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Unfortunately, I think I have to agree with Ant here. I still feel like they should be upgraded, but there are too little people for me to feel like there's a proper consensus, sadly.
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Oh definitely. Right after that statement in DSSS #30, Satannish and Mephisto fight until they're broken up by Strange. They fought earlier in DSSS #8, but were broken up by Strange again. Lastly, they fought in Avengers West Coast #100, where it was even until they were broken up (They've also both cheap-shotted each other, but I wouldn't use that for scaling). Although, all of these are out of realm Mephisto instead of in realm.Satannish is also shown to be a rival of Mephisto if I remember correctly
Yeah, I prefer possibly as well.And yeah, there’s quite a few times that other Skyfathers (well, usually just Odin and Zeus) and Hell Lords are put on a similar pedestal to Dormammu (even though he consistently scales above them), so I dunno, something like a ‘possibly’ rating might work better than my original proposal.
Isn't Sentry one of those "Scales of but no scaling from" types of characters like Mindless Ones anyways?Probably, yes. Although a few Celestials were just beaten up by The Sentry, so Marvel's ongoing inconsistency is a major problem for our scaling reliability,
He's said he's equal to Odin both in realm and out of realm, so take your pick I guess. But yeah, "up to 2-C/2-A" sounds good.Out of Realm Mephisto should probably have a Varies with 2-C/2-A at most (he was out of his realm when he said Odin was his equal iirc).
And yeah, probably.
I know, I was just asking what would happen/what the plans where, not what should happen.I do not want to upgrade anything without the consent of our currently most knowledgeable members.
The problem is that neither Odin nor Zeus (Much less other Skyfathers) have any feats above universe level or barely multiversal in Odin's case and if we're being honest they are frequently far, far, far weaker than that. Scaling them to 2-A is a meme.I personally do not mind scaling Mephisto, Galactus, Dormammu, Satannish. Agamotto, Odin, and Zeus as being of a usually comparable, although not exactly equal, level, but I would prefer input from @Sandman31 @Firestorm808 @LuciferDC099 and @Matthew_Schroeder first.
I mean, there have been a couple of feats shown for Odin scaling to a 2-A Yggdrasil all under the same writer, so I don't know how you can say they have 0 feats there.The problem is that neither Odin nor Zeus (Much less other Skyfathers) have any feats above universe level or barely multiversal in Odin's case and if we're being honest they are frequently far, far, far weaker than that. Scaling them to 2-A is a meme.
No.I mean, there have been a couple of feats shown for Odin scaling to a 2-A Yggdrasil all under the same writer, so I don't know how you can say they have 0 feats there.