[4-1-0] You say my brother trained you? Let's see if you paid attention... - Uchiha Itachi vs Uzumaki Boruto

[TauanVictor]

I just realized that Borushiki becomes FTL+.

Itachi won't have a chance.

 

[TauanVictor]

Then Momo takes control even faster, and he's fully immune to those lol

Technically Bee is immune too, and Tsukuyomi still works lol.

 

[TauanVictor]

Then Momo takes control even faster, and he's fully immune to those lol

Btw immunity isn't in Momoshiki's profile.

 

[Nonynho]

I just realized that Borushiki becomes FTL+.

Itachi won't have a chance.

Since Momo will take over sooner, it is also not unexpectable for Itachi to predict the transformation with his higher speed MS and pop out Susano'o before Momo takes over fully

 

[Nonynho]

Btw immunity isn't in Momoshiki's profile.

it's layered resistance to Genjutsu

 

[TauanVictor]

Since Momo will take over sooner, it is also not unexpectable for Itachi to predict the transformation with his higher speed MS and pop out Susano'o before Momo takes over fully

How Susano'o helps here exactly?

 

[TauanVictor]

Btw even if Momoshiki were to release Boruto quickly in the real world, a long time would pass in the Tsukuyomi world while Boruto was being punished.

 

[Nonynho]

How Susano'o helps here exactly?

1. Predicts the transformation with MS
2. Pops Susano'o up
3. Totsuka Blade's sealing = gg

Btw even if Momoshiki were to release Boruto quickly in the real world, a long time would pass in the Tsukuyomi world while Boruto was being punished.

if Momo can cancel the genjutsu (which i'm pretty sure he can, still, due to definetely being more powerful and skilled than any bijuu) no such thing should be true

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Question, is it even fair to say Itachi is gonna immediately use the best abilities in his arsenal to 'kill' Boruto in character?, such as Totsuka Blade and/or Susanoo? I find it very odd to imagine Itachi using those abilities against Boruto, especially when he doesn't appear as an immediate known threat to his existence such as someone like Nagato or Naruto. And against a kid too... Its SBA, he's supposed to be in character. I see him pulling the big guns once Borushiki comes out or smt

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Question, is it even fair to say Itachi is gonna immediately use the best abilities in his arsenal to 'kill' Boruto in character?, such as Totsuka Blade and/or Susanoo? I find it very odd to imagine Itachi using those abilities against Boruto, especially when he doesn't appear as an immediate known threat to his existence such as someone like Nagato or Naruto. And against a kid too... Its SBA, he's supposed to be in character. I see him pulling the big guns once Borushiki comes out or smt

Not humanizing Itachi because I know he's can be classified as a Mass Genocider. But I just dont see him using important abilities that drain him massively against some kid

 

[Nonynho]

Question, is it even fair to say Itachi is gonna immediately use the best abilities in his arsenal to 'kill' Boruto in character?

Genjutsu, definetely, since it's his gimmick, first move and yada yada

the others become IC when a stupidly stronger alien takes over his body outta nowhere so he wouldn't be killing """"a child"""" anymore

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Genjutsu, definetely, since it's his gimmick, first move and yada yada

I agree. Genjutsu is 1:1 Itachi as it is for any Uchiha ever. However, shouldn't Boruto be fine? Because, yk, The Big Bad Momo and Otsuktsuki general resistance to Genjutsu. I believe anything that puts Boruto's life in danger is a Momoshiki awakening actually. Anything Itachi's gonna do has to be non fatal or Bro wakes and stops the commotion.

the others become IC when a stupidly stronger alien takes over his body outta nowhere so he wouldn't be killing """"a child"""" anymore

In that scenario, Itachi gets blitzed, like very badly. Knowing the chain scale & is already a 20x speed gap. Itachi wouldn't even know what happened lel, this fight is interesting, but lowk, because Momoshiki exists here, Im leaning towards Boruto

 

[Nonynho]

However, shouldn't Boruto be fine? Because, yk, The Big Bad Momo and Otsuktsuki general resistance to Genjutsu

Some (like myself) believe that first Momo will take Boruto out of it and take control at a later point
Some (like @Aytugsss) believe that Boruto will get cooked by the genjutsu and Momo takes control

Boruto himself can't deal with the genjutsu by any means, not with Itachi's.

In that scenario, Itachi gets blitzed, like very badly. Knowing the chain scale & is already a 20x speed gap. Itachi wouldn't even know what happened lel, this fight is interesting, but lowk, because Momoshiki exists here, Im leaning towards Boruto

there's a huge problem with that, though

it is not instantly after the genjutsu procs that Momo's able to take control. And then...

Since Momo will take over sooner, it is also not unexpectable for Itachi to predict the transformation with his higher speed MS and pop out Susano'o before Momo takes over fully

1. Predicts the transformation with MS
2. Pops Susano'o up
3. Totsuka Blade's sealing = gg

 

[Aytugsss]

Momoshiki cannot free Boruto from a Tsukuyomi-level genjutsu.

Tsukuyomi wont work on borushiki

Furthermore, even if he could, it would take time, and in the meantime, Itachi could use Amaterasu or Totsuka.

Amaterasu also wont work, even kama boruto can absorb it

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Some (like myself) believe that first Momo will take Boruto out of it and take control at a later point
Some (like @Aytugsss) believe that Boruto will get cooked by the genjutsu and Momo takes control

Boruto himself can't deal with the genjutsu by any means, not with Itachi's.

I agree with Aytuguss, Boruto wouldn't possibly comprehend any Genjutsu Itachi decides to impose. I believe he might even use Tsukuyomi just to inflict severe damage on Boruto just for fun, similar to how he did Kakashi. Obviously Momoshiki would access the damage, as will be forced to take over as he can't allow his vessel to be out of commission and will panick, knowing Boruto cannot fight back anymore and will be left in a vegetative state. The last thing he'll hear is "Oi... Inferior Creature" and get multiple Oodama's to the stomach and die.

there's a huge problem with that, though

it is not instantly after the genjutsu procs that Momo's able to take control. And then...

While this is true and the 'predicting transformation' point is also somewhat valid? The transformation into Borushiki is not a SSJ transformation, which takes like 30 minutes to achieve. The moment he grows a horn, its over. Itachi is quick witted and accesses situations quick but so is Momoshiki, but while Itachi is thinking he fully destroyed Boruto with Genjutsu. Momoshiki is gonna slowly creep and slip his way into Boruto's consciousness and blitz him Rennigone style, without being detected as Otsuktsuki's can literally nullify their existence, which is another point that can be used. In the fight against Isshiki and the aftermath, Momoshiki did the same. Even with MS, he wouldn't sense this coming because he can neither predict, sense or perceive a transforming Boruto, He'd make sure his presence is nullified so Itachi doesn't predict a thing. Cmon this is Momoshiki Otsuktsuki, some Uchiha (which Momo has quite vast knowledge of both chakra and dojutsu) is not outsmartting or outtwitting him. He's also dodging anything in Itachi's arsenal after becoming Borushiki so Totsuka Blade and any other MS ability is a non factor.

 

[Aytugsss]

Since Momo will take over sooner, it is also not unexpectable for Itachi to predict the transformation with his higher speed MS and pop out Susano'o before Momo takes over fully

Transformation is not something predictable with sharingan precog, its not future sight
And momoshiki can take control before itachi activate his form3 susanoo which has totsuka blade

 

[Nonynho]

Itachi is quick witted and accesses situations quick but so is Momoshiki, but while Itachi is thinking he fully destroyed Boruto with Genjutsu.

You're confusing him with his brother who acts this way. Itachi is not one to assume.

and Itachi using his MS is more than capable of seeing that despite the genjutsu, the opponent is doing something unexpected
So Totsuka Blade goes boom.

 

[Aytugsss]

I agree with Aytuguss, Boruto wouldn't possibly comprehend any Genjutsu Itachi decides to impose. I believe he might even use Tsukuyomi just to inflict severe damage on Boruto just for fun, similar to how he did Kakashi. Obviously Momoshiki would access the damage, as will be forced to take over as he can't allow his vessel to be out of commission and will panick, knowing Boruto cannot fight back anymore and will be left in a vegetative state. The last thing he'll hear is "Oi... Inferior Creature" and get multiple Oodama's to the stomach and die.


While this is true and the 'predicting transformation' point is also somewhat valid? The transformation into Borushiki is not a SSJ transformation, which takes like 30 minutes to achieve. The moment he grows a horn, its over. Itachi is quick witted and accesses situations quick but so is Momoshiki, but while Itachi is thinking he fully destroyed Boruto with Genjutsu. Momoshiki is gonna slowly creep and slip his way into Boruto's consciousness and blitz him Rennigone style, without being detected as Otsuktsuki's can literally nullify their existence, which is another point that can be used. In the fight against Isshiki and the aftermath, Momoshiki did the same. Even with MS, he wouldn't sense this coming because he can neither predict, sense or perceive a transforming Boruto, He'd make sure his presence is nullified so Itachi doesn't predict a thing. Cmon this is Momoshiki Otsuktsuki, some Uchiha (which Momo has quite vast knowledge of both chakra and dojutsu) is not outsmartting or outtwitting him. He's also dodging anything in Itachi's arsenal after becoming Borushiki so Totsuka Blade and any other MS ability is a non factor.

The moment boruto fall to the genjutsu,momoshiki takes control and finish the game
But the thing is crossing my mind that what if itachi directly use susanoo and totsuka blade and use it on boruto, i mean momoshiki cant take over borutos body if boruto awake and kama boruto has no answer for it

 

[Nonynho]

Ayo, since Momoshiki is taking over very very soon

Why don't we change it to a stronger Boruto (i'm picturing TBV) but equalize speed?
Results should go pretty much the same way lol

 

[Aytugsss]

Ayo, since Momoshiki is taking over very very soon

Why don't we change it to a stronger Boruto (i'm picturing TBV) but equalize speed?
Results should go pretty much the same way lol

İm assuming its not current tbw boruto, right?

 

[Nonynho]

İm assuming its not current tbw boruto, right?

Could be the same key we're using but starting as Borushiki

Could be the last key of this profile

Could be any of the TBV keys

All with equal speed. I'm theorizing what would happen

 

[Aytugsss]

Could be the same key we're using but starting as Borushiki

Could be the last key of this profile

Could be any of the TBV keys

All with equal speed. I'm theorizing what would happen

İtachi cant beat any version of borushiki even with speed equalizition, borushiki can easily break through susanoo with oadama rasengan even before itachi activate stage three

 

[TauanVictor]

I still believe that by the time Momoshiki takes control (assuming he does), Itachi will have been sealed him, beheaded or something like this, so I'm voting Itachi.

 

[TauanVictor]

İtachi cant beat any version of borushiki even with speed equalizition, borushiki can easily break through susanoo with oadama rasengan even before itachi activate stage three

Itachi's MS reactions don't let Borushiki touch him.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

it's layered resistance to Genjutsu

why tho? I don't remember they ever using genjutsu on anyone of the otsutsuki

 

[Aytugsss]

Itachi's MS reactions don't let Borushiki touch him.

Then borushiki can just outlast itachi with flying,itachi cant use ms so much and borushiki can spam invincible vanishing rasengans which itachi cant see or sense

 

[Aytugsss]

why tho? I don't remember they ever using genjutsu on anyone of the otsutsuki

İts ironic but thats why we assuming that ootsutsuki has layered genjutsu because sasuke doesnt use any genjutsu on them
Even tought he has two of the strongest genjutsus (rinnegan genjutsu and tsukuyomi)
İt would be dumb if they doesnt has genjutsu resistance and ootsutsukis doesnt effected by eidas abilities from omnipotance

 

[TauanVictor]

Then borushiki can just outlast itachi with flying,itachi cant use ms so much and borushiki can spam invincible vanishing rasengans which itachi cant see or sense

Borushiki doesn't have invisible rasengans in this key.

 

[TauanVictor]

İts ironic but thats why we assuming that ootsutsuki has layered genjutsu because sasuke doesnt use any genjutsu on them
Even tought he has two of the strongest genjutsus (rinnegan genjutsu and tsukuyomi)
İt would be dumb if they doesnt has genjutsu resistance and ootsutsukis doesnt effected by eidas abilities from omnipotance

That should apply to the Senju Clan

 

[Aytugsss]

That should apply to the Senju Clan

We dont know the fights between senju and uchiha
And izune tried to use genjutsu on tobirama and tobirama immeditely closed his eyes

 

[TauanVictor]

We dont know the fights between senju and uchiha

It doesn't have to be everyone. Madara had several opportunities to use genjutsu on Hashirama and Tobirama, but he never did.

 

[Aytugsss]

Borushiki doesn't have invisible rasengans in this key.

İts okey he can still fly and outlast itachi

 

[Aytugsss]

It doesn't have to be everyone. Madara had several opportunities to use genjutsu on Hashirama and Tobirama, but he never did.

Hashirama probably has it but why would madara use genjutsu in 2 v 1 ? İts would be just waste of chakra
He never fought with tobirama in 1v1

 

[TauanVictor]

İts okey he can still fly and outlast itachi

Momoshiki's fighting style is taijutsu; he doesn't fly that much.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

İts ironic but thats why we assuming that ootsutsuki has layered genjutsu because sasuke doesnt use any genjutsu on them
Even tought he has two of the strongest genjutsus (rinnegan genjutsu and tsukuyomi)
İt would be dumb if they doesnt has genjutsu resistance and ootsutsukis doesnt effected by eidas abilities from omnipotance

Sasuke nerfed as he has been ever since the final valley 2 doesn't use a ton of powers and abilities that would be extremely useful in any fight (mainly the rinnegan stuff) and we don't grant Naruto or the Otsutsuki resistance to those

 

[Aytugsss]

Momoshiki's fighting style is taijutsu; he doesn't fly that much.

Thousend years of experience would know how understanditachi cant last long and since he cant hit him due to mangekyo sharingan, he surely tries to gain time

 

[Aytugsss]

Sasuke nerfed as he has been ever since the final valley 2 doesn't use a ton of powers and abilities that would be extremely useful in any fight (mainly the rinnegan stuff) and we don't grant Naruto or the Otsutsuki resistance to those

Sasuke doesnt nerfed after shippuden, he got far stronger like any other chsracters in boruto, you say it like sasuke lost his genjutsu abilities
Sasuke used his genjutsu in boruto series multiple times
And he didnt use a single time against ootsutsukis , even against borushiki or code
Because they have ootsutsuki blood
And yeah you can look up to ootsutsuki has page,they has genjutsu resistance because of this.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Sasuke doesnt nerfed after shippuden, he got far stronger like any other chsracters in boruto, you say it like sasuke lost his genjutsu abilities
Sasuke used his genjutsu in boruto series multiple times
And he didnt use a single time against ootsutsukis , even against borushiki or code
Because they have ootsutsuki blood
And yeah you can look up to ootsutsuki has page,they has genjutsu resistance because of this.

That doesn't answer or debunk my point.

Sasuke has strong abilities, abilities that would work extremely well against aliens and he doesn't use them. We don't give those aliens resistance to those abilities, giving them resistance to Genjutsu because he never used it on them doesn't debunk this point.

If there was a single line or scan that said "yeah those guys are immune" then sure I wouldn't be complaining but that's not the case.

 

[Aytugsss]

That doesn't answer or debunk my point.

İts did but nm

Sasuke has strong abilities, abilities that would work extremely well against aliens and he doesn't use them. We don't give those aliens resistance to those abilities, giving them resistance to Genjutsu because he never used it on them doesn't debunk this point.

İm not the one who saying it, its was in the page you can look at it and if something in the page that means "we" accepted it.
So if you dissagre with it, you can make your own revision and we can discuss it in there
So in this matchup you should accept genjutsu resistance for ootsutsukis

If there was a single line or scan that said "yeah those guys are immune" then sure I wouldn't be complaining but that's not the case.

The page also says
"Kaguya gathered an army in fear of Momoshiki, even though Kaguya has Infinite Tsukuyomi in her arsenal"
Again, if you dissagre with it, you free to make a new crt for it to be discussed again

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Why is Momoshiki being assumed to function like a Jin and will break Boruto out?

I’m voting Itachi via Genjutsu. I cannot remember a single Genjutsu resistance feat in Boruto.