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This dude was never a legit Itachi simp, in reality he simps for Tsunade and her assets

Is there anything left to discuss? I think apart from sakura PN and EE resistance everything else was accepted. Maybe limited type 2 needs to be discussed more?
 
Rocker1189 said:
Is there anything left to discuss? I think apart from sakura PN and EE resistance everything else was accepted. Maybe limited type 2 needs to be discussed more?
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I believe Limited Type 2 was already bunked and is just a stamina feat. If not for Orochimaru's assistance, she would have eventually died.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
I believe Limited Type 2 was already bunked and is just a stamina feat. If not for Orochimaru's assistance, she would have eventually died.
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I don't see how stamina would allow you to survive such an injury for as long as she has.
I've seen many characters get Limited Type 2 for surviving extreme injuries for a Limited time. It's not indefinite, like Hidan for example, but still far beyond what should normally be possible.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
I believe Limited Type 2 was already bunked and is just a stamina feat. If not for Orochimaru's assistance, she would have eventually died.
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Again wasnt that due to having to save 4 other Kage and not just herself? As we could tell with her returning to be a grandma. I personally dont mind either way but I think a limited type 2 works with that since she still survived for a long arse time.
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
I don't see how stamina would allow you to survive such an injury for as long as she has.
I've seen many characters get Limited Type 2 for surviving extreme injuries for a Limited time. It's not indefinite, like Hidan for example, but still far beyond what should normally be possible.
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I don't even understand how you could get a "Limited Type 2".
Characters with this degree of immortality can indefinitely survive injuries that would otherwise be lethal to a normal person, without needing to heal. This type of immortality can have different levels of effectiveness and can be bypassed, for example, by causing extremely severe wounds or the complete destruction of the body or specific parts of it, such as the head, etc.
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It is possible for normal humans to survive after being bifurcated; there are examples of this all over the web (graphic content warning, if you choose to look them up). It all comes down to blood loss; if the injured is rescued and treated quickly enough, they could live on without the lower half of their body and from the looks of it, Tsunade was separated at the waist, so none of her vital organs were damaged. Maintaining consciousness for as long as she did while bleeding from the "waist down" would be considered a stamina feat, but she would not get Limited Type 2 Immortality because of it.
Stamina is an attribute that allows a certain character to remain active, exert itself to prolonged periods of time, and recover from ordeals.
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Nullflowerblush said:
I don't even understand how you could get a "Limited Type 2".

It is possible for normal humans to survive after being bifurcated; there are examples of this all over the web (graphic content warning, if you choose to look them up). It all comes down to blood loss; if the injured is rescued and treated quickly enough, they could live on without the lower half of their body and from the looks of it, Tsunade was separated at the waist, so none of her vital organs were damaged. Maintaining consciousness for as long as she did while bleeding from the "waist down" would be considered a stamina feat, but she would not get Limited Type 2 Immortality because of it.
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Alright, fair enough then. I'll just add it as extra feats for her pain tolerance and stamina sections.
 
I'm honestly only here for Tsunade and her assets...

I'm actually surprised most of these weren't already on their pages. Besides the stuff brought up already in the comments like the Immortality Type 2 and the Sakura resistance thing, everything else looks alright.

However, regarding the Rinnegan seeing the Limbo Clones, didn't Sasuke do that with his buffed Rinnegan?. Would that really apply to the normal Rinnegan users?.
 
LordGriffin1000 said:
Is that actually stated to be the case or did it just not come up?.
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It's just not something that came up since Obito wasn't conscious at the time when Madara was using his Limbos.

So we don't know whether all Rinnegan users are capable of it.
 
Damage3245 said:
It's just not something that came up since Obito wasn't conscious at the time when Madara was using his Limbos.

So we don't know whether all Rinnegan users are capable of it.
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I'd prefer a "can possibly see Limbo Clones" then for normal Rinnegan users if that's the case.
 
I agree with everything except the TSO and Sakura. Rinnegan users should be able to see Limbos, since Madara attributed the fact that Sasuke could see them to Rinnegan, and there is nothing to show that this is specific to Sasuke, since it is said "Rinnegan" and not specifically Sasuke's, since they never differentiated his from the standard.
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
Hello everyone.

As the title suggests, this thread essentially exists for the sole purpose of wanking doing Tsunade some justice. I'm going to propose some abilites for her, and flesh out some of the attributes she already has on her profile.

Oh, and I guess I might as well propose some additions for other characters too while we're at it. Two very big birds with one stone, as Jiraiya would put it......hehehehehe.

Well, here we go!

Tsunade:​

- Tsunade should get Genius Intelligence, and have her intelligence section updated to reflect her actual level:

  • Intelligence: Genius (A medical genius known the world over as the strongest Kunoichi, and the world's foremost medical expert. She has been credited as one of the principle reasons that led to Konoha's victory during the Second and Third Shinobi World War thanks to her contributions both on the battlefield and in developing the "One Medic Specialist per 4-Man Cell" system, which greatly increased the survival rates of Shinobi cells. She has performed many seemingly impossible feats in the medical field such as healing the psychological damage inflicted upon Sasuke and Kakashi by Tsukuyomi with a mere touch, healing Rock Lee's spine injury which was deemed a helpless case, counteracted the effects of the Three Coloured Pills with instructions from the Nara Clan's Sacred Medical Guide, analyzed and neutralized the poisons of renowned experts such as Chiyo of the Sand, and much more. She was also noted to be the only one capable of healing Orochimaru's arms, which had their soul sealed away and lost their ability to function, even though Orochimaru had the aid of a competent Medical Ninja such as Kabuto. She is adept enough to perform complex autopsies, even on a cellular level, and synthesize artificial limbs from the cells of her grandfather, Hashirama Senju. However, her crowning medical achievement is perhaps her development of the Creation Rebirth Jutsu, which goes a step beyond healing and actually regenerates all of her wounds by drawing on her chakra reserves to perform cellular division and heal almost any injury. In addition to her medical expertise, she is also an elite Shinobi who's known as part of Konoha's Sannin alongside Orochimaru and Jiraiya and the World's Strongest Kunoichi. She graduated from the academy at the tender age of 6, and has since then developed into a Shinobi that would command the respect of legends such as Hanzo, Orochimaru, Jiraiya, and even the likes of Madara Uchiha. She's an expert combatant with decades of experience on the battlefield, and was deemed as the most fitting choice for the position of Hokage after Hiruzen's passing. Finally, she was awarded a 5 on her Databook entry's intelligence category, which makes her comparable to other geniuses such as Orochimaru, Kakashi, and Itachi)
- Regeneration (Low-Mid; with her Creation Rebirth Jutsu, she can stimulate her cellular division in order to regenerate organs and limbs, as long as she still has enough chakra. She is able to regenerate from being pierced by Madara's Susanoo and was still alive after being cut in half)

- Immortality (Limited Type 2 and Type 3; She can regenerate from what would normally be lethal injuries using her Creation Rebirth Jutsu, and can even survive complete bisection for an extended period of time while extremely low on chakra)

- Enhanced Senses and Information Analysis (Can detect someone's erratic heartbeats, and accurately diagnose their physical condition with a mere glance from a few meters away)

- Sleep Inducement (Can create undetectable knockout drugs that can be utilized against experienced Shinobi, and should be able to create and use knockout gases like Sakura, since she's the one who taught her how to make them)

  • The knockout drugs/bombs should be included in her Standard/Optional Equipment section.
- Analytical Prediction (Taught and trained Sakura to master her evasion techniques, which allowed her to gradually read someone's attack patterns and start dodging accordingly, even from blindspots. Tsunade herself showed her mastery of this technique during her fight with Kabuto when she effortlessly dodged his underground sneak attack)

- Immense Pain Tolerance (She can withstand grueling and life-threatening injuries, such as swords plunging straight through her torso and getting cut in half, without succumbing to the pain or losing the ability to fight. Easily endured being stabbed straight through the chest by Orochimaru, and then getting repeatedly slashed by his blade)

- Water Walking.....I mean, duh. It's crazy that she doesn't have it already.

- Justification for being a Skilled Hand-to-Hand Combatant (She is an elite Shinobi with decades of combat experience under her belt. She casually disarmed and outskilled Naruto. She's able to contend with masterful combatants such as Kabuto, Orochimaru, and Madara Uchiha for extended periods of time)

- Poison Manipulation (Can produce and imbue her weaponry with deadly poisons) and Resistance to Poison Manipulation via antidotes (Can analyze and produce antidotes to even the deadliest of poisons, which she later on taught to Sakura. These antidotes can completely neutralize the effects of any poison, even while being exposed to the poison directly. Medical Ninjustu can also heal from the effects of, and even directly remove, poison)

  • The antidotes should be included in the Standard/Optional Equipment section.
- Healing on a physical, mental, and Spiritual level (As the world's most skilled Medical Ninja, her healing abilities are unmatched. She has performed many seemingly impossible feats in the medical field such as healing the psychological damage inflicted upon Sasuke and Kakashi by Tsukuyomi with a mere touch, healing Rock Lee's spine injury which was deemed a helpless case, counteracted the effects of the Three Coloured Pills with instructions from the Nara Clan's Sacred Medical Guide, analyzed and neutralized the poisons of renowned experts such as Chiyo of the Sand, and much more. She was also noted to be the only one capable of healing Orochimaru's arms, which had their soul sealed away and lost their ability to function, even though Orochimaru had the aid of a competent Medical Ninja such as Kabuto. She was able to effortlessly heal Shikamaru, when even Sakura and his Kyuubi cloak's healing were barely keeping him alive. When linked up with Katsuyu, she can heal thousands of people at once)

- Additional justification for her Biological Manipulation and limited Regeneration Negation (She should be capable of combining her chakra-enhanced fists with her medical Ninjutsu in a similar manner to Sakura in order to simultaneously heal the damage resulting from the punches, eventually killing the affected cells from over-replication)

Sakura Haruno:​

- Immortality (Limited Type 2 and Type 3; She should scale to Tsunade's application of Creation Rebirth. She can survive and regenerate from lethal injuries, such as complete impalement, for an extended period of time)

- Justification for her Regeneration (Low-Mid; Scales to Tsunade's application of Creation Rebirth, which allows her to regenerate organs and limbs, heal from complete impalement, and even survive bisection. She also regenerated from a thick chakra tail being plunged through her midsection)

- Sleep Inducement (Can create and use knockout gases)

  • The knockout drugs/bombs should be included in her Standard/Optional Equipment section.
- Poison Manipulation (Can produce and imbue her weaponry with deadly poisons) and Resistance to Poison Manipulation via antidotes (Can analyze and produce antidotes to even the deadliest of poisons. These antidotes can completely neutralize the effects of any poison, even while being exposed to the poison directly. Medical Ninjustu can also heal from the effects of, and even directly remove, poison)

  • The antidotes should be included in her Standard/Optional Equipment section.
- Biological Manipulation and limited Regeneration Negation (When she fought Kido and had to work around his regenerating chakra cloak, she combined her chakra-enhanced fists with her medical Ninjutsu in order to simultaneously heal the damage resulting from the punches, eventually killing the affected cells from over-replication)

- Analytical Prediction (Tsunade taught and trained Sakura to master her evasion techniques, which allowed her to gradually read someone's attack patterns and start dodging accordingly, even from blindspots)

- Immense Pain Tolerance (She can withstand grueling and life-threatening injuries, such as Kido's thick Kyuubi Cloak tail being plunged through her stomach, without succumbing to the pain or losing the ability to fight)

- Resistance to Electricity Manipulation (She was unaffected after being electrocuted by Kido's Lightning Clone, and could physically hold back his Raiton Bear Trap without any ill effects by concentrating her chakra)

- Possible Resistance to Paralysis Inducement/Existence Erasure/Power Nullification??? (She was still able to move and attack after being stabbed by Madara's TSB staff, and even regenerated her wound later, thanks to her Byakugō Justu)

  • I say "Possible" because there's a chance this is just PIS.

Sasuke Uchiha (Part II):​

- Resistance to Soul Manipulation (By using his chakra, can resist and overpower Orochimaru's attempt to take over his body, which entailed Orochimaru implanting his soul into Sasuke's body; however, he loses control to Orochimaru if he runs out of chakra)

- Immense Pain Tolerance (He was unaffected by one of his wings getting blown off, and was able to continue fighting despite the Susano'o causing "every cell in his body to hurt")

- Extra justification for his Resistance to Poison Manipulation (He can absorb Kurama's chakra, which acts like a poison, without suffering any ill effects)

- with the Rinnegan:

Sasuke Uchiha (New Era):​

- More justification for his Resistance to Poison Manipulation (Sasuke had repeatedly endured a lethal dose of various poisons)

Itachi Uchiha:​

- Sealing, BFR, and Illusion Creation with the Totsuka Blade (The Totsuka Blade is an ethereal weapon imbued with a Sealing Jutsu. Once it pierces its target, it seals their bodies and souls into a genjutsu world of drunken dreams for all eternity. Orochimaru, who had been sealed by the blade, was said to have had his presence completely erased from the Ninja World)

- Reactive Evolution and Power Nullification with Yata Mirror (It can change every one of its properties in order to match those of other attacks, allowing it to nullify them, whether the attacks are physical or spiritual)

  • This ability seems to operate on a similar principle to the Truth Seeking Balls' Nullification
- Immense Pain Tolerance (He could withstand using the Susano'o, which causes its user excruciating pain, despite already suffering great pain from his terminal illness)

Sasori:​

- Danmaku (Via Needle Sphere)

Konan:​

- Danmaku (She can transform into and control a massive amount of papers, and use them to attack others, among other things. She can control up to 600 billion papers at once)

Naruto Uzumaki (Part I):​

- Immense Pain Tolerance (He showed no signs of pain when he let Kabuto stab through his hand with a kunai, and even had enough strength left to grab hold of him.He endured Sasuke piercing through his chest and lungs, and could withstand the ill effects of overusing Kurama's poisonous, corrosive, chakra, unlike others who were exposed to it such as Sakura)

- Poison Manipulation with Kurama's chakra and Resistance to Poison Manipulation (Kurama's chakra acts like a poison that's difficult for even a skilled medic, who's well versed in countering deadly poisons, to properly heal. Naruto is seemingly immune to these effects, and recovers from them very quickly)

Naruto Uzumaki (New Era):​

- Immense Pain Tolerance (He can easily withstand Delta grinding a spike that's lodged in his midsection, and was only acting to be hurt in order to extract more information from her)

Hashirama Senju:​

- Resistance to Mind Manipulation/Body Puppetry (Can resist and undo the binding of Edo Tensei, which can control the bodies and erase the personalities of the revived corpses, whenever he wants)

Madara Uchiha:​

- For his Alive key:


- with the Rinnegan:

Obito Uchiha:​

- with the Rinnegan:

- Immense Pain Tolerance (Endured having his eye removed, losing an arm, and getting pierced straight through the chest and heart, enduring his injuries long enough to perform the Six Paths Ten-Tails Coffin Seal Jutsu)

Jiraiya:​

- Immense Pain Tolerance (Endured losing an arm, having his throat crushed, and getting stabbed by Pain's chakra receivers)

Orochimaru:​

- Immense Pain Tolerance (Endured losing an arm, laughed off getting ripped in half, and withstood being stabbed by Sasuke all while suffering from the pain caused by his illness which he got after losing part of his soul)

Kisame Hoshigaki:​

- Immense Pain Tolerance (Laughed off having his chest blown open by Bee's Lariat. He bit off his own tongue in order to avoid giving up intel, and willingly let himself get eaten alive by sharks without making a single noise)

A (Fourth Raikage):​

- Immense Pain Tolerance (He didn't even flinch when he cut off his own arm)

Nagato (Pain):​

- with the Rinnegan:

- Extrasensory Perception (Via the chakra sensing technique, he was able to pinpoint Kabuto's location from miles away)

Boruto Uzumaki:​

- Resistance to Possession (Boruto can resist Momoshiki's attempts to take over his body as long as he has enough chakra to retain conscioussness)
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Aside from Sakura resisting POS I agree with this.
 
LordGriffin1000 said:
However, regarding the Rinnegan seeing the Limbo Clones, didn't Sasuke do that with his buffed Rinnegan?. Would that really apply to the normal Rinnegan users?.
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Madara's own Rinnegan can see it. I'm not giving it to all Rinnegan users, just Sasuke's and Madara's Rinnegan specifically. Hagoromo can get a possibly or something, since both of their Rinnegan are based on his.
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
Madara's own Rinnegan can see it. I'm not giving it to all Rinnegan users, just Sasuke's and Madara's Rinnegan specifically. Hagoromo can get a possibly or something, since both of their Rinnegan are based on his.
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My bad, I'm a freaking idiot. I completely forgot Nagato and Obito had Madara's Rinnegan. My apologies. I'm fine with them having it.
 
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Okay, so other than the Sakura TSO shenanigans and the Limited Type 2 Immortality, is everything else good to go?
 
joshpiece said:
On Boruto tho idk if is resistant to possession or if it’s just due to the Karma seal not being 100%. maybe limited?
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😅 I still think full on resistance to possession isn’t right. The way it’s being portrayed is if the Karma seal was complete Momoshiki would easily take over his body.

Limited resistance makes the most sense imo.
 
joshpiece said:
The way it’s being portrayed is if the Karma seal was complete Momoshiki would easily take over his body.
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If the Karma Seal is complete he won't need to take over his body, since Boruto himself won't exist anymore. He will literally become Momoshiki, in the flesh.
It's pretty much exactly like Orochimaru's cursed seal, except they posses their host through "data" rather than their soul.
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
If the Karma Seal is complete he won't need to take over his body, since Boruto himself won't exist anymore. He will literally become Momoshiki, in the flesh.
It's pretty much exactly like Orochimaru's cursed seal, except they posses their host through "data" rather than their soul.
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Well no Boruto would just have his body hijacked. It’s even stated he would not be able to resist this.
The only reason why Momoshiki can’t take over Boruto fully is bc the karma seal isnt complete not that Boruto has resistance to this.


I think you are mistaking reincarnation with the possession aspect of the karma seal. You can control the host without having to reincarnate into them.
 
joshpiece said:
Well no Boruto would just have his body hijacked. It’s even stated he would not be able to resist this.
The only reason why Momoshiki can’t take over Boruto fully is bc the karma seal isnt complete not that Boruto has resistance to this.


I think you are mistaking reincarnation with the possession aspect of the karma seal. You can control the host without having to reincarnate into them.
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But I never said he'd be able to resist that. In fact, I'm saying the opposite. Once the Karma is complete, Boruto will be no more as long as Momoshiki chooses to reincarnate in him, yes.
I'm saying that Boruto's chakra is able to resist the current partial possession.
 
joshpiece said:
He’s only able to resist it Bc of the karma seal not being complete that’s why I say it’s limited.

It’s not that big of an addition so tbh idc I’m just saying what I think is right.
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Nah, nah, nah, I've thought about it and I actually think you have a point.

He definitely wouldn't have been able to resist it like that if it were complete, and even if he can we still haven't seen it yet.
So yeah, Limited should be fine I think.
 
Well, I've edited the OP to reflect the changes we've discussed so far. Can I apply the changes?
 
Minor addition, but Jiraiya needs water walking and his "Oil Manipulation" should be changed to Organic Manipulation (given the fact that he's literally the main example given on that ability's page lul).

Also @Damage3245, is everything cool with you now? If so, I can apply everything now.
 
The Ten-Tails Jinchūriki are impervious to Ninjutsu, but not Taijutsu and Senjutsu. Eighth Gate Guy was capable of knocking Madara around with nothing but fists and with Might Guy, he nearly obliterated Madara. Obito also managed to drive his hand through Madara's chest. Sakura punching Kaguya and harming her does not mean she has Senjutsu or Six Paths power, nor is it ever stated or suggested that she does; however, the Jin no Sho does declare her a user of both Yin and Yang Release but as everybody knows, most shinobi use a tiny bit of Yin or Yang Release in their Jutsu, just not to the degree of Naruto and Sasuke, of course.
 
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