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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

Emirp sumitpo said:
MU idea I made: Thragg vs Tarn

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I prefer Thragg vs IDW Megatron, and I plan to do one for that, but I thought this was a pretty good alt for Thragg.

Main Theme: High ranking officers who took control of their empires after the fall of the leader they're obsessed with, who maintain a mask of regality to hide their brutal selves.

Theme Name: Regal Brutality

Connections:

  • Both hail from space-conquering alien empires and have a high command position within it (Thragg is Grant Regent of Viltrum while Tarn, being a Phase Sixer and leader of the DJD, gives him a rank comparable to a General)
  • Both are among the most powerful of their empires and received their powers through non-conventional methods (Thragg is the result of a long process of eugenics programs to create the most pure blooded Viltrumite. Tarn is a Point One Percenter, a mutant amongst the Cybertronian race, and was placed through the Ununtrium bonding process to make him one of the Warrior's Elite, the Decepticon's most powerful warriors)
  • Both were groomed by their empires respectively to beome the warriors they are today (Thragg was raised to be Viltrum's ultimate warrior while Tarn was manipulated by Megatron to be one of his most twisted followers)
  • Both serve under a character voiced by Frank Welker (Argall and Megatron)
  • Both bear some form of obsession towards their leader (Thragg is heavily loyal towards Argall's ideals and carried them on even after his death, and even forms a weird connection to Argall's skull, refusing to let it be destroyed. Tarn worships Megatron to a cult-like degree, modeling himself after him, constantly quoting his works and maintains absolute loyalty towards his leader)
  • Both maintain a face of regality, often talking in very formal and elegant manners as fitting of their positions. This is a stark contrast to their nature in action, in which both are constantly shown to be incredibly brutal, often dismembering opponents and ripping them apart.
  • Both maintain immense loyalty to their cause, even carrying on after the seeming dismantling of their empires (Thragg continued on his duty to preserve the Viltrumites even after Viltrum's destruction. Tarn would continue on his role with the DJD, even after the war ended, refusing to stop unless Megatron called for his Decepticons to stop)
  • Both of them eventually have their loyalties "betrayed" in some manner that is connected to their leaders, leading to their downfall and them taking their own path (After discovering Nolan is the son of Argall, Thragg ambushes him, disgusted that Argall's son to be a traitor and unworthy to lead Viltrum. This causes the other Viltrumites to turn on Thragg and pledge loyalty to Nolan, leading to Thragg's exile. Tarn discovers Megatron has defected to the Autobots, leading him into a depressive state where he nearly kills himself out of feeling lost)
  • After their leader's disappearance, both would take command of their empires in some form (Thragg would go from Regent to Grand Regent until one of Argall's heirs are found. Tarn would team with Deathsaurus to form his own new Decepticon battalion)
  • Both would raise brand new armies to wage war against those they deem traitors to their ideals, as well as the main heroes of the story (Thragg would create a massive Viltrumite army out of Thraxan hybrids to wage war against both the new Viltrum empire and to Coalition of Planets. Tarn would join forces with Deathsaurus to wage war against Megatron and the Autobots of the Lost Light)
  • This leads in one massive final battle between them and the main heroes of the story.
  • In doing so, both would slowly begin to lose the trust of their new armies as they both began to be slowly consumed by vengeance, with them sacrificing one of their own closest "allies", which in then leads to a female member in their army to lose faith in them (Thragg would allow his son to be killed by Mark, leading to Ursaal slowly losing trust in Thragg, realizing he doesn't care for her siblings. Tarn would kill Kaon for having a moment of weakness over his pet, leading to Nickel, the DJD's medic, to realize that Tarn was only obsessed with Megatron and not the Decepticon cause)
  • This in turns leads them to being betrayed by their own armies and left alone (Thragg is abandoned by his children as they decide to stop following him. Deathsaurus betrays Tarn and retreats from the final battle, leaving him alone with just the DJD)
  • Both fatally wound the big traitors of their empire (Thragg fatally wounds Nolan and Tarn almost kills Megatron while the latter is bargaining for the Autobots to be spared, albeit Megatron refused to fight back)
  • Both eventually discard even trying to uphold the ideals of their empire, having been so consumed by vengeance that their revenge against the "traitors" is all that matters (Thragg deems the Thraxan hybrids a failure and the Viltrum empire dead, now obsessed with revenge against mark and his allies. Nickel realizes Tarn is a hypocrite and only truly cared for his vengeance against Megatron)
  • This is in heavy contrast to others who defected from their cause, even if still loyal to preserving their empire, have chosen to better themselves for the greater good. Both involve Earth in the matter. (Kregg and the others still maintain their duty to preserve the Viltrumites, but slowly realize the error of their ways through love on earth. Soundwave takes command of the remaining Decepticons on Cybertron, and chooses to work with Optimus and the humans to preserve peace and rebuild their broken homes)
  • Both are eventually killed through non-conventional means and die alone (Thragg burns in the heat of the sun while Tarn is trapped in a panic bubble and killed via Megatron's anti-matter)
  • Both of them have faced off against battle hungry warriors that happen among the strongest characters in their verse (Battle Beast and Overlord)
  • One parallel is that Thragg is much more lenient to traitors than Tarn is (Thragg gives Mark multiples chances to join the empire and even allows Nolan a second chance to rejoin the empire in the middle of their fight. Tarn literally leads a team that specializes in killing traitors)
Debate potential: Mainly kinda boils down to where you scale each other physically, both can easily be argued to be at most within the planetary ranges and FTL in speed. Abilities wise quite easily goes to Tarn with Thragg being mostly a punch kick merchant.

Animation potential: I do think there's potential given the right choreography. Tarn primarily focuses on range while Thragg utilizes physical attacks and large shockwaves similar to other Viltrumites in combat. Given how well Megs vs Frieza was handled choreography wise, I do think there's somthing feasible here. Tarn's voice being used as a finisher could be quite cool in some moments though it is somewhat debatable if it would work on Thragg.
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I **** with it.
 
TMaakkonen said:
Oh Tipper seems to think M2Shadow2 rumor is still legit, phew lol

While I dont want too many remakes, I will give M2Shadow this, its actually decent MU that never had a good fight, so it would immensely benefit from actual fight. Deadass dont think we need any other remakes in a long while after that. "But I wanna see my fav old fight in new style" is sorta respectable, but if it was good, Id be ok with not too many remakes.

Only other thing is that supposedly DB Team member (Sam?) replied to M2Shadow2 idea with eyes emoji in Reddit or Twitter. We'll see.

...God LightColumbo still better be bonus ep and not full one. Now thats BJ job I dont want to wait for 4 weeks.
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Would the remake put Shadow above Batman in terms of appearances?
 
OrangeFR said:
Yeah I honestly always saw M2VSS2 being a symptom of Sonic fans getting mad that Shadow lo-, um, the episode was bad, yeah that’s the only reason why they want it. Definitely.
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This is the same episode where they narrate that Shadow would be susceptible to mind control in the post-analysis... right on top of a clip playing where he is resisting mind control. To act like it was mostly because Shadow lost, rather than it simply being a truly mid/bad episode, is an overgeneralization that reeks of Reddit-level dishonesty.

Obviously fanboys play a part in the crowd who want a rematch because of their preferred losing, but they are hardly ever the totality or majority. Don't be obnoxious with your thinly veiled disdain.
 
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I don't know why they give Reimu the debatable as hell brane Cosmology args, If they think Outerversal for her makes more sense.

They even try to argue against the Anti-feats for It.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
MU idea I made: Thragg vs Tarn

b7a0c70993f2.png

I prefer Thragg vs IDW Megatron, and I plan to do one for that, but I thought this was a pretty good alt for Thragg.

Main Theme: High ranking officers who took control of their empires after the fall of the leader they're obsessed with, who maintain a mask of regality to hide their brutal selves.

Theme Name: Regal Brutality

Connections:

  • Both hail from space-conquering alien empires and have a high command position within it (Thragg is Grant Regent of Viltrum while Tarn, being a Phase Sixer and leader of the DJD, gives him a rank comparable to a General)
  • Both are among the most powerful of their empires and received their powers through non-conventional methods (Thragg is the result of a long process of eugenics programs to create the most pure blooded Viltrumite. Tarn is a Point One Percenter, a mutant amongst the Cybertronian race, and was placed through the Ununtrium bonding process to make him one of the Warrior's Elite, the Decepticon's most powerful warriors)
  • Both were groomed by their empires respectively to beome the warriors they are today (Thragg was raised to be Viltrum's ultimate warrior while Tarn was manipulated by Megatron to be one of his most twisted followers)
  • Both serve under a character voiced by Frank Welker (Argall and Megatron)
  • Both bear some form of obsession towards their leader (Thragg is heavily loyal towards Argall's ideals and carried them on even after his death, and even forms a weird connection to Argall's skull, refusing to let it be destroyed. Tarn worships Megatron to a cult-like degree, modeling himself after him, constantly quoting his works and maintains absolute loyalty towards his leader)
  • Both maintain a face of regality, often talking in very formal and elegant manners as fitting of their positions. This is a stark contrast to their nature in action, in which both are constantly shown to be incredibly brutal, often dismembering opponents and ripping them apart.
  • Both maintain immense loyalty to their cause, even carrying on after the seeming dismantling of their empires (Thragg continued on his duty to preserve the Viltrumites even after Viltrum's destruction. Tarn would continue on his role with the DJD, even after the war ended, refusing to stop unless Megatron called for his Decepticons to stop)
  • Both of them eventually have their loyalties "betrayed" in some manner that is connected to their leaders, leading to their downfall and them taking their own path (After discovering Nolan is the son of Argall, Thragg ambushes him, disgusted that Argall's son to be a traitor and unworthy to lead Viltrum. This causes the other Viltrumites to turn on Thragg and pledge loyalty to Nolan, leading to Thragg's exile. Tarn discovers Megatron has defected to the Autobots, leading him into a depressive state where he nearly kills himself out of feeling lost)
  • After their leader's disappearance, both would take command of their empires in some form (Thragg would go from Regent to Grand Regent until one of Argall's heirs are found. Tarn would team with Deathsaurus to form his own new Decepticon battalion)
  • Both would raise brand new armies to wage war against those they deem traitors to their ideals, as well as the main heroes of the story (Thragg would create a massive Viltrumite army out of Thraxan hybrids to wage war against both the new Viltrum empire and to Coalition of Planets. Tarn would join forces with Deathsaurus to wage war against Megatron and the Autobots of the Lost Light)
  • This leads in one massive final battle between them and the main heroes of the story.
  • In doing so, both would slowly begin to lose the trust of their new armies as they both began to be slowly consumed by vengeance, with them sacrificing one of their own closest "allies", which in then leads to a female member in their army to lose faith in them (Thragg would allow his son to be killed by Mark, leading to Ursaal slowly losing trust in Thragg, realizing he doesn't care for her siblings. Tarn would kill Kaon for having a moment of weakness over his pet, leading to Nickel, the DJD's medic, to realize that Tarn was only obsessed with Megatron and not the Decepticon cause)
  • This in turns leads them to being betrayed by their own armies and left alone (Thragg is abandoned by his children as they decide to stop following him. Deathsaurus betrays Tarn and retreats from the final battle, leaving him alone with just the DJD)
  • Both fatally wound the big traitors of their empire (Thragg fatally wounds Nolan and Tarn almost kills Megatron while the latter is bargaining for the Autobots to be spared, albeit Megatron refused to fight back)
  • Both eventually discard even trying to uphold the ideals of their empire, having been so consumed by vengeance that their revenge against the "traitors" is all that matters (Thragg deems the Thraxan hybrids a failure and the Viltrum empire dead, now obsessed with revenge against mark and his allies. Nickel realizes Tarn is a hypocrite and only truly cared for his vengeance against Megatron)
  • This is in heavy contrast to others who defected from their cause, even if still loyal to preserving their empire, have chosen to better themselves for the greater good. Both involve Earth in the matter. (Kregg and the others still maintain their duty to preserve the Viltrumites, but slowly realize the error of their ways through love on earth. Soundwave takes command of the remaining Decepticons on Cybertron, and chooses to work with Optimus and the humans to preserve peace and rebuild their broken homes)
  • Both are eventually killed through non-conventional means and die alone (Thragg burns in the heat of the sun while Tarn is trapped in a panic bubble and killed via Megatron's anti-matter)
  • Both of them have faced off against battle hungry warriors that happen among the strongest characters in their verse (Battle Beast and Overlord)
  • One parallel is that Thragg is much more lenient to traitors than Tarn is (Thragg gives Mark multiples chances to join the empire and even allows Nolan a second chance to rejoin the empire in the middle of their fight. Tarn literally leads a team that specializes in killing traitors)
Debate potential: Mainly kinda boils down to where you scale each other physically, both can easily be argued to be at most within the planetary ranges and FTL in speed. Abilities wise quite easily goes to Tarn with Thragg being mostly a punch kick merchant.

Animation potential: I do think there's potential given the right choreography. Tarn primarily focuses on range while Thragg utilizes physical attacks and large shockwaves similar to other Viltrumites in combat. Given how well Megs vs Frieza was handled choreography wise, I do think there's somthing feasible here. Tarn's voice being used as a finisher could be quite cool in some moments though it is somewhat debatable if it would work on Thragg.

Story set up: Tarn would appear on a planet hunting down a Decepticon target on the planet Thraxa, in which he would encounter Thragg, its current emperor. Thragg sees Tarn as trespasser to his empire and orders to leave, but Tarn recognizes Thragg as a Viltrumite and decides he must be eliminated as Viltrumites pose a threat to the Decepticon empire, leading the two to conflict.
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Post both this and ur Kiana vs Hal idea in Reddit lol
 
As an ackshual Touhou fan who's played the games, read the mangas, etc, I was pleasantly surprised by how thorough the G1 blog was. Pretty much no one in this space -- or even in the fandom, which usually just scratches the surface (which is fine for most respects) -- has anywhere near a comprehensive grasp of the cosmology. The few who do left VSB of their own accord or getting banned for unrelated abrasiveness. Now, that blog was a big tangled mess that needed some better structuring, but not a bad start for a more accurate interpretation of dauntingly esoteric material.

Main things I would have clarified & emphasized further would be a tallied hierarchy of the cosmology's many realms & how translation/transformation plays a role in existing/entering into other realms (as opposed to standard portal-hopping). A few bits are covered in some detail, but those are huge things to be parsed to be sure if somewhere in 1-A or just somewhere in 1-C applies for Reimu & so on. Eight-Million/Infinite Gods likely being somewhere in 1-A even without Outside World or Dream World R>F, but more clear-cut outlining the mechanics of primordial vs named forms (as well as clarifying the gulf between them & the main cast) would ease confusions as well. Comparisons to similar mechanics in SMT, Umineko, Kamen Rider and such would also help dissuade incredulity from the unfamiliar.

Still, a big step in the right direction, and also covers a bit of how much Touhou rules in terms of its cosmology having thematic richness instead of just lofty scale. Even the McGuffins (such as those in TH20 that are basically made of well-meaning Outside Worlders' admiration for exploring myth/stories protecting the protags from chaotic literal AI sloppification & over-reactionary forces of keeping things static) are interesting!
 
my top 3 persona/SMT DB's i want

1. Makoto (P5) vs Tifa

2. Raidou vs John Constatine

3. Yu vs Aiba

4. Makoto (P3) vs The Hunter (bloodborne)

5. Demi Fiend vs Dovaking
 
ShakeResounding said:
This is the same episode where they narrate that Shadow would be susceptible to mind control in the post-analysis... right on top of a clip playing where he is resisting mind control. To act like it was mostly because Shadow lost, rather than it simply being a truly mid/bad episode, is an overgeneralization that reeks of Reddit-level dishonesty.

Obviously fanboys play a part in the crowd who want a rematch because of their preferred losing, but they are hardly ever the totality or majority. Don't be obnoxious with your thinly veiled disdain.
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It was a joke brochacho
 
JoshDoshMosh said:
What’s the gist of Makoto vs Hunter?
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id say cool factor is the big thing here more than connections but for some concise connections

1. both are silent JRPG protagonists who's main antagonist is related to a moon like deity which causes mental fuckery in the populace
2. both have a dream like realm that they can access to upgrade weapons/skills ect which are both hosted by an old mentor and a doll like caretaker

theres some more minor connections but theres some contrasts as well which is kinda what i prefer because often times ive found connections in death battles to be just people wanting the same character archetype with a different coat of paint to fight.

as for if its a close matchup. prob not, but i dont think its any more of a stomp than Makotos other popular matchups like Neku.
 
OrangeFR said:
It was a joke brochacho
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You're entitled to jokes, I'm not trying to be the fun police lol. You simply have a track record of snarky remarks towards the Sonic fandom whenever "Sonic" is in your post, in which I doubt they were all just "jokes". I'm not even saying it isn't deserved because your comments usually make me laugh lmao, but let's not act like somebody can't see such a pattern from you and easily take that the wrong way.

Either way, I'm not trying to be a confrontational stooge about it or come down your neck. Just felt compelled to make an observation.
 
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