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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

At worst a moment that may have ruined it for you is fair game, i dislike the Ryu vs Jin ending, although its cool overall
I get disliking it, but refusing to outright watch it? Like Dante vs Bayonetta is one of the best episodes on Death Battle, top 2 in terms of season premiers, I can't see why Bayonetta losing in what's ultimately a subjective outcome with how high the two get would make you refuse to watch it.
 
Oh yeah my top 5, ummmm

1. Goku vs Superman 3
2. Saitama vs Popeye
3. Solid Snake vs Sam Fisher
4. Ash Ketchum vs Yugi Moto / Yami Yugi
5. Goku vs Superman 1
 
Personally I think this site deserves to get dragged, and complaining about Mario downplay as well as general site fuckery is a fair thing, but knowing the Death Battle subreddit they will take what is this weeks topic and drive it into the ground until its destroyed.

The Death Battle subreddit can be pretty incomprehensible.
 
but knowing the Death Battle subreddit they will take what is this weeks topic and drive it into the ground until its destroyed.
This is the same subreddit that turned a glorified meme match into a blatant spite match and dragged it out for months, so I'm inclined to agree...

Edit: Actually that was DeathBattleMatchups, but those two are basically twin subs
 
Can I get a tl;dr of how this site is apparently downplaying Mario? This site has A LOT of problems but I'd say we're one of the more fair ones for Mario specifically, esspecially compared to the more extreme "he's only wall level" or "he can blow up galaxies" takes everywhere else puts these characters. Is it mostly a comparison thing where it'd be fine in a vacuum but it's moreso we let a decent number of verses get away with higher ratings than they deserve but aren't as lax with Mario?
 
Can I get a tl;dr of how this site is apparently downplaying Mario? This site has A LOT of problems but I'd say we're one of the more fair ones for Mario specifically, esspecially compared to the more extreme "he's only wall level" or "he can blow up galaxies" takes everywhere else puts these characters. Is it mostly a comparison thing where it'd be fine in a vacuum but it's moreso we let a decent number of verses get away with higher ratings than they deserve but aren't as lax with Mario?
Less 'famous' verses typically have an advantage of less skepticism for upgrades. The term 'literalwhoverses' exists for a reason.

With bigger verses, you run into a higher chance of people coming in with the express goal of downplaying/preventing upgrades/controlling the narrative and discourse around the verse. Dragon Ball has dealt with this since this site's inception.

Some big verses are 'immune' to this due to the burecratic nature of site like GOW, Sonic, or really any verses where a mod is active in upgrading it.
 
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Because of that things can get overblown, but most of the time its nonsensical to act a widespread sentiment on how a site treats a verse falls out of the sky. You have to have mega delusional supporters/opponents for that to happen, and whole it does happen, it's on the rarer side.
 
That being said its funny as **** when this behavior gets so bad other scaling circles hear about it and meme on it. Several Dragon Ball verse opponents have been turned into inside/running jokes on SpaceBattles or reddit or the DB discord.

Imagine being caught in 4k so bad that shit gets spread to other neighborhoods.
 
I get disliking it, but refusing to outright watch it? Like Dante vs Bayonetta is one of the best episodes on Death Battle, top 2 in terms of season premiers, I can't see why Bayonetta losing in what's ultimately a subjective outcome with how high the two get would make you refuse to watch it.
Cuz Weekly is salty Bayo wasnt wanked the way he does, last I remember bro was saying she beats kamen rider
 

did this for fun
 
Can I get a tl;dr of how this site is apparently downplaying Mario? This site has A LOT of problems but I'd say we're one of the more fair ones for Mario specifically, esspecially compared to the more extreme "he's only wall level" or "he can blow up galaxies" takes everywhere else puts these characters. Is it mostly a comparison thing where it'd be fine in a vacuum but it's moreso we let a decent number of verses get away with higher ratings than they deserve but aren't as lax with Mario?
they specifically hate armorchrompy's take on mario scaling iirc
 
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Is it mostly a comparison thing where it'd be fine in a vacuum but it's moreso we let a decent number of verses get away with higher ratings than they deserve but aren't as lax with Mario?
Pretty sure it’s this. That’s how I’ve felt about it for a while. Like I think for a lot of people they think Universal-low multi base Sonic cast has as many anti-feats/is as outliery as Universal-low multi Base Mario cast, and so it looks like bias either against Mario or for Sonic. Also we have like Demon Slayer higher on this wiki than many think, Multi Solar system level Rayman is kind of an outlier too, there are probably a bunch of examples. When offsite people that probably scale Mario higher than us see how we treat anti feats and outliers super critically for Mario, but are more lax with it for many other verses, people see it as either wank or downplay depending on which they agree with.
 
Can I get a tl;dr of how this site is apparently downplaying Mario? This site has A LOT of problems but I'd say we're one of the more fair ones for Mario specifically, esspecially compared to the more extreme "he's only wall level" or "he can blow up galaxies" takes everywhere else puts these characters. Is it mostly a comparison thing where it'd be fine in a vacuum but it's moreso we let a decent number of verses get away with higher ratings than they deserve but aren't as lax with Mario?
Base Mario is not uni, therefore downplay :V

Also CellMetal preview today but looool that cast.
 
Also lets be frank, DB is massively selective on anti-feats/consistency. Sometimes they do use them to point out weaknesses. But Mario, a quite inconsistent verse, gets basically full benefit of doubt and free pass. They definitely gaslight DB Reddit to unconditionally accept base Mario, despite the fact that its shaky. No amount of logic here is acceptable, a non-uni base Mario is downplay and conveniently also Sonic bias. Because every complaint in Reddit brings up Sonic.

Also also maaaan thinking about it, DB mistaking Eggman to have 6 hitpoints in general for Genesis fights in analysis preview really bothers me. Sure, they do a lot of typos, but this is a spoken line. It really feels like they are sloppy with Sonic again. But ig I cant complain because Im in Sonic bias heaven or sth...
 
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Also we have like Demon Slayer higher on this wiki than many think
This one is cuz the users who made CRTs for it slipped them in and got it approved without looking better at them

It is planned by Chariot and others to get downgraded to levels where jojo is at normally
 
Bruh... well that's an oxymoron. Are peeps deadass complaining that not everyone and their grandma in DC here is 1-A or above in r/DB? (including "standard" Batman). Like the verse already peaks at tier 0, has a few H1-A (peak) heralds and is still under revisions.

The agenda is indeed all too real lol!
People just don't respect 1-A at all. They have zero issue with throwing the term around lazily when the entire premise is qualitative superiority. Which they probably don't even understand the implications of. The stricter 1-A standards are the better if you ask me, and imo no DC Herald can be justified as 1-A aside from some very specific moments usually involving 1-A+ forces amping them temporarily.

Mind you, immeasurable speed has a similar issue. I don't think people realise just how badly even baseline immeasurable speed completely breaks a character in two. If everyone and their mother can move at immeasurable speeds it raises a lot of serious questions about...well, everything. Yet people will just throw that term out like candy thoughtlessly.

All about agenda. Always the damn agenda.
 
Also lets be frank, DB is massively selective on anti-feats/consistency. Sometimes they do use them to point out weaknesses. But Mario, a quite inconsistent verse, gets basically full benefit of doubt and free pass. They definitely gaslight DB Reddit to unconditionally accept base Mario, despite the fact that its shaky. No amount of logic here is acceptable, a non-uni base Mario is downplay and conveniently also Sonic bias. Because every complaint in Reddit brings up Sonic.
As a person who often uses Reddit primarily for r/DestinyTheGame, visiting the Death Battle subreddit during a Sonic vs Mario discussion genuinely makes me exasperated because of the constant negativity and agenda-pushing.

Like, I thought some of the Debbie Downers here on Vs Battles were bad. Reddit takes it to another level with how obnoxious the vast majority of people seem to be. And for some reason, Mario v Sonic discussions increase that feeling tenfold.
Also also maaaan thinking about it, DB mistaking Eggman to have 6 hitpoints in general for Genesis fights in analysis preview really bothers me. Sure, they do a lot of typos, but this is a spoken line. It really feels like they are sloppy with Sonic again. But ig I cant complain because Im in Sonic bias heaven or sth...
Shut the HELL up and enjoy your High 4-C Base Metal, Sonictard!! Jokes aside that is far higher than I thought they would give him
 
As a person who often uses Reddit primarily for r/DestinyTheGame, visiting the Death Battle subreddit during a Sonic vs Mario discussion genuinely makes me exasperated because of the constant negativity and agenda-pushing.

Like, I thought some of the Debbie Downers here on Vs Battles were bad. Reddit takes it to another level with how obnoxious the vast majority of people seem to be. And for some reason, Mario v Sonic discussions increase that feeling tenfold.

Shut the HELL up and enjoy your High 4-C Base Metal, Sonictard!! Jokes aside that is far higher than I thought they would give him
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Like, I thought some of the Debbie Downers here on Vs Battles were bad. Reddit takes it to another level with how obnoxious the vast majority of people seem to be. And for some reason, Mario v Sonic discussions increase that feeling tenfold.
It's because people stick to certain subreddits, leading to echo chambers.
 
Shut the HELL up and enjoy your High 4-C Base Metal, Sonictard!! Jokes aside that is far higher than I thought they would give him
Its exactly what I presumed because it was Egg Mobile feat from BowserEggman :V

I mean tbh, its not even unreasonable thing to use. Its just telling that Sonic is not allowed to get highend feats. Too debatable I suppose.
 
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