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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

DarthSorox said:
That's exactly what they're telling you. Eren can't change the future, but you choose to believe that the only time in the manga where he does affect time and it doesn't change anything is that it's meant to be that way.
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I dont think you know what a fixed point in time is. A fixed point in time is a singular point that cannot be changed, while the events around it can. Eren can have the ability to manipulate causality while also being unable to affect a fixed point in time as a fixed point is inherently immune to causality manipulation.

Also the manga is secondary canon, the anime is the primary canon for AoT, and it has numerous instances of him manipulating causality
 
In fact, can I explain my philosophy around verse scaling in regards to good continuity and coherent storytelling? (My main point of which is probably going to make @JoshSSJGod, @CloverDragon03 and @DarkDragonMedeus jump down my throat):

If your storytelling suffers because of your attempt to give your characters higher tier scaling / more hax, you basically don't deserve that power in a VS context, because it's more or less an admission that you cannot explain how that power is applied consistently enough.

I've already been in discussions with the above names around if Xenosaga power structures should be shoehorned into Xenoblade's continuity and story (something they seem to accept without question, which I find particularly disturbing given Takahashi's inconsistent overall track record) without a reboot to XS as a trilogy (incorrigible use of Testaments powersets, plotholes with Zarathustra and the Zohar, lobotomised character motivations... I could go on). I shouldn't need to explain much here.
 
Joycap said:
In fact, can I explain my philosophy around verse scaling in regards to good continuity and coherent storytelling? (My main point of which is probably going to make @JoshSSJGod, @CloverDragon03 and @DarkDragonMedeus jump down my throat):

If your storytelling suffers because of your attempt to give your characters higher tier scaling / more hax, you basically don't deserve that power in a VS context, because it's more or less an admission that you cannot explain how that power is applied consistently enough.

I've already been in discussions with the above names around if Xenosaga power structures should be shoehorned into Xenoblade's continuity and story (something they seem to accept without question, which I find particularly disturbing given Takahashi's inconsistent overall track record) without a reboot to XS as a trilogy (incorrigible use of Testaments powersets, plotholes with Zarathustra and the Zohar, lobotomised character motivations... I could go on). I shouldn't need to explain much here.
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I mean yeah, its not exactly deserved, but that doesnt mean it should be excluded
 
WeeklyBattles said:
I dont think you know what a fixed point in time is. A fixed point in time is a singular point that cannot be changed, while the events around it can. Eren can have the ability to manipulate causality while also being unable to affect a fixed point in time as a fixed point is inherently immune to causality manipulation.

Also the manga is secondary canon, the anime is the primary canon for AoT, and it has numerous instances of him manipulating causality
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Or maybe it's much simpler - Eren can't influence the future because it's predetermined
 
Joycap said:
In fact, can I explain my philosophy around verse scaling in regards to good continuity and coherent storytelling? (My main point of which is probably going to make @JoshSSJGod, @CloverDragon03 and @DarkDragonMedeus jump down my throat):

If your storytelling suffers because of your attempt to give your characters higher tier scaling / more hax, you basically don't deserve that power in a VS context, because it's more or less an admission that you cannot explain how that power is applied consistently enough.

I've already been in discussions with the above names around if Xenosaga power structures should be shoehorned into Xenoblade's continuity and story (something they seem to accept without question, which I find particularly disturbing given Takahashi's inconsistent overall track record) without a reboot to XS as a trilogy (incorrigible use of Testaments powersets, plotholes with Zarathustra and the Zohar, lobotomised character motivations... I could go on). I shouldn't need to explain much here.
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Honestly, I don't quite understand your position. Are you for or against Eren being able to influence the past and future?
 
NikHelton said:
Or maybe it's much simpler - Eren can't influence the future because it's predetermined
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Bro. Now i know you havent seen the anime, because he DIRECTLY SHOWED THE ABILITY TO MANIPULATE THE FUTURE. This is like saying Goku cant shoot ki blasts.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Bro. Now i know you havent seen the anime, because he DIRECTLY SHOWED THE ABILITY TO MANIPULATE THE FUTURE. This is like saying Goku cant shoot ki blasts.
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I watched the anime, and all of Eren's interventions in the past triggered events that had already happened. So even his interventions in time were predetermined, and he can't influence the outcome.
 
NikHelton said:
I watched the anime, and all of Eren's interventions in the past triggered events that had already happened.
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I really, truly think you are lying, either that or you are severely misremembering the story.

Plus, even if you want to make the argument that he's manipulating the past from the future, that'd still be causality manipulation.
NikHelton said:
So even his interventions in time were predetermined, and he can't influence the outcome.
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Irrelevant, you can have causality hax while being unable top change a fixed point in time
 
WeeklyBattles said:
I really, truly think you are lying, either that or you are severely misremembering the story.
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WeeklyBattles said:
Plus, even if you want to make the argument that he's manipulating the past from the future, that'd still be causality manipulation.

Irrelevant, you can have causality hax while being unable top change a fixed point in time
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Yes, interventions that are predetermined by fate and do not change anything
 
LegendariumOfLies said:
Eh don't care. He used AI and was open about it.
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It's just fake moral outrage from losers
ZeNoviceArtist said:
Do you guys believe a 1 vs Group is possible in a Death Battle episode?
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No
Follow_Doctor_Freeman said:
I remember at the time that people were mostly just wanting an indie success story to carry on the legacy of a great animator (not writer) who died way too young. Potential and scrappiness and such. It doesn't seem that many later hopped on the train after it soon became clear that it was going to spin its wheels so much, but I'm guessing for them it was just general lesser-shonen standards and curiosity. And what Weekly said.


Can't blame him, copyright bots are rough and kill channels long after initially ok-ing the videos before getting you all at once. Even images of art (as in part of some franchise IP but even also vintage classical paintings and beyond) will sometimes get copyright-nuked, something for even uncopyrighted-music uploaders to be wary of. I might have tried contacting musicians for scoring first, but that's likely to be very expensive -- seriously, even commissioning individual short songs can burn an amateur creator's wallet -- and perhaps even more difficult to integrate into the whole to a beat-by-beat basis with as much specificity as he did.
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Exactly he was left with very little options and folks acting like he was demanding a new age of AI
 
Honestly, in his case it's the most ethical use of AI I have seen, people forgot that copyright and using dokkan ost wouldn't fit his story to tell
 
Iirc some companies use it too in order to speed up stuff, like in gaming, so they can improve on other stuff for creativity, only having AI take care of very long work load
 
TsukasayaEmmaDCD said:
Honestly, in his case it's the most ethical use of AI I have seen, people forgot that copyright and using dokkan ost wouldn't fit his story to tell
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BlackDarkness679 said:
Iirc some companies use it too in order to speed up stuff, like in gaming, so they can improve on other stuff for creativity, only having AI take care of very long work load
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I honestly believe there can be nuance discussions about AI use good and bad but folks rather act like children over it and treat as the devil itself or some belief of salvation
 
Tipper17 said:
I honestly believe there can be nuance discussions about AI use good and bad but folks rather act like children over it and treat as the devil itself or some belief of salvation
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Thing is when something was used for what people call slop nowadays and some do to get something easier with less costs and effort, hearing big corpos use AI, will rub it the wrong way for people
 
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