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Taking skill is crazy given who raoh matches n beat in the storyAkuma being High 6-A because of a non canon feat and somehow getting Skill is ew, but he still lost lmao my goat Raoh would never.
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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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Yawn, get some actual good debate arguments before you start vague posting about a one off comment I made from 2 days ago lol.
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My considerations are still open-ended questions because we don't know what actually happened in Legion of 3 Worlds and how that would apply in a debate like this, this is a cyclical argument where you're begging the question rather than giving a direct answer. Death Battle has already entertained all possible interpretations in their analysis before like debunking the Black hole feat that Archie Sonic survived and assumed it to be a wormhole instead of taking it at face value due to the internal contradictions that come with it.
Said 6D chess grandmaster who's whole shtick is to be 3 steps ahead of everyone because Snyder took the whole Batman prep time meme actually seriously, and in the one story where Prime absolves himself happens to be the one where he goes all out against him and still loses? You sure we read the same comic?
Like, the funniest thing about all this is that you somehow take the Darkest Knight at his word by his statement of him saying that neither can defeat the other, but then you downplay and disregard his intellect at the same time. So which is it, dude? Because it's awfully convenient for you to claim that the Darkest Knight couldn't do anything to Prime just because he said so but then ignore everything else he's said and done across his publication history for the sake of trying to prove that Prime is soooo much smarter than him lmao.
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Supersimp-Prime is average in intelligence. Funny.
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It's not a one-off when you seriously argued that statement and kept sealioning about an actual argument I made when I told you that Death Battle already finds it legit enough to include it in Sentry's preview
The irony of you saying all this while changing your profile picture multiple times before settling on a "there's no limit to the glaze" flight reacts meme. How apt.
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Literally the reason I don't @ your ass when replying is half of it being due to this broken forum shittting the bed and preventing me from directly responding to anyone unless it's just a general response, and the other half being that I've already said what's been said and I don't care enough to waste time on someone who's just going to stop being in this thread once the actual Death Battle comes out regardless of the results.
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Ur the one that said I claimed his armor was "indestructible" which I never once said, u forced that word into my statement
They never said the word "omnipresent" (which u claimed sentry has) once in sentry's preview btw, they literally just read the panel word for word.
Also who cares if people leave after this, if they have no interest in the next matchup why should they engage with it?
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I meant moreso that taking the narrative at face value on its own merits has an easier conclusion than asking questions which would just require headcanon to answer. I don’t think this is really analogous to the Archie thing.
I didn’t even say Prime was smarter than TDK, just that if we take the narrative at face value, then it’s weird that TDK didn’t just use his infinite intelligence and cosmic powers to create an instant winning condition, and at minimum had to somehow make Prime think he had to kill himself in order to actually ‘win’ (if that’s what you say really happened, even though that would contradict the narrative on its own merits). There isn’t going to be a Bruce Banner ‘finds the equation necessary to insta-win’ equivalent here due to Sentry’s intelligence, which was my point.
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Please stop gaslighting, dude.
Please understand the meaning of "anywhere" and "everywhere"
Gee, it's almost like you people only come here to ruin any semblance of actual debate by being a nuisance with terrible bad faith arguments and then piss off until another episode of Marvel vs DC Death Battle match comes around and the cycle repeats over and over again.
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It's analogous because Death Battle had to analyze the legitimacy of Archie Sonic surviving that supermassive black hole when some snow on his foot also survived the destruction, when the argument was that Sonic took the explosion of said supermassive black hole. And that particular page literally stated that it was a black hole already and not a wormhole that they deduced it to be.
And you're downplaying Sentry's intellect here just because it's not utilized properly by any writer other than his original. Prime's no more intelligent than your average 20-something except he lacks maturity; Sentry on the other hand is an adult at least and described plenty of times of having superior intelligence which is an actual metric Death Battle would judge for as far back as Bowser vs Eggman so it still counts. There are also plenty of characters that have the power to reshape reality and give them an insta-win all the time and Death Battle's acknowledged this sort of thing as far back as Strange vs Fate and Wanda vs Zatanna. The Darkest Knight literally had the power to also wipe out the other heroes but instead chose to make the Dark Multiverse cronies fight them instead.
You know what also contradicts the narrative? Sentry, being more powerful than the Scarlet Witch during House of M, dying to Knull in his regular state and not his merged form, and choosing to stay dead even though this particular death isn't that much different from the thousands of ways he's died before. But when exactly has questionable writing stopped Death Battle from taking it into consideration and applying their own internal logic to make it make sense within their own analysis?
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Energy draining + reality warping + telepathic assault + soul manipulation/destruction + double teaming with the Void
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Energy draining on a dude that not even parasite wanted to touch. (Someone who has no problem draining mainline superman and king of hell doomsday btw)
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I know it doesnt matter but them using "snow" to downplay that Archie Sonic feat when it actually was smoke from landing is bit sad.
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Energy draining = equal, regardless of ends
Reality warping = Prime already has resistance to that withing his own Powers, not Even TDK abilities of reshaping/changing histories was able to affect him.
Telepathic assault = resistes being attacked by MM and a powered up evil saturn girl by king Omega darkseid that can mess up Superman mentallity, but can't against prime ironically enough
Soul manipulatión/destructión = This is where i Say he has little counters to being attacked to his soul...... But.. there's the black lanter ring feat,
Black Lantern attacks do affect the soul tho it's how they've been able to hurt beings who aren't able to be damaged in the physical sense and literal ghosts/spirits (like Deadman stating himself he's being affected by Black Lanterns and Firestorm literally developing a evil spilt personality because the Black Lantern was hijacking his body and holding back his soul, ofc Nerkon needs zero explanation.)
Prime not actually dying and resisting the Black Lantern ring to the point it changed color and broke means his soul literally overpowered the ring and was capable of ignoring death even when Superman himself and countless other heroes were unable to do so.
double teaming with the Void = it can be a proper wincon too, if not were the fact that the void can mess up with Sentry mentally and making him unstable, it could work if merged Sentry is included(and obviously is included lol) but again the void it's still dominant to him that was necessary purge the void in Sentry's body.
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...dawg, Parasite's powers require him to also absorb their consciousness too, Sentry's just takes their energy without any of the mental hang ups lmao
Also, even if that were the case, Sentry already has experience from having to deal with the Void literally living in his head rent-free, Prime's mental issues would be far more preferable than the Void lol
Also, even if that were the case, Sentry already has experience from having to deal with the Void literally living in his head rent-free, Prime's mental issues would be far more preferable than the Void lol
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debatable. Not always the case
Power Absorption(Mental)
- Sapped the brains of his coworkersAC#340
- Absorbed superman's mentality and inner most secretsAC#340
- Accidently kills an Alien stealing its life and memoriesAC#361
- Absorbed some of Jimmy Olsen's Journalistic TalentAC#361
- Siphoned off the Journalistic Talent of all the Journalists at the Daily PlanetAC#361
- Using the genius of the Scientists of star labs he created the Power Prism. AC#361
- Drained every thought from a Professor, rendering the old man brain deadSM#322
- From getting punched he is able to instantly learn every prevalent detail of Cory Renwald's careerSM#369
- Points a finger at a Black Belt in karate who then can't even bring himself to hit Parasite and finds that all of his memories of learning karate had been stolen.AC#555
- Steals Superman's Popularity. This is so potent that even after his identity is revealed the people still side with him, both of Kal El's personas are harassed, and Parasite is invited onto Tv just because.AC#578
- Drained Superman's Self EsteemAC#578
- Absorbs some of superman's power as he flys byAC#340
- He can target an energy signature which allows him to figure out instantly that Clark Kent is SupermanAC#340
- Absorbed the strength of a crowd he walked byAC#340
- Drained nearly all of superman's lifeforce in their fightAC#340
- Accidently knocked out a crowd of peopleAC#340
- Absorbed superman's heat visionAC#340
- Slowed drained superman's powers from a careful distanceAC#361
- Goes on the attack, where he drains superman to the extent that it takes him days to recoverAC#361
- Absorbed the power of Lex Luthor's Quasar BazookaSM#299
- Gained the appearance of superman and used this power to defeat him and become the dictator of earth WF#246 & #247
- Drained the Energy of Hundreds of People offpanelSM#321
- Drained all of Superman's powers over the course of five minutesSM#321
- When Parasite first Ambushes Superman on Christmas, his "energy-absorbing powers... more debilitating than ever!"SM#369
- Knocks superman out, but leaves him after he finds him undernourished.SM#369
- Absorbs most of superman's powers before they even meet upDCP#55
- Absorbs all of superman's power before they meet upAC#555
- His absorption is faster than superman's flightAC#555
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Again considering prime is more stable nowadays, it's doubful if the void can mess up with him, and he's aware the kind of stuff he did in the past but like he said "if they got revived, he actually kill them?".
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Can't believe I need to reiterate again that Sentry's energy draining will always be greater than the amount that Prime can drain from him due to Sentry being able to absorb all forms of energy from anywhere and everywhere and not just sunlight.
Darkest Knight wasn't shown warping reality at Prime and nothing in the panels looked like it was. This is supported by the fact that when the Darkest Knight fought Perpetua, all he did was bludgeon her with literal planets instead of using his reality warping against her so he doesn't really use his reality bending all that much lmao.
Jean Grey is wayyy above Martian Manhunter since she can literally put up a psionic fight against Galactus himself and Emma scales to her telepathy by being able to shut down her powers.
I read the Superman Vol. 6 issue and Prime didn't resist Omega Saturn Girl, he just tricked her into thinking that he was on her side by just letting his thoughts of his hatred towards the OG Legion flow through his head because it was the only way to prevent Superman's thoughts from being read by her.
The black lantern rings don't affect the soul actually. When the rings controlled the resurrected heroes during Blackest Night, the rings attached themselves on the heroes and ordered them to die so that their bodies could be controlled by Nekron. There is no soul left in those heroes as their bodies were literally dead. Deadman can be affected by the black lanterns because he is also a dead person; this is even evidenced by the fact that his own corpse was reanimated by a black lantern ring whilst his actual self (his regular soul) still acted independently of it. The rings just use a person as a host for Nekron's will.
Both Void and Sentry have worked together before, such as when Void took on the form of Sentry to save Lindy when Sentry himself couldn't because he was having a mental breakdown and they both deeply cared for her, and again during Lemire's run where Bob, Void, and Sentry made peace with one another to merge into a singular being. And the Void doesn't necessarily have to take over Sentry all the time, especially in a Death Battle where it's more likely for them to go after Prime directly.
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Prime is relatively stable recently. Death Battle has been researching this fight for a while, and it's clear they're not going to count his current ongoing as it hasn't even finished yet so we don't know if he's going to revert back or what.
Also, the Void has been able to mentally screw with all of the heroes during the Siege event, including Spider-Man who's worthy enough to wield Mjolnir.
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spiderman LMAOOOO, his modern writing just give peter trauma slop damn near every issue. I dont see why they wouldn't count it? Its not just issue 36-38 of superman where hes stable, it started in death metal and has grown since his return last year.
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It's very much soul manipulation because if u have died and came back, you are still connected to nekron
Prime has "died" before he can into the black lantern rings trying to kill him and take over, yet he still resisted when other heros (especially superman) couldn't
Prime has "died" before he can into the black lantern rings trying to kill him and take over, yet he still resisted when other heros (especially superman) couldn't
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Both still have methods of absortion energy that can be approached by both with no actual winner side having absorbtion of Magic,solar energy, Quantum energy and Even antimatter energy in both sides, so there's no need to go futher here
And the Telepathic thing it's importante given MM
Was able to restrain Perpetua itself and Makes Mister Mxyzptlk’s sub-consciousness say his name backwards messing with his mind, and with saturn girl in reality Prime reveals he was completely unaffected by her mind reads and immune to her telepathy haxes and proceeds to blitz the Legion, The Darkseid variant of Saturn empowers an already powerful and top tier telepath in the DC verse to a bloodlusted Omega Energy enhanced world wiper that goes against DC's best.
The black lanter ring it's still up for being concrete,
Deadman disproves this entire notion because he didn't have a body to begin with as he's a literal soul/spirit meaning him confirming he's vulnerable and susceptible to their attacks means they're capable of damaging souls (we literally see him get a real body after the event which means that he a spirit was still being affected by the Black Lanterns.)
The Spectre also blatantly debunks this because we see the soul clash with the ring and body of the Black Lantern and get overpowered with the Black Lantern verbatim saying the ring will stop his soul from fighting back (they reiterate over and over that the spirit is being held back by the Black Lantern and that should tell you something considering this is the Spectre of all characters.)
And Conner Kent's Superboy debunks this entirely because we see the actual POV of the revived people that were turned into Black Lanterns and his soul is literally being consumed and deteriorating because of the Black Lantern (literally had to time travel to separate himself and destroy the ring because his Black Lantern self was about to erase his soul and since Prime wasn't remotely affected by these Black Lantern capabilities he does indeed have soul resistance.)
And again the Sentry/void acting in par to attack prime can be still a wincon, but the void is proper cause of his instability, they can work together if Sentry works through The Void and its destructive nature, but if under extreme stress or mental trauma, will take its form and spread evil to the world. And damaging sentry's mentallity whatsover, that's why with the help of reed go to the negative zone to sepárate from the void given he was to dangerous to contain and undone the good thing Sentry does, was letting more disastrous cause by the void(annihilation-scourge, silver surfer).
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And that issue it's not that recently, it's about the last year, so it should be counted.
Again black lantern ring trying to corrupt him/mess with him but doesn't work etc..etc.
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Oh no you don't, Death Battle's already done this energy absorption deal before with Wally West, and they've already concluded that beings that can absorb that amount can still gain the greater sum of energy.
Prime cannot absorb anything other than sunlight to fuel his powers. Period. Please stop ignoring this because it's getting annoying.
J'onn didn't do that lol
And Mxyzptlk is pretty easy to trick into saying his name backwards, J'onn went to his subconscious, not his actual consciousness. There's a difference. That version of Saturn Girl had literally nothing special added to her powerset other than that she was raised to be ruthless and merciless. Jean still wipes the floor with both her and J'onn regardless.
No, it isn't. One of the major plot points in Blackest Night was revealed by the black lantern version of Firestorm saying verbatim "He will rise invader, and there is nothing you can do to stop it." which made it clear that the black lanterns were not the actual heroes at all, just zombie lanterns.
Spectre requires a dead body to function. That's not the case for direct soul manipulation, especially since Spectre would easily overpower the rings and the black lanterns. His host body of Crispus Allen was taken over directly by the black lantern ring and that overrides the spiritual control of the Spectre in favor of actual bodily control by the ring.
Again, the rings override any spiritual control due to physically taking over the body by making them die first before reanimating the corpse to serve Nekron; it doesn't matter how much the art makes it look, when that isn't how the rings operate.
Void actually cares about Sentry and genuinely loves him in his own twisted way. I fail to see why on Earth the Void will just interrupt to attack Sentry when he's busy fighting Prime when Void would rather emerge to either fight Prime directly or just tag-team with Sentry against him. That's literally never happened in the Sentry comics.
The main plot with Prime is still ongoing so they will not be putting in whatever occurs in there other than that he's working on his redemption but that's it. They're not counting anything post DC K.O.
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He owns ur soul if u have died at all, prime has died yet still resisted nekrons power
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Also nekron already pinned the specter lmao
He already punked the specter lmao, what are u on about
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Pre-Crisis Nekron and Pre-Flashpoint Nekron operate very differently. The current Nekron that everyone knows about requires the black lantern rings to enact his will. Anything that's died is controlled by him, but that doesn't mean he can control their souls, otherwise there wouldn't be any afterlives in DC Cosmology if Nekron is capable of calling on them.
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Nekron lacks a soul for Spectre to enact his justice on. Can you not read? You literally put the scan in your reply.
Also, it's Spectre. He's going to be a jobber in most events to set up the antagonist; by your logic, Batman kicking him across the face that one time means that Batman can scale to Nekron and Prime directly.
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Like the celestials has not actual anti-feats by their own too
Really, even the black lanter ring can seal on the spectre, and has show to held back the souls of who is controled
Really, even the black lanter ring can seal on the spectre, and has show to held back the souls of who is controled
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Irrelevant, still low diffed him and the batman "feat" was spectre letting batman hit him.
Also death metal making everything In mainline continuity canon makes the "versions" argument stupid, it's the same dude.
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Death Battle's not going to include anti-feats for the Celestials just because they have to be jobbers to the next flavor of the year event villain.
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Great to know that you think Batman can scale to Superboy-Prime then lmao
Actually, that's questionably canon because New History of the DC Universe has established their own continuity as being canon now.
Oh, and how come DC won't acknowledge the Superman and Batman Generations III #11 if you really want to do this canon thing now lol
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