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Unless we need some buffer cause the next next time has some big changes in scaling I doubt it.
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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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What stats each character was put at (Ichigo vs Yusuke was pretty vague)
Sentry: Multiversal (Just from the preview)
Super Metal Sonic: Multiversal
Cell: Solar System
Ichigo: Solar System
Metal Sonic: Star Level
Yusuke: Large Planet
Bakugō: Country (Based off scaling from other My Hero episodes)
Denji: Island
Yūji: Small city
Reze: Large Town
Gru: Small town
Megamind: City Block (With Death Ray)
Sentry: Multiversal (Just from the preview)
Super Metal Sonic: Multiversal
Cell: Solar System
Ichigo: Solar System
Metal Sonic: Star Level
Yusuke: Large Planet
Bakugō: Country (Based off scaling from other My Hero episodes)
Denji: Island
Yūji: Small city
Reze: Large Town
Gru: Small town
Megamind: City Block (With Death Ray)
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CSM will probably get another match around the time season 2 is airing. Probably Power.
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It's gonna be Aki vs Megumi
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I am perpetually predicting MewtwoShadow2, AangTraveler for Fall ep and NarutoLuffy for either last 2 episodes.
Cell was Galaxy level from anime feat.
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I said it before, these individuals only show up to cry and whine of a match up snd glaze one character winning and if they lose they keep insisting its bullshit from Death Battle and then vanish
And that goes for anything else outside this, Ingrid in Street Fighter showing cosmic stuff suddenly attracted redditors amd youtubers with tier 1 glaze and what not, while they had no interest till then
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No, clearly Sentry’s super-intellect (underutilized by anyone except Jenkins) means he would mog Superboy Prime, even though a guy who canonically had the collective intellects of infinite versions of Batman beamed into his head (and could look into the past, present, and future, and infinite other timelines and universes) basically gave up trying to fight him and tried to compromise.
Just wait for the G1 blog bro
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LMAO, infinite? That's it?, sentry is reed level so he insta mogs prime. Didn't u know that's how it works?
Remember man, TDK was actually just faking and lying when he tried to talk it out with prime, he could've easily killed him..... totally
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I can't believe I'm actually saying this but why are you downplaying the Darkest Knight in favor of Prime by your logic, that means Brainiac 5 of the Legion of Super Heroes is smarter than him because he figured out a way to trick Prime into facing off against his Time Trapper version of himself.
Darkest Knight is a manipulative trickster and Prime couldn't even put an end to him outright lmao
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It's primarily because one guy here keeps sealioning in this thread over and over again lol
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And after this MU happens and its done, he wont be seen ever again, as usual with these individuals
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Not that I don't think Death Battle is and has been bullshit, there's been plenty of matches in recent memory that are and there's a genuine case to be made for it, but it's not like these people don't come around here to be annoying and to just run any discussion into the ground by employing cyclical arguments, blatant misinformation, and tactics of argumentum ad infinitum to actually take anything they say seriously. It's about as bad faith as Death Battle's worst episodes lol.
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Doesn’t actually nullify the argument, since Brainy exploited a technicality that didn’t exist when TDK fought Prime (that the future version of Prime in that specific timeline of the 31st century was chosen to be the incarnation of the Time Trapper, so he could sabotage his past self), and that was a weaker version of Prime (he didn’t know about his meta powers yet).
And even then, Brainy being smarter than TDK isn’t ridiculous; he’s stated to be the smartest being in the multiverse, and is smarter than all versions of his ancestor. Various Brainiac instances have before catalogued infinite information across entire multiverses, see even the most recent Brainiac Queen arc in Action Comics by Williamson.
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Yeah tbf I dont think new posters are posting in that bad faith.
But it still is:
But it still is:
And so forth.
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Yeah people have the right to make arguments. The fact that they’re not regulars to this thread isn’t really a bad thing, either, even if they don’t fully cohere to the traditional ‘etiquette’ here, I suppose
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Well that contradicts your original claim of the Darkest Knight since he's not only got the collective intellect of infinite versions of Batman along with having access to Dr. Manhattan's powerset of seeing across all of time and space in existence when he's been able to affect all of DC continuity.
Brainiac isn't as intelligent as someone like Dr. Manhattan, let alone the Darkest Knight who's whole deal is being 3 steps ahead of everyone else. Downplaying all of that just to put up Prime is asinine. That's not how Death Battle sees it, or Geoff Johns, or the editors at DC either.
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One of these guys genuinely argued a false statement of Prime's armor being indestructible and kept recycling multiple arguments over and over again. That's sealioning. That's bad faith regardless of how you'd like to spin it lmao.
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It doesn’t contradict anything, since I gave two reasons why the scenarios were different. If the first one isn’t sufficient (that that exploit just wasn’t available anymore, since the Time Trapper was someone else), then the second one would be (that Prime just became more powerful). In fact, the second one protects the first one, since if Prime was just powerful enough to not be reality warped by TDK, TDK couldn’t just warp that exploit back into existence when it’s already been ‘patched’, so to speak.
‘Downplaying’ TDK even though he had all that and couldn’t beat Prime isn’t my headcanon, it’s what really happened. And that issue was co-written by Scott Snyder, who wrote TDK as this 6D Chess grandmaster. I was just giving an in-canon reason for why your argument (Brainiac 5 is smarter than TDK since the former could manipulate Prime into losing, while the latter couldn’t) isn’t even sufficient to cause a contradiction, even for the sake of argument. If you don’t accept that, that’s fine, since it doesn’t affect the central argument at all.
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This argument is too capricious because of the amount of assumptions that have to be made:
- Did Prime retcon punch the Time Trapper version of himself?
- Was it just physical touch alone all that was needed for both Prime and the Time Trapper to get affected because of the nature of time travel between two alternate timeline versions of Prime?
- Did Prime actually get erased when he hit Time Trapper or did he just teleport to Earth Prime since he still has all of his memories?
- If the Darkest Knight claims that he couldn't beat Prime, because they're supposedly equal in power, why is it that he wasn't defeated when Prime put all of his strength into one punch at him and somehow Prime also died from it?
- Could the argument not be made that the Darkest Knight manipulated Prime into defeat via persuasion like he's always done before since Prime still lost his fight against the Darkest Knight in spite of them apparently being equals?
Call if bad writing or plot holes but unless you can give a definitive argument for 5 of these that don't spiral into headcanon territory (and something that Death Battle would actually consider), then I'll concede, but until then, it won't move the needle much for me.
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These aren’t relevant, since the end condition (that Prime wasn’t a threat to the Legions anymore) was the only thing Brainy desired; what was instrumental to that end isn’t necessary to know.
First is negated from your other considerations of whether Prime actually even died from the Time Trapper thing (or just appeared somewhere else with all his memories), just applied in the case of his fight against TDK. And secondly, that does require some deception against the reader going on, which is less likely than just believing the narrative on its own merits.
Yeah, you have to say it’s a plot hole for what you said to work. My argument is just accepting the fact that a 6D chess grandmaster couldn’t robustly defeat Prime means that an intelligence advantage derived from a character being comparable to other Marvel supergeniuses wouldn’t amount to much, even if accepted as legitimate for the sake of argument.
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Also I'm finding it a bit disingenuous for people to say Sentry's intelligence isn't going to be a factor in this battle as if we didn't have a battle in this era not even a year ago that was won from a Marvel character having a vast intelligence advantage that helped them win over their 'unkillable' opponent.
Is it going to be the biggest factor in Sentry's favor? Probably not. But will it probably be the little push to give Sentry and edge with how contentious their other stats might be? With how DB does these kinds of fights it probably could.
Is it going to be the biggest factor in Sentry's favor? Probably not. But will it probably be the little push to give Sentry and edge with how contentious their other stats might be? With how DB does these kinds of fights it probably could.
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Mention me directly next time buddy
It's genuinely baffling you keep saying I said primes armor was indestructible. I said it's taken hits from people stronger than sentry so he can't break it.
Unlike you who made the omnipresent absorption claim over and over with no proof.
Oh and hey Peter! saw that u liked his comment. You gonna actually debate ur sentry win cons or keep dodging Everytime I reply to u.
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Yeaaaah, no. Going there rn to debunk this.
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Prolly cuz people wonder if Death Battle will actually have both equals in stats or close at least, let alone if retcon punch will work or not and how they can take each other out and both sides dont agree
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U can't, it's literally all accurate and has sources sited.
Yall been using existence erasure feats for narrative manipulation lol.
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"Its accurate" , no its subjective, and a horribly researched one at that. But whatever lol
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Akuma being High 6-A because of a non canon feat and somehow getting Skill is ew, but he still lost lmao my goat Raoh would never.
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"Subjective" LMAO. How when the story blatantly shows you what happened.
U wanna show how its narrative/retcon resistance because I still haven't seen a solid panel of him resisting it at all.
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And they still run the narrative raging demon is a soul destroying moveAkuma being High 6-A because of a non canon feat and somehow getting Skill is ew, but he still lost lmao my goat Raoh would never.
Vs debaters still dont know to this day that in the japanese text they dont mention it as such, its just death hax
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Oh shoot, I found the scan for Sentry resisting plot erasure!
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Diabolical work
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Akuma being High 6-A because of a non canon feat and somehow getting Skill is ew, but he still lost lmao my goat Raoh would never.
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