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High 1-B Upgrade for Mephisto and Hell Lords within their own realms

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Also, since the Hell Lords at High 1-B have scaling in speed to those with Infinite Speed, such as Mephisto in Hell fighting Galactus and Seth at his peak in base battling Odin, should all Hell Lords either at their High 1-B peak or within their own realms have Infinite speed?

Their base forms would have "MFTL+, up to Infinite" speed.
 
Eseseso said:
Also, since the Hell Lords at High 1-B have scaling in speed to those with Infinite Speed, such as Mephisto in Hell fighting Galactus and Seth at his peak in base battling Odin, should all Hell Lords either at their High 1-B peak or within their own realms have Infinite speed?

Their base forms would have "MFTL+, up to Infinite" speed.
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Antvasima said:
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What do you think?

Their "in-realm" High 1-B keys would just be Infinite in speed.
 
What currently needs to be done here?

Edit: Never mind.
 
Eseseso said:
Also, since the Hell Lords at High 1-B have scaling in speed to those with Infinite Speed, such as Mephisto in Hell fighting Galactus and Seth at his peak in base battling Odin, should all Hell Lords either at their High 1-B peak or within their own realms have Infinite speed?

Their base forms would have "MFTL+, up to Infinite" speed.
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Eseseso said:
What do you think?

Their "in-realm" High 1-B keys would just be Infinite in speed.
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What do you think?
 
I agree that it would be a bit more helpful if we applied justifications to each profile rather than using a scaling chain only. How about something along the lines of…
Hell lords share a level of existence with their realms, whose entireties they can demonstrably warp with ease, with netherworlds being pan-dimensional realities infinitely transcendent of the universe, and in-realm hell lords having the wish-granting strength of cosmic cubes and rivaling the likes of The Stranger, Galactus, and even the All-Father, as well as being stronger than their armies, with whom they could cause Omniversal Armageddon warring against other Hell lords beyond the scale of Ragnarok (which Odin couldn’t fully challenge).
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ProfectusInfinity said:
I agree that it would be a bit more helpful if we applied justifications to each profile rather than using a scaling chain only. How about something along the lines of…
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This looks good.

For Seth I was also planning on adding his fight with Odin affecting every dimension in reality since that is currently one of Odin's High 1-B feats
 
ProfectusInfinity said:
I agree that it would be a bit more helpful if we applied justifications to each profile rather than using a scaling chain only. How about something along the lines of…
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Nice, but I think a lot of the evidence is too Mephisto specific, which is a bit of an issue since I wouldn't even say most in-realm Hell Lords directly scale to Mephisto (same tier of course, but in a scaling chain they'd be quite a bit down). So something like "Mephisto is superior to his whole army" wouldn't necessarily be true for, say, Pluto. Even if they did scale though, we'd probably link to each relevant Hell Lord's page rather than putting their scans in every Hell Lord's justification.

However, there are still direct statements for Hell Lords being pan-dimension rulers to pan-dimensional realms (Hellstorm: Prince of Lies #2) and basically every Hell Lord scales off of contributing to the realm merging feat. I'll try to make unique justifications for every Hell Lord when I can. Satannish has decent scaling to Mephisto + he upscales from his out-of-realm peak that threatened his realm and Mephisto's, Hela has the Omniversal Armageddon scan, Pluto has his stranger scaling, etc, so most should have specific evidence to note.

Oh, and I agree with Infinite Speed FRA.
 
Ehnkr2beboh said:
Nice, but I think a lot of the evidence is too Mephisto specific, which is a bit of an issue since I wouldn't even say most in-realm Hell Lords directly scale to Mephisto (same tier of course, but in a scaling chain they'd be quite a bit down). So something like "Mephisto is superior to his whole army" wouldn't necessarily be true for, say, Pluto. Even if they did scale though, we'd probably link to each relevant Hell Lord's page rather than putting their scans in every Hell Lord's justification.

However, there are still direct statements for Hell Lords being pan-dimension rulers to pan-dimensional realms (Hellstorm: Prince of Lies #2) and basically every Hell Lord scales off of contributing to the realm merging feat. I'll try to make unique justifications for every Hell Lord when I can. Satannish has decent scaling to Mephisto + he upscales from his out-of-realm peak that threatened his realm and Mephisto's, Hela has the Omniversal Armageddon scan, Pluto has his stranger scaling, etc, so most should have specific evidence to note.

Oh, and I agree with Infinite Speed FRA.
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Sounds good, though for now I'll add Profectus's justification to all the main Hell Lords since that does a good job summing things up.

Also, that Hellstorm scan calls the Hell Lords "pan-dimensional creatures", which basically confirms HDE for them at the High 1-B level.
 
Aaaaand the pages won't let me put in the new justification because of "forbidden external links", so I'll have to look into fixing that.

I fixed the "infinitely transcendent" link, but not the pan-dimensional one.
 
Discord links are not allowed, yes. They are unstable and expire too quickly.
 
Eseseso said:
Btw, if someone could unlock Seth's and Mephisto's pages, that would be greatly appreciated.
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I handled it:

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Seth (Marvel Comics)

Seth, also commonly referred to as Set, is a primordial god and villain from Marvel Comics, first appearing in Thor #240. He is a member of the Ennead, the Heliopolitan race of gods that were worshipped by the people of Ancient Egypt. He is the God of Death and rules over Duat, the dimension of...
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Mephisto (Marvel Comics)

Mephisto is an extra-dimensional demon of unknown origins and the ruler of the fiery dimension called "Hell" He is known for his attempts to exploit human beings' beliefs and causing the suffering of many creatures. Tier: Varies. At least 3-C, up to High 1-B, High 1-B in Hell | 1-A Key: Standard...
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I handled it:

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Seth (Marvel Comics)

Seth, also commonly referred to as Set, is a primordial god and villain from Marvel Comics, first appearing in Thor #240. He is a member of the Ennead, the Heliopolitan race of gods that were worshipped by the people of Ancient Egypt. He is the God of Death and rules over Duat, the dimension of...
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Mephisto (Marvel Comics)

Mephisto is an extra-dimensional demon of unknown origins and the ruler of the fiery dimension called "Hell" He is known for his attempts to exploit human beings' beliefs and causing the suffering of many creatures. Tier: Varies. At least 3-C, up to High 1-B, High 1-B in Hell | 1-A Key: Standard...
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Thank you!

If possible, could those pages stay unlocked? I will add Profectus's AP justification as well as HDE to both pages once I deal with the one bad scan.
 
Apologies for the delay, right when I was about to create my suggested justifications yesterday, we had a power outage in my area. Anyways, here's the sandbox.

I made sure everything was properly cited and added some missing scans, as well as a couple new ones to Mephisto's justification that I don't think would be too controversial. I rephrased things a bit as well, and removed feats of mentions of other Hell-Lords feats, rather keeping them on their respective character's justifications. The wiki also currently accepts this scan to say all Hell-Lords can fight evenly in wars with one another, which seems a bit weird since there's no mention of these wars being remotely even. The fact it's off-screen is also a bit of an issue, as Hell-Lords are known to be cunning, so how the fights actually went is a bit hard to say. I left it as supporting evidence in two justifications, but removed mention of these wars being even.

We also could add Galactus being capable of devouring Mephisto's realm to his High 1-B justification.

Edit: I just remembered Hellstorm has a feat of holding back all of Hell alongside Dr. Strange in Venom #13.4, so I could add that later too.
 
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Ehnkr2beboh said:
Apologies for the delay, right when I was about to create my suggested justifications yesterday, we had a power outage in my area. Anyways, here's the sandbox.

I made sure everything was properly cited and added some missing scans, as well as a couple new ones to Mephisto's justification that I don't think would be too controversial. I rephrased things a bit as well, and removed feats of mentions of other Hell-Lords feats, rather keeping them on their respective character's justifications. The wiki also currently accepts this scan to say all Hell-Lords can fight evenly in wars with one another, which seems a bit weird since there's no mention of these wars being remotely even. The fact it's off-screen is also a bit of an issue, as Hell-Lords are known to be cunning, so how the fights actually went is a bit hard to say. I left it as supporting evidence in two justifications, but removed mention of these wars being even.

We also could add Galactus being capable of devouring Mephisto's realm to his High 1-B justification.

Edit: I just remembered Hellstorm has a feat of holding back all of Hell alongside Dr. Strange in Venom #13.4, so I could add that later too.
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Looks good to me.
 
Ehnkr2beboh said:
Apologies for the delay, right when I was about to create my suggested justifications yesterday, we had a power outage in my area. Anyways, here's the sandbox.

I made sure everything was properly cited and added some missing scans, as well as a couple new ones to Mephisto's justification that I don't think would be too controversial. I rephrased things a bit as well, and removed feats of mentions of other Hell-Lords feats, rather keeping them on their respective character's justifications. The wiki also currently accepts this scan to say all Hell-Lords can fight evenly in wars with one another, which seems a bit weird since there's no mention of these wars being remotely even. The fact it's off-screen is also a bit of an issue, as Hell-Lords are known to be cunning, so how the fights actually went is a bit hard to say. I left it as supporting evidence in two justifications, but removed mention of these wars being even.

We also could add Galactus being capable of devouring Mephisto's realm to his High 1-B justification.

Edit: I just remembered Hellstorm has a feat of holding back all of Hell alongside Dr. Strange in Venom #13.4, so I could add that later too.
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Nice
 
Ehnkr2beboh said:
Apologies for the delay, right when I was about to create my suggested justifications yesterday, we had a power outage in my area. Anyways, here's the sandbox.

I made sure everything was properly cited and added some missing scans, as well as a couple new ones to Mephisto's justification that I don't think would be too controversial. I rephrased things a bit as well, and removed feats of mentions of other Hell-Lords feats, rather keeping them on their respective character's justifications. The wiki also currently accepts this scan to say all Hell-Lords can fight evenly in wars with one another, which seems a bit weird since there's no mention of these wars being remotely even. The fact it's off-screen is also a bit of an issue, as Hell-Lords are known to be cunning, so how the fights actually went is a bit hard to say. I left it as supporting evidence in two justifications, but removed mention of these wars being even.

We also could add Galactus being capable of devouring Mephisto's realm to his High 1-B justification.

Edit: I just remembered Hellstorm has a feat of holding back all of Hell alongside Dr. Strange in Venom #13.4, so I could add that later too.
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Little bump on this. Seems like everyone who checked the thread is fine with these small changes, so I think it can be applied, but I figure I probably need an okay from Ant or some other staff first.
 
Antvasima said:
@Ehnkr2beboh

What do you need me to give a go-ahead for?
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I made a sandbox for revised justifications with added scans/citations as well as sorting out where things should be. See this message for more info:
Ehnkr2beboh said:
Apologies for the delay, right when I was about to create my suggested justifications yesterday, we had a power outage in my area. Anyways, here's the sandbox.

I made sure everything was properly cited and added some missing scans, as well as a couple new ones to Mephisto's justification that I don't think would be too controversial. I rephrased things a bit as well, and removed feats of mentions of other Hell-Lords feats, rather keeping them on their respective character's justifications. The wiki also currently accepts this scan to say all Hell-Lords can fight evenly in wars with one another, which seems a bit weird since there's no mention of these wars being remotely even. The fact it's off-screen is also a bit of an issue, as Hell-Lords are known to be cunning, so how the fights actually went is a bit hard to say. I left it as supporting evidence in two justifications, but removed mention of these wars being even.

We also could add Galactus being capable of devouring Mephisto's realm to his High 1-B justification.

Edit: I just remembered Hellstorm has a feat of holding back all of Hell alongside Dr. Strange in Venom #13.4, so I could add that later too.
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High 1-B Upgrade for Mephisto and Hell Lords within their own realms

Also, since the Hell Lords at High 1-B have scaling in speed to those with Infinite Speed, such as Mephisto in Hell fighting Galactus and Seth at his peak in base battling Odin, should all Hell Lords either at their High 1-B peak or within their own realms have Infinite speed? Their base forms...
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