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Well, Skyfathers and Hell Lords are 2-C while Strange is 2-A/Low 1-C right now lol, so apparently it is controversial.
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Which page? Also, I'm extremely out of the loop on what's going on here, what's the citation revision? I could only assume it's adding citations to wiki pages.We should've nuked that page already, the research for characters whose rating are effected by this got halted tho due to citation revision
https://vsbattles.com/threads/making-it-compulsory-to-list-sources-for-multi-work-series.109022/ Citation oneWhich page? Also, I'm extremely out of the loop on what's going on here, what's the citation revision? I could only assume it's adding citations to wiki pages.
Strange directly admitted inferiority to Hela, referring to himself (as well as Wanda and Clea) as pathetic in comparison. Plus (already on her profile) Blackheart didn’t want to fight her and she easily dispatched Bor.If there's any feats for Hela to scale her this high within this thread I missed out on, just tell me.
That's a confusing one. However, in I think Mephisto Vs. #1, it's revealed that he was temporarily dissipated and apparently attacked by Franklin right when he lost his amp. That seems to be what happened in the original story as well (Fantastic Four #277).Also I just remembered a feat, although I don’t have the scans of it on me. Didn’t Mephisto survive a blast from Franklin Richards? Albeit, he was injured afterwards, but it’s still a good supporting feat.
I still disagree with anything above the current level for Skyfathers it's a gross outlier and relying on composite, different cosmologies for Yggdrasil.Your input would be appreciated here.
Yeah, Modern Dormammu could honestly be 4-B, that’s how weak they’ve made him after Defenders.Modern Dormammu is a pushover of course, due to that the Marvel writers all seem to hate the character, but nevertheless.
This is literally saying that the other infinite iceber is not part of yggdrasil
I'm not sure about that. Here's the quote:This is literally saying that the other infinite iceber is not part of yggdrasil
The Infinite Iceberg is Yggdrasil, and the Nine Words are just the tip of it. I mean, his point here is literally that there is more to Yggdrasil than the 9 realms.The Asgardian World Tree is kind of a map, okay? The Nine Words you recognize as being a part of Yggdrasil are just the tip of... a maybe Infinite Iceberg.
You might believe there are only Nine Worlds, but brother, I'm here to tell you... there's more and they're hungry.
I disagree, as it's been stated more than once that all mythologies, though some contradict one another, they all basically coexist in this some odd system of belief, as stated below, from Thor Annual #10 (1966).They demonstrate non-tier 2 and tier 1 stuff far more often lol.
Also taking Norse Mythology creation myths as literal in Marvel is extremely questionable because they change all the time. At one point the Ymir story was literally fake bullshit that Odin made up.
What this essentially says that all myths are real, even though they contradict one another. And it's supported again as recently as History of the Marvel Universe #1 (2019)--both by Galactus and the guide near the end of the issue.
Again, it's confirmed that all myths and beliefs aren't fiction. It's all true, as confirmed by quantum cosmologist Dr. Eric Solvang.
Also, about the statement of Odin's one eye saying that the creation story was apparently "fake"...
That was published in April 1980, and guess what, Thor still believes that his father did do all of these, as seen in Thor: Blood Oath, approximately 25 years after Thor #294. It's still taken as fact, not something Odin made up.
This was also confirmed in Thor: Dissassembled.
Wanna know why? Because Buri, Odin's great grandfather, confirms that what the eyeball told Thor was bullshit, and that Odin's word is the truth.
He's literally saying, "Um, Thor, do you really wanna believe a floating eyeball over your father, the dude who raised you to the badass warrior you are now?" And even if it wasn't what that meant, Walt Simonson retcons this and says that the creation myth really is true.
It's again supported by a statement from Loki: Agent of Asgard.
And about the "different cosmologies because of different writers," no. In truth, Yggdrasil does indeed have infinite universes, not just nine realms, and does indeed span spacetime itself. It's just that Odin hid the true size of it by the Asgardians, as there were universes and realms that shouldn't be discovered. And those statements are supported by Dr. Solvang's previous statements.
In summary:Iron Man: You need to listen to this man, Thor. I'm vouching for him. And I'm telling you--
Thor: I know. We know. Asgard--all of us of Asgard know. Odin, it seems, knows more about the Celestial Clockwork than he'd ever shared with anyone. Odin knows of dark things conspiring beyond the veil of space-time itself...starved universes scratching at the doors of our own.
With all due respectThere is a banned member who wants me to link to his responses here. He is mentally ill, but still seems to make some decent points.
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Yes he did. He literally says he's explaining the Asgardian World Tree at the start of the speech bubble. Let's look at this quote one more time.The cosmologist in question didn't just refer to Yggdrasil nor did he directly mentioned Yggdrasil.
The Nine Worlds are a part of an Iceberg possibly Infinite in comparison. Based off of context, what he's explaining is the World Tree and he talks about how the Nine Worlds are only a part of Yggdrasil earlier in the sentence, so I can't see how he couldn't be referring to Yggdrasil. Sorry if I articulated this poorly btw. The next lines are pretty much just him saying that I'm taking things out of context, something I already gave my take on, so I'll skip them.The Asgardian World Tree is kind of a map, okay? The Nine Words you recognize as being a part of Yggdrasil are just the tip of... a maybe Infinite Iceberg.
Sorry if I didn't make this clear before, I don't think Odin and Mephisto scale to Low 1-C. My preferred rating for them would be "2-C, possibly 2-A."Anyway now that is out of the way, inform all parties in that CRT, that I am currently investigating the claims made by each users and see if their interpretation is valid or not.
As I do not support this Yggdrasil being supposedly Low 1C that is being claimed by the users in questions.