fear hax won't he?
 

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Kinda disagree on the part where killua can't touch him a single time, I think its likely but even then, if he sees that he can't touch this dude he'd just use fear hax won't he?
Yeah he wins instantly if he fear haxes
 
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I give up, anyways. I have killua either way, Like I said if ken's res is less potent than killua's electricity then he either paralyzes with a touch or if he can't hit ken he'll eventually resort to fear hax. Same case with the other scenario tbh. Its just, Killua gets overwhelmed - Killua resorts to fear hax - killua wins
 

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Also killua actually has a limit on how electricity he can use he will eventually run out of nen so fear hax is his only wincon but if he runs out of nen he can't fear hax so it depends on which scenario is more likely to happen. Personally I agree with you killua wining via fear hax one way or another is more likely to happen
 
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Yeah, depends on how quickly he runs out, His intelligence is high so he should be able to deduce quickly that ken will likely best him if he doesn't use fear hax
Also killua actually has a limit on how electricity he can use he will eventually run out of nen so fear hax is his only wincon but if he runs out of nen he can't fear hax so it depends on which scenario is more likely to happen. Personally I agree with you killua wining via fear hax one way or another is more likely to happen
So do you two vote for Killua?
I do
 
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How strong is hax with insanity? Kaneki was eventually able to resist the madness that comes in the state of kakaja and was able to continue to fight when he fell into absolute despair, when even fear was not standing by.
 
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How strong is hax with insanity? Kanaki was eventually able to resist the madness that comes in the state of kakaja and was able to continue to fight when he fell into absolute despair, when even fear was not standing by.
There are 3 types of Madness Manipulation: Biology, Mind Manipulation, & Cognition (Madness induced from the nature of the being.), & from what I remember of Tokyo Ghoul (Cannibalistic, mutated humans with superpowers.), I would assume the Madness/Insanity induced by Kakaja is Biological.

Killua's quote for Fear Manipulation in his Powers & Abilities is:
Enhanced Fear Manipulation (Scared Rammot into paralysis and caused him to hallucinate even though Rammot is a powerful Nen user who is able to use Ten)

But I don't know if Killua did that with the help of Nen, & IIRC, he has shown himself as being able to be quite a scary individual, IIRC.

But more relevantly:


Ren - Fear Manipulation, Limited Paralysis Inducement, Madness Manipulation (Type 3) and Limited Death Manipulation (It has been stated that without Ten, a Nen User is capable of inducing crippling fear, paralyzing people, causing insanity and even outright killing them with Nen alone, this is through malicious aura attacks), Statistics Amplification (Ren also enhances physical characteristics)

IDK if Kaneki's is a Type 3 Madness Manipulation. I'd assume it's Biological or Mind Manipulation related, as opposed to the exposure to something with an inherent madness-inducing effects like bloodlust-containing Nen.

& even if Ken DOES Resist Madness Manipulation of the correct type, Madness, AKA, going insane doesn't necessarily mean Fear (Though, in Nen's case, it has been shown to be fearful insanity, but IDK about in Tokyo Ghoul.), & it doesn't mean he resists Fear or Paralysis or straight up dying.
 
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In that case, isn't it a stomp? The maximum that Kaneki can do is resist biological insanity and resist fear. However, there is no way he can counteract mind control or killing with the aura.
 
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In that case, isn't it a stomp? The maximum that Kaneki can do is resist biological insanity and resist fear. However, there is no way he can counteract mind control or killing with the aura.

So what are the stats? Kaneki one taps 16 tons or so while Killua is ???, both have massive pain tolerance but Kaneki has regen to help out with the wounds that cause said pain, extra limbs greatly aid mobility and combat but Killua’s lightning Aura has paralysis I think, also speed amps him iirc. No clue on the skill and do either even have range options?
Killua's AP is 22.13 tons I believe.
If I'm not mistaken, Kaneki has the stat advantage by an unknown amount (He one-shots 16 tons, but I don't know the one-shot range Tokyo Ghoul uses, & the 7.5x is only for determining the value to One Shot within Versus Threads in the absence of known ranges, IIRC.), unless Killua scales sufficiently above his 22.13 tons scaling point.

Kaneki also has Regeneration, & Resistance to Electricity Manipulation, & Killua will probably lead with Electricity Manipulation, especially in this key; Part of his training was developing an individual Nen ability, & he developed the ability to Transmute his own Nen into Electricity, as well as absorb & harness it from external sources, so he'll probably lead with that.

Killua likely won't try to "Nen Crush" until after he realizes Electricity Manipulation isn't effective, so Ken probably still has a window of opportunity where he can win before that.
I mean, presuming it isn't always active.

& even if Ken CAN'T perceive where the Nen is (Mind you, you don't need to be able to see Nen to be affected by it.), it's still possible he could avoid the effects by being out of range. He might know nor be inclined to do so, but it's a possibility, & usually, Nen users don't spread their Aura out very far unless it's for part of an ability, or for sensory purposes like using En to detect stuff; Since Nen is what you also use to defend yourself in some ways, &/or augment your attacks & such, I doubt Killua would be inclined to spread it out very much early on.

& of course, this probably isn't accounting for the close quarters match-up.
 

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If I'm not mistaken, Kaneki has the stat advantage by an unknown amount (He one-shots 16 tons, but I don't know the one-shot range Tokyo Ghoul uses, & the 7.5x is only for determining the value to One Shot within Versus Threads in the absence of known ranges, IIRC.), unless Killua scales sufficiently above his 22.13 tons scaling point.

Kaneki also has Regeneration, & Resistance to Electricity Manipulation, & Killua will probably lead with Electricity Manipulation, especially in this key; Part of his training was developing an individual Nen ability, & he developed the ability to Transmute his own Nen into Electricity, as well as absorb & harness it from external sources, so he'll probably lead with that.

Killua likely won't try to "Nen Crush" until after he realizes Electricity Manipulation isn't effective, so Ken probably still has a window of opportunity where he can win before that.
I mean, presuming it isn't always active.

& even if Ken CAN'T perceive where the Nen is (Mind you, you don't need to be able to see Nen to be affected by it.), it's still possible he could avoid the effects by being out of range. He might know nor be inclined to do so, but it's a possibility, & usually, Nen users don't spread their Aura out very far unless it's for part of an ability, or for sensory purposes like using En to detect stuff; Since Nen is what you also use to defend yourself in some ways, &/or augment your attacks & such, I doubt Killua would be inclined to spread it out very much early on.

& of course, this probably isn't accounting for the close quarters match-up.
Who is your vote for?
 
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@UchihaSlayer96 Need to clarify this, otherwise Killua need to be disqualified because the dumbass Nen Crush
I already explained how it's possible for Kaneki to win despite Nen Crush.
A match is a stomp when a character lacks reasonable win conditions, not when they're not the more likely participant to win.
Not to mention Killua's "Nen Crush" seems to only be likely to be come up because Kaneki resists his Electricity, is very durable, & Regenerates; He might not have obstacles provoking such in other matches.

Also, @UchihaSlayer96 has not posted in this thread so far.
IDK if they are knowledgeable, but dunno why people are deferring to the argument of someone who hasn't participated in this thread so far. Have they been contacted to be asked to input?
Who is your vote for?
The current matter feels a little bit contentious, so I'd prefer to abstain from voting before it's resolved.
 
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Eh, i'm not sure

Nen crush is basically auto-win and none of the combatants here have the answer regarding that, yes he would'nt use it in characters but when got cornered he likely going to use that and vice versa

I mean, @UchihaSlayer96 is the one who suggested Killua, so he take the responsible here
 
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Eh, i'm not sure

Nen crush is basically auto-win and none of the combatants here have the answer regarding that, yes he would'nt use it in characters but when got cornered he likely going to use that and vice versa
Not entirely auto-win. They have to make contact with the Aura, which usually requires being close, the Aura has to have "bloodlust" in it, & verse equalization may help (Nen is akin to a Ki system, IIRC.), plus, I'm not sure all of the effects (Death Manipulation) are guaranteed.

Plus, defeating or sufficiently exhausting (Not enough Nen for exposure may help.) Killua before he uses it may help prevent it defeating the opponent too soon, especially if it's the case that Killua probably isn't going to use it early on.
 
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Sadly what OOTE said, if he use bloodlust often then he casually use Nen crush pretty often too, and we know Nen Crush are such of problematic mechanic just like Reiatsu Crush
 

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Sadly what OOTE said, if he use bloodlust often then he casually use Nen crush pretty often too, and we know Nen Crush are such of problematic mechanic just like Reiatsu Crush
I'll just make Kaneki advance to the 3rd round and disqualify Killua. I'm not going through the same long, stressful process again, and the Kamen Rider Ixa vs Druid Monkey matchup hasn't been made, when it should've been a while ago.
 
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