[5-1-0] My brother trained you? Let's see if you paid attention - Uchiha Itachi vs Uzumaki Boruto

[Testarossa002]

Like i said earlier, Momoshiki functioning as a Jin simply doesn't work
Aside from cooperation, another reason why having a partner nulls genjutsu is because the partner (a tailed beast in this instance) has its own chakra which can be used to disrupt the host's own chakra
Momoshiki doesn't have his own chakra here. He's entirely reliant on the chakra from boruto to function. The chakra that's already under the influence of genjutsu

And with the scan someone sent above, having a partner still doesn't help when it comes to tsukiyomi (or a high enough genjutsu)

This is a stomp in itachi's favour

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Why is Momoshiki being assumed to function like a Jin and will break Boruto out?

Are you asking why Momoshiki is going to protect his vessel from getting his mind destroyed, incacipated & the possibility of death post the genjutsu?

I cannot remember a single Genjutsu resistance feat in Boruto.

It quite literally does not matter nor is this a non defeater. Boruto atp in this story is already 80% Otsuktsuki, meaning he has Ostukstuki DNA which is accepted to resist genjutsu on their own right. If there's a contradiction and that isn't enough, again, this argument is foolish. We know Momoshiki emerges whenever is vessel is out of Chakra or has lost consciousness, and with how potent Itachi's Genjutsu is? He's going to break Boruto's mind similar or even greater than Kakashi was and he's going to pass out from the sheer pain and stress the Genjutsu causes on his mind, which is when Momoshiki will emerge and rock his shit to hell. The argument doesnt help if he uses something like Tsukuyomi, If Highly Trained Kakashi managed to stay conscious after Tsukuyomi, how do you think Boruto, a kid, will react to High Potent Genjutsu? He's passing out in like 2 minutes.

Like i said earlier, Momoshiki functioning as a Jin simply doesn't work
Aside from cooperation, another reason why having a partner nulls genjutsu is because the partner (a tailed beast in this instance) has its own chakra which can be used to disrupt the host's own chakra
Momoshiki doesn't have his own chakra here. He's entirely reliant on the chakra from boruto to function. The chakra that's already under the influence of genjutsu

And with the scan someone sent above, having a partner still doesn't help when it comes to tsukiyomi (or a high enough genjutsu

This argument makes 0 sense. Addressed most of this above. No one is equalizing Jinchuruki's to Ottsuktsuki like you guys are rn. Momoshiki is a soul or spirit. He does not clinge to the physical world and does not exist in a physical sense just as any Jinchuruki, nor does he rely on any Chakra to function, he is already physically dead. His "Biological" Otsuktsuki data is encrypted into Boruto and he simply possesses him (as ghosts do) whenever a chance arises, giving him Otsuktsuki powers and capabilities. Such as here, when Boruto passes the absolute hell out from Itachi's hellish Genjutsu. Itachi is going to die. And this makes him incomparable to any Jinc, Momoshiki does not have as much free will with possessing his vessel just as they can, only under certain limited conditions, which are met here.

 

[Aytugsss]

Why is Momoshiki being assumed to function like a Jin and will break Boruto out?

I’m voting Itachi via Genjutsu. I cannot remember a single Genjutsu resistance feat in Boruto.

Borushiki has genjutsu resistance

 

[Testarossa002]

This argument makes 0 sense. Addressed most of this above. No one is equalizing Jinchuruki's to Ottsuktsuki like you guys are rn. Momoshiki is a soul or spirit. He does not clinge to the physical world and does not exist in a physical sense just as any Jinchuruki, nor does he rely on any Chakra to function, he is already physically dead. His "Biological" Otsuktsuki data is encrypted into Boruto and he simply possesses him (as ghosts do) whenever a chance arises, giving him Otsuktsuki powers and capabilities. Such as here, when Boruto passes the absolute hell out from Itachi's hellish Genjutsu. Itachi is going to die. And this makes him incomparable to any Jinc, Momoshiki does not have as much free will with possessing his vessel just as they can, only under certain limited conditions, which are met here.

I was under the assumption that Borushiki is restricted
This just goes from a stomp from itachi's favor to a stomp in borushiki's favor
Borushiki takes over and he's 20x faster and far stronger than that

Not sure why there's a debate if Momoshiki can just take over

 

[Aytugsss]

I was under the assumption that Borushiki is restricted
This just goes from a stomp from itachi's favor to a stomp in borushiki's favor
Borushiki takes over and he's 20x faster and far stronger than that

Not sure why there's a debate if Momoshiki can just take over

Boruto starts in borushiki form and speed equalized in the last update from op

 

[Nonynho]

İtachi cant beat any version of borushiki even with speed equalizition, borushiki can easily break through susanoo with oadama rasengan even before itachi activate stage three

that's a huuuuuge downplay of MS analytical prediction + Itachi is definetely more skilled than Momo and/or Boruto, so he would know how to properly do stuff to counter

I'll study if further keys have any hax but i can see a line where the results are pretty much the same - Either Itachi's kit gets used normally or he'll get one-tapped

 

[Nonynho]

Not sure why there's a debate if Momoshiki can just take over

Boruto starts in borushiki form and speed equalized in the last update from op

i'll be updating the OP later today with which key is being used, so that Itachi's speed is equalized to a Borushiki for the match to actually work as intended.

I'll ping y'all whenever i do so

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Itachi is definetely more skilled than Momo and/or Boruto, so he would know how to properly do stuff to counter

??? Huh

 

[Aytugsss]

that's a huuuuuge downplay of MS analytical prediction + Itachi is definetely more skilled than Momo and/or Boruto, so he would know how to properly do stuff to counter

I'll study if further keys have any hax but i can see a line where the results are pretty much the same - Either Itachi's kit gets used normally or he'll get one-tapped

Borushiki also has analytical precog with byakugan maybe not ad much as ms but its should be very high because its should be stronger than hyuga byakugans

Borushiki can outlast itachi with flying
And he has vanishing rasengan which obito cant see
İ dont see itachi winning this matchup
İm voting borushiki

 

[Nonynho]

Ok, let's change to 1st key TBV Boruto, who starts as 5-B
But speed's equal and Itachi has prior knowledge only of his genjutsu not working

Boruto's wincons would basically be getting anything through
Itachi's would be combo'ing Susano'o s* with Amaterasu, since this iteration of Boruto doesn't have absorption unless he turns Kama up (but due to how the key's written, doesn't seem like he has access to Momo's s*)

 

[Aytugsss]

Ok, let's change to 1st key TBV Boruto, who starts as 5-B
But speed's equal and Itachi has prior knowledge only of his genjutsu not working

Boruto's wincons would basically be getting anything through
Itachi's would be combo'ing Susano'o s* with Amaterasu, since this iteration of Boruto doesn't have absorption unless he turns Kama up (but due to how the key's written, doesn't seem like he has access to Momo's s*)

İf itachi uses genjutsu,Boruto wins
İf he doesnt, itachi wins
Because if he uses genjutsu,momoshiki would take borutos body,if he doesnt, boruto wouldnt let momoshiki take his body
Kinda ironic
But i think i giving my vote to İtachi for now

 

[Nonynho]

İf itachi uses genjutsu

But speed's equal and Itachi has prior knowledge only of his genjutsu not working

Because if he uses genjutsu,momoshiki would take borutos body,if he doesnt, boruto wouldnt let momoshiki take his body
Kinda ironic

Ain't Boruto a full-on Ootsutsuki per the description of the profile
Therefore resisting genjutsu by himself?

 

[Aytugsss]

Ain't Boruto a full-on Ootsutsuki per the description of the profile
Therefore resisting genjutsu by himself?

Ootsutsuki physiology seperated boruto/kawaki and ootsutsukis
And boruto/kawaki doesnt has genjutsu resistance in their profiles
Tought idk if the has becaue sasuke also didnt used genjutsu on jigen but maybe its because ishiki can wake him up
İ dont remember if sasuke knew about kama when they fight against jigen

 

[TauanVictor]

Ok, let's change to 1st key TBV Boruto, who starts as 5-B
But speed's equal and Itachi has prior knowledge only of his genjutsu not working

Boruto's wincons would basically be getting anything through
Itachi's would be combo'ing Susano'o s* with Amaterasu, since this iteration of Boruto doesn't have absorption unless he turns Kama up (but due to how the key's written, doesn't seem like he has access to Momo's s*)

Change the OP bro.

 

[Nonynho]

Change the OP bro.

i was asking, only lol

lemme edit it then

Ootsutsuki physiology seperated boruto/kawaki and ootsutsukis
And boruto/kawaki doesnt has genjutsu resistance in their profiles

Boruto should have all what's listed there due to how it is indexed

Tought idk if the has becaue sasuke also didnt used genjutsu on jigen but maybe its because ishiki can wake him up
İ dont remember if sasuke knew about kama when they fight against jigen

Sasuke shouldn't have tried genjutsu against Jigen, the description in the Ootsutsuki Physiology page says Sasuke doesn't use it against them lol

 

[Nonynho]

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Everyone voting?
Homecoming TBV Boruto is used rn and Itachi has prior knowledge his genjutsu won't work

 

[Aytugsss]

i was asking, only lol

lemme edit it then


Boruto should have all what's listed there due to how it is indexed

İ dont think, boruto said to be full ootsutsuki but i blieve its something to do with kama progression

Sasuke shouldn't have tried genjutsu against Jigen, the description in the Ootsutsuki Physiology page says Sasuke doesn't use it against them lol

İf sasuke knew about kama, yeah thats what i said but if not, does sasuke know jigen is isshiki

 

[Aytugsss]

Everyone voting?
Homecoming TBV Boruto is used rn and Itachi has prior knowledge his genjutsu won't work

İm voting itachi at this point, but are we sure this matchup doesnt go against rules?
Because normally boruto should be the one who has speed advantages ,but in this foght its not just equalized but itachi has almost a blitz above boruto via ms

 

[Nonynho]

İ dont think, boruto said to be full ootsutsuki but i blieve its something to do with kama progression

Would have to be listed, and only his other key lists kama progression, with this one even saying on the weakness section to not be able to use Kama's abilities

 

[Nonynho]

İm voting itachi at this point, but are we sure this matchup doesnt go against rules?
Because normally boruto should be the one who has speed advantages ,but in this foght its not just equalized but itachi has almost a blitz above boruto via ms

Boruto should be skilled enough to hit someone with MS with aaaaaaaaall his kit
It is like 50/50, this definetely is not against the rules

Will count you and me as itachi voters

 

[TauanVictor]

Itachi FRA

 

[MannyQ361]

Voting Itachi fra.

 

[Aytugsss]

Would have to be listed, and only his other key lists kama progression, with this one even saying on the weakness section to not be able to use Kama's abilities

İm not saying this version is acces to kama
İm saying genjutsu resistance came from kama and thats why boruto and kawaki doesnt has genjutsu resistance on ootsutsuki page

 

[Aytugsss]

Boruto should be skilled enough to hit someone with MS with aaaaaaaaall his kit

He probably doesnt has time to do it
And if you think boruto can hit, it means boruto wins because of the ap gap
İtachi gets one shotted

It is like 50/50, this definetely is not against the rules

You make far faster character slower and you did this when his oppenent has multiple wincon
You can atleast equalized speed with ms and boruto not sharingan and boruto
Atleast im thinking like that
Dont get me wrong please ,but its like you did this matchup just for itachi to win

Will count you and me as itachi voters

You can count me if you want

 

[Nonynho]

İm saying genjutsu resistance came from kama and thats why boruto and kawaki doesnt has genjutsu resistance on ootsutsuki page

hm
this should be pointed out in some section like the weakness one if that's the case
Maybe a CRT is fair

He probably doesnt has time to do it
And if you think boruto can hit, it means boruto wins because of the ap gap
İtachi gets one shotted

Boruto can hit
I just think Itachi's barely skilled enough for that not to be the case, hence why this is fair game

You make far faster character slower and you did this when his oppenent has multiple wincon
You can atleast equalized speed with ms and boruto not sharingan and boruto
Atleast im thinking like that
Dont get me wrong please ,but its like you did this matchup just for itachi to win

Well, i did my best to get a in-verse match to be fair
I prefer Itachi to win but just for this to be working is already very good IMO

This type of restriction you mentioned is not possible and basically all Boruto could ever call a wincon is still available, there's a huge chance he should be able to notice his opponent can anticipate his every move and act accordingly, so i don't see how is this unfair

 

[Aytugsss]

hm
this should be pointed out in some section like the weakness one if that's the case
Maybe a CRT is fair

İ dont think genjutsu should be in weakness section

Boruto can hit
I just think Itachi's barely skilled enough for that not to be the case, hence why this is fair game

İtachi has far faster reaction speed and precog with ms
Altough now i think about how can itachi stop vanishing rasengan.
Vanishing rasengan should be one shot itachi

Well, i did my best to get a in-verse match to be fair
I prefer Itachi to win but just for this to be working is already very good IMO

Well... You tried very hard to do it lmao

This type of restriction you mentioned is not possible and basically all Boruto could ever call a wincon is still available, there's a huge chance he should be able to notice his opponent can anticipate his every move and act accordingly, so i don't see how is this unfair

What restriction?
İf ms itachi is equalized against boruto it would be better otherwise only wincon for boruto is vanishing rasengan which i doubt would be enough
İf boruto tries to get close to itachi, with having react speed advantages and speed boost with susanoo, itachi one shots with totsuka

 

[Nonynho]

İ dont think genjutsu should be in weakness section

"Don't have all Ootsutsuki resistances because of xyz" should, since you're claiming such

Altough now i think about how can itachi stop vanishing rasengan.
Vanishing rasengan should be one shot itachi

....Yeah
And Uzuhiko too

Thing is either Itachi GOATs his way out or gets brutalized by (most likely) one of the two
Me and - so far - 3 other fellas bet on Itachi though lol

What restriction?

the one you mentioned

İf ms itachi is equalized against boruto it would be better otherwise only wincon for boruto is vanishing rasengan which i doubt would be enough
İf boruto tries to get close to itachi, with having react speed advantages and speed boost with susanoo, itachi one shots with totsuka

Yeah but Itachi can only try ninjutsu for distraction and Totsuka Blade
ANY other thing won't work while all of Boruto's kit is at his disposition

 

[Aytugsss]

"Don't have all Ootsutsuki resistances because of xyz" should, since you're claiming such

İm not the one who claiming it the page does

....Yeah
And Uzuhiko too

Boruto cant get close to itachi

Thing is either Itachi GOATs his way out or gets brutalized by (most likely) one of the two
Me and - so far - 3 other fellas bet on Itachi though lol


the one you mentioned

İ didnt mentioned any restriction?

Yeah but Itachi can only try ninjutsu for distraction and Totsuka Blade
ANY other thing won't work while all of Boruto's kit is at his disposition

Since itachi has far superior reaction and attack speed
No boruto cant get close

 

[Nonynho]

İm not the one who claiming it the page does

will re-check it in a bit

Boruto cant get close to itachi

Uzuhiko (and other parts of Boruto's kit) can operate with some small range though?
Also, Boruto is not at all unskilled so by seeing his opponent can predict his every movement he can start elaborating countermeasurements

 

[Aytugsss]

will re-check it in a bit

Ok

Uzuhiko (and other parts of Boruto's kit) can operate with some small range though?
Also, Boruto is not at all unskilled so by seeing his opponent can predict his every movement he can start elaborating countermeasurements

Uzhiko cant, its like normal rasengan
And boruto has no strong long range attacks besides vanishing rasengan
Bu idk about if itachis yata mirror can block it

 

[Nonynho]

Bu idk about if itachis yata mirror can block it

Boruto can just leave the vanishing rasengan and test other ninjutsu, when he sees the yata mirror eats all, he sends a vanishing rasengan in the back of the susano'o, either for distraction's sake or for it to be the finishing blow

Boruto is not dumb, Itachi wins because he's smarter though, but Boruto shouldn't be a total pushover

 

[Aytugsss]

Boruto can just leave the vanishing rasengan and test other ninjutsu, when he sees the yata mirror eats all, he sends a vanishing rasengan in the back of the susano'o, either for distraction's sake or for it to be the finishing blow

Boruto is not dumb, Itachi wins because he's smarter though, but Boruto shouldn't be a total pushover

He cant send a vanishing rasengan in susanoos back because he cant get itachis back
You really underestimate the amp between normal sharingan and mangekyo sharingan
Tought boruto cant even stop amaterasu in this match up because he csnt absorb it and we still dont make an agrement if genjutsu works or not

 

[Nonynho]

and we still dont make an agrement if genjutsu works or not

for simplicity's sake even if it does, i'll keep OP the way it is rn so that he doesn't try that because of the prior knowledge (and that is not illegal, i've asked long ago in a QnA thread)

He cant send a vanishing rasengan in susanoos back because he cant get itachis back

how far can he send the rasengan? if farther than 10m, he can

 

[Aytugsss]

for simplicity's sake even if it does, i'll keep OP the way it is rn so that he doesn't try that because of the prior knowledge (and that is not illegal, i've asked long ago in a QnA thread)

İ dont know its doesnt feel right

how far can he send the rasengan? if farther than 10m, he can

You cant send rasengan , can you?

 

[Nonynho]

You cant send rasengan , can you?

typical ones, like Naruto's or Minato's you can't

But from the little i know, that's one of the differences Boruto has from other users of the technique, he can throw them pretty much like Naruto does to Rasenshuriken

İ dont know its doesnt feel right

1. You're the one who said he doesn't resist it despite him having the ootsutsuki physiology indexed
2. One can be fed with fake prior knowledge

So we can do that and either we should for the match to be able to happen or it doesn't make a difference lol

 

[Aytugsss]

typical ones, like Naruto's or Minato's you can't

But from the little i know, that's one of the differences Boruto has from other users of the technique, he can throw them pretty much like Naruto does to Rasenshuriken

The only way to do it is ninja tools but in this key , boruto doesnt used it

You're the one who said he doesn't resist it despite him having the ootsutsuki physiology indexed

Again and again, im not the one who said it
The whole ootsutsuki physiology page seperate boruto and kawaki from other ootsutsukis and listed their resistance in seperate section.
Boruto and kawaki according to vsb page, does not has genjutsu resistance.
Can you please look at the page?

1. One can be fed with fake prior knowledge

So we can do that and either we should for the match to be able to happen or it doesn't make a difference lol

But i change my mind again
Boruto can one shot itachi with vanishing rasengan since itachi cant see it
So im voting boruto now

 

[Nonynho]

The only way to do it is ninja tools but in this key , boruto doesnt used it

I have no clue what you're talking about
Vanishing Rasengan is just him putting raiton into the rasengan, wth does it have to do with ninja tools?

So im voting boruto now

bet

 

[Aytugsss]

I have no clue what you're talking about
Vanishing Rasengan is just him putting raiton into the rasengan, wth does it have to do with ninja tools?

Talking about normal rasengan tought

bet

 

[Nonynho]

Talking about normal rasengan tought

wow, by the point of TBV Boruto still needs ninja tools to make a rasengan? what a fraud lmfao

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Sasuke bro FRA