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Mcu surtur Upgrade
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We need staff input, nah not really
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Yes really since she was able to visibly damage him
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Probably not, this will probably just go under “far higher” if it’s not already there
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2-3 from Thread Mods, Admins and/or Bureaurcrats
Her "far higher" would get changed to whatever Surtur's tier becomes
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At a glance, this seems alright to me.
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Wouldn't this in turn scale to Thor as well since he was boxing with Hela beforehand or do we consider her post water dip form far stronger?
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I'd say leave discussion on Post-Awakening Thor's scaling to a different CRT, but he could get a "likely higher" for now
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Bump
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The world crushing statement wouldn't be enough to qualify for a Tier 5 rating imo. It would only really apply if Surter was physically larger than the planet.
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His power is considered greater than the tesseract. The statement is not referring to his size at all
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If you're being literal, how does one crush a planet without being planetary size? You can't. Which is why I said it doesn't seem like a Tier 5 statement.
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Maybe because the statement isn’t being literal in terms of size. What do you think when someone says “I’m gonna crush you” do think that they’re literally gonna squeeze you or do you think they’re gonna beat you up? Even if it’s not, Hela straight up saying his power is greater then the tesseracts is quite blatant
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It's just not enough to get past the hyperbolic stage in my view. Crush is far more more hyperbolic than break or destroy.
I think they're going to defeat the person. The issue is that you can't defeat an object like a planet. You can "Crush a planet" by subduing it, killing everyone, causing an extinction level event, or breaking it to pieces. You can't determine which one it is based on that statement and Surter has no other Tier 5 showings. So to default to Tier 5 just doesn't make sense in my view.
She doesn't though or at least not directly. She calls the Tesseract not bad and then asks him if he wants to see True Power when she resurrects a bunch of fodder Asgardians and Fenris. Are those zombie Asgardians gunned down by some M16s > the Tesseract?
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The Eternal Flame also holds the power of Surtur, I don't know if that helps. Btw @Qawsedf234, what do you think about scaling Hela/Surtur above the Casket of Ancient Winters since she considers it as weak?
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Bad logic
Fodder Asgardians ressurected by a small portion of the flame =/ the flames full power when the entire thing is absorbed by Surtur
Also Hela's statement is about as direct as it gets in terms of implying superiority
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The scene combined with the Marvel Website's further information implies she considers the Eternal Flame to be superior to the Tesseract and (at the very least) the Casket of Ancient Winters, explicitly regarding the latter as weak
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It’s clearly not referring to his size as we have seen how big he is and it’s a supporting statement so I don’t see the problem here
Ya and he can do the same with his sword. I already proposed him being “likely tier 5” not just tier 5
She literally refers to it as “true power” and ranks them by strength so idk what your talking about.
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That's probably fine. Or at least I don't see an issue with it.
I mean these are the qualifiers
The statement doesn't seem to be "favorable" or "notable" since its just that and nothing else.
I get Tier 6 to whatever degree it is, but Tier 5 is just unsupported and shouldn't be mentioned in my view.
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Hela literally says his power his stronger along with having a supporting stament. How is that not “favorable”?
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No, it says he has world crushing power and Asgard is smaller than some IRL cities so its not a Tier 5 planet bust.
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Ya world crushing as in planet busting
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The only thing he destroyed was equivalent to an asteroid. That's like saying destroying Gorr's football field sized moon is moon busting.
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Say’s who? If Hela thinks his power is greater then the tesseract then clearly his done more then that to earn her admiration
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Dude we literally see what Asgard looks like. We have calced its destruction. 5-B is based on destroying an Earth sized planet and he never does anything close to that. It's why I mentioned Gorr's moon. It's a moon (I guess) but its astronomically tiny and blowing it up wouldn't yield anything remotely close to 5-C.
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Seems like it
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Oh cool so you’ve seen every single feat his ever accomplished throughout his life time right? You definitely have more knowledge then the thousand year old character in-universe who has extensive knowledge on Odin’s weapons correct?
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Nah there’s no reason to disagree with Hela’s statement. Let’s wait until other mods have a say cuz Q is litterly the only person so far to disagree with this
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You have to prove an assertion. Surtur has nothing to back a 5-B rating outside of a statement that can easily just be talking about Asgard. The Tier 6 stuff I won't argue against but I'm not for a 5-B rating.
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So are we waiting for the CRT to finish to apply the upgrades or will they be done today?
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It couldn't be applied originally considering it was just Marvel giving their approval and LordTracer skimming it.
But if they both disagree with my take then it can be applied whenever that time limit runs out.
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Hela literally says his power is greater than a tier 5 item what are you talking about. You have to prove she wasn’t referring to his strength. Like I’m not even saying his straight up tier 5 just likely
i guess we’ll wait and see if any mod has any other say, if not then surtur we’ll only be bumped up to like tier 6-a or b
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Hela's statement about the flames can mean something I guess.
But my primary point is about the world crushing statement not being useable for Tier 5.
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Your primary point is on a secondary supporting statement that lines up with what Hela said so I don’t see your point on him not even being likely tier 5
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I'm fine with not using the world crushing statement. I just brought it up as possible supporting evidence. The main one being used here is Hela's statement
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