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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)


ZeNoviceArtist said:
He's the main protagonist of Sleeping Dogs, I'm pretty sure that MU was popular back then. Brandon Yates even made a song of it.
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Very few may remember that, especially casuals whom all they know is mainstream, Kiryu at least gets so many games for his serious and memes around by comparison
 
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Speed of light kid Kratos
 
Thoughts on Itachi vs Undertaker?

It's funny how it got a resurgence in popularity....only to get shat on
 
One downside of DB being run by Ben and Chad is that they're in a really awkward middle ground of age where they're aware of certain classic shows, games, and movies but know jack shit of a lot of late 2000s-early 2010s franchises and anything from like 2016 onwards; cartoons especially. Shit dude, by the time something like Luz vs Anne actually happens it's gonna be Alex vs Cole all over again where it took so long to happen that regular DB watchers just don't really care about them anymore.

That might even be why it's been nearly a decade of episodes and yet some super classic matchups like Isaac Clarke vs Gordon Freeman haven't happened yet, because they didn't do them early on so now they think that those fights probably won't do too well in terms of views. Kyle vs Simon was another classic matchup but even that required DB to almost die and have said matchup be used as a Kickstarter reward for them to finally do it.
 
That G1 Blog actually keeps making me think Cell can win.

While not always or even that commonly, sometimes G1 does odd stats that actually align with DB's thoughts ala current Naruto. That G1 Blog sure did lowball Metal, 15-18x uni/multi Super Forms? Sure lol. But about that, DB can go even lower. They just made Emeroods uni in BowserEggman. Black boxes seem hypothetical supplementary material what ifs. Yes, uni Cell is wank, but we do not know if DB wont deem it as such.

Speed shenanigans is more damning. Funny multipliers and base Goku Spirit Bomb speed + Hell travel scaling does make finite end Cell faster than Metal's finite speed feats. Now I know what some are thinking: "you dingus, Metal has immeasurable speeds arguments". Yup he sure does. And DB basically ignored those in BowsEgg too. Also Cell has infinite speed argument from Hell feat. This will make some think: "you double dingus, immeasurable speed is superior to infinite speed". That it is, but I do vaguely recall that DB considers infinite and immeasurable speeds roughly equal. This would be more prime black box material, thus focusing on finite ends, thus giving Cell a chance to be faster.

Now lets get that one thought here too: "you triple dingus asshole, you have already said that Metal's biodata copy hard counters Cell, why are you yapping pointless Cell wank" and well, uhh guess I am bored lol. But I do wonder is there an angle to spin a Cell win. And with lowballed Metal, there might just be. Ok so like, can Neo Metal just stack his biodata from same person? Why didnt he copy Super Sonic's biodata. Or semi-perfect Doom Shadow? Maybe it isnt actually a thing? This leads to bad scenario. A wanked Cell and lowballed Metal are close in AP, both are uni. But Metal can gain Cell's power on top of his own, a massive gap ehh? Actually no. Thats just 2x uni. A 2x gap in AP is nothing in DB lol. And like speed is then what, 6 quintillion x ftl vs 16 quintillion x ftl? Thats about only 2.67x faster speeds from biodata copy. These are honestly nothing to worry about because of le Zenkai boosts. Since many seem to think Cell has survivability, he has a chance to gain Saiyan Power boost. Cell went from being stomped to being able to severely damage SSJ2 Gohan. This indicates way bigger AP boost than 3x of Metal's biodata copy. Again, if Metal cant stack same biodata over and over again, thats kinda bad? But what about Metal gaining Saiyan Power too? Well, its a case of weird ping pong where Cell can def adapt to if Metal immediately have massive AP gap.

Now then there is one more point: "you quadruple asshole Metal has Chaos Control time stop and oh wait you are just now gonna wank Cell somehow managing that too" and uhh yeah. So in DBS its said that Goku's power can overpower Hit's timeskip. "But thats DBS idiot" yeah, but its same canon, thus they could use logic from Cell's future. If Cell is stronger, he can overpower time stop. So here is the cursed scenario of battle progression:
  1. Cell and Metal start, their AP is equal and Cell is faster with finite speed
  2. Metal does biodata copy, Metal is now like 2x stronger and 2.67x faster than Cell
  3. Metal beats Cell but Cell's regen allows him survive and get le Zenkai. He will gain significantly higher AP and speed, Metal cant restack biodata immediately, he has to rely on his stolen Saiyan adaptation
  4. Thus begins indefinite loop, Cell beats Metal who survives and gains boost leading to that, Metal beats Cell who survives and gains boost leading to that, Cell beats Metal who survives and yadda yadda
So what can break this loop? Thinking this with the bad logic we have, if Cell has better survivability and he is first to gain way bigger stat boost, then is he not more likely to win in this scenario? But thats my cringe yap, tldr:
  • Metal gets better abilities, a lot of same but Metal also has time stop and biodata copy,
  • Cell and Metal tie in AP, a 2x AP gap from biodata copy is not enough and both can keep getting stronger
  • Cell gets better speed, immeasurable speed is cringe to DB team thus finite end and multipliers win it for Cell
  • Cell gets better survivability, Metal's liquid form technically hasnt shown that good regen and Cell can in some part resist time stop too
So yeah, imagine a future, where DB doesnt buy Metal's highends, allowing Cell to manage Metal's stats and abilities. Yes I talked about it before but now its in needlessly long post too lmao

And the real reason why this could happen? Is because clearly DB thinks Sonic is below DBZ in the pecking order. They have not used highends, **** it, not even middle ends for Sonic stats. And besides, Sonic is already trashed in online discourse. Just add Metal losing a pity win MU to the pile. It will be miserable.

Anyways, xBenShapirox this is the argument you have to buy for Cell to win against Metal. You can mail me 20 bucks via email :V
 
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TMaakkonen said:
That G1 Blog actually keeps making me think Cell can win.

While not always or even that commonly, sometimes G1 does odd stats that actually align with DB's thoughts ala current Naruto. That G1 Blog sure did lowball Metal, 15-18x uni/multi Super Forms? Sure lol. But about that, DB can go even lower. They just made Emeroods uni in BowserEggman. Black boxes seem hypothetical supplementary material what ifs. Yes, uni Cell is wank, but we do not know if DB wont deem it as such.

Speed shenanigans is more damning. Funny multipliers and base Goku Spirit Bomb speed + Hell travel scaling does make finite end Cell faster than Metal's finite speed feats. Now I know what some are thinking: "you dingus, Metal has immeasurable speeds arguments". Yup he sure does. And DB basically ignored those in BowsEgg too. Also Cell has infinite speed argument from Hell feat. This will make some think: "you double dingus, immeasurable speed is superior to infinite speed". That it is, but I do vaguely recall that DB considers infinite and immeasurable speeds roughly equal. This would be more prime black box material, thus focusing on finite ends, thus giving Cell a chance to be faster.

Now lets get that one thought here too: "you triple dingus asshole, you have already said that Metal's biodata copy hard counters Cell, why are you yapping pointless Cell wank" and well, uhh guess I am bored lol. But I do wonder is there an angle to spin a Cell win. And with lowballed Metal, there might just be. Ok so like, can Neo Metal just stack his biodata from same person? Why didnt he copy Super Sonic's biodata. Or semi-perfect Doom Shadow? Maybe it isnt actually a thing? This leads to bad scenario. A wanked Cell and lowballed Metal are close in AP, both are uni. But Metal can gain Cell's power on top of his own, a massive gap ehh? Actually no. Thats just 2x uni. A 2x gap in AP is nothing in DB lol. And like speed is then what, 6 quintillion x ftl vs 16 quintillion x ftl? Thats about only 2.67x faster speeds from biodata copy. These are honestly nothing to worry about because of le Zenkai boosts. Since many seem to think Cell has survivability, he has a chance to gain Saiyan Power boost. Cell went from being stomped to being able to severely damage SSJ2 Gohan. This indicates way bigger AP boost than 3x of Metal's biodata copy. Again, if Metal cant stack same biodata over and over again, thats kinda bad? But what about Metal gaining Saiyan Power too? Well, its a case of weird ping pong where Cell can def adapt to if Metal immediately have massive AP gap.

Now then there is one more point: "you quadruple asshole Metal has Chaos Control time stop and oh wait you are just now gonna wank Cell somehow managing that too" and uhh yeah. So in DBS its said that Goku's power can overpower Hit's timeskip. "But thats DBS idiot" yeah, but its same canon, thus they could use logic from Cell's future. If Cell is stronger, he can overpower time stop. So here is the cursed scenario of battle progression:
  1. Cell and Metal start, their AP is equal and Cell is faster with finite speed
  2. Metal does biodata copy, Metal is now like 2x stronger and 2.67x faster than Cell
  3. Metal beats Cell but Cell's regen allows him survive and get le Zenkai. He will gain significantly higher AP and speed, Metal cant restack biodata immediately, he has to rely on his stolen Saiyan adaptation
  4. Thus begins indefinite loop, Cell beats Metal who survives and gains boost leading to that, Metal beats Cell who survives and gains boost leading to that, Cell beats Metal who survives and yadda yadda
So what can break this loop? Thinking this with the bad logic we have, if Cell has better survivability and he is first to gain way bigger stat boost, then is he not more likely to win in this scenario? But thats my cringe yap, tldr:
  • Metal gets better abilities, time stop and biodata copy,
  • Cell and Metal tie in AP, a 2x AP gap from biodata copy is not enough and both can keep getting stronger
  • Cell gets better speed, immeasurable speed is cringe to DB team thus finite end and multipliers win it for Cell
  • Cell gets better survivability, Metal's liquid form technically hasnt shown that good regen
So yeah, imagine a future, where DB doesnt buy Metal's highends, allowing Cell to manage Metal's stats and abilities. Yes I talked about it before but now its in needlessly long post too lmao

And the real reason why this could happen? Is because clearly DB thinks Sonic is below DBZ in the pecking order. They have not used highends, **** it, middle ends for Sonic stats. And besides, Sonic is already trashed in online discourse. Just add Metal losing a pity win MU to the pile. It will be miserable.

Anyways, xBenSharpirox this is the argument you have to buy for Cell to win against Metal. You can mail me 20 bucks via email :V
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You’re not thinking abstractly enough. Death Battle will have Metal win this one with 6D and Immeasurable stats blackboxed before they feed the real deal to Mario for the finale. It’s an easy formula to spam.
 
Why is the r/deathbattle sub just saying MM Cyberspaces are not universes? They are legit arguing they are simulations despite the fact that it's never stated in the slightest. Also they're comparing it to Black Hole Bomb despite the fact they are black holes. Has anyone realized yet that sub is filled with non-powerscalers?
 
The absurdity of comic powerscaling is at its max prevalent in a recent Hulk comic. In the very end of one issue Hulk fights some dinosaurs and says that they barely broke his skin and then at the start of the next issue he survives the extinction meteor falling directly on him. Then in the very next issue he gets spaghettified by a black hole and has his atoms broken down before regenerating from his quarks after a bunch of time where he then proceeds to punch the black hole over the course of the rest of the universe’s life span before it explodes on him.

It’s so god damn funny.
 
Osemere said:
You’re not thinking abstractly enough. Death Battle will have Metal win this one with 6D and Immeasurable stats blackboxed before they feed the real deal to Mario for the finale. It’s an easy formula to spam.
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Ah but episodes are done in vacuum. What, you think DB plans or attempts on making some characters lose like how they said they thought Cable would beat Booster Gold?
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Good idea, so here is Sonic series future in DB after CellMetal:

So Sonic is going to lose to Mario. Or Goku. Maybe both.

Shadow probably loses to M2. Ash did lose to Yugi, they could use evening of scores. Or maybe theyll sacrifice Chaos to Kyogre. Maybe both, Shadow won last time.

Marvel also lost a bunch last year, they could use a win. Have Juggernaut beat Archie Knux. Jugs apparently resists everything or sth.

And finally have Amy beat up Sakura. Naruto has had win streak in DB, a lot of complaints on those Ws too. Do it in 2027 to tie up with Sonic 4 movie.

And maybe EggmanLex for that year too. DC and Lex have been losing lately. Those scores could be evened too.

What a bright future.
 
ShakeResounding said:
Mario needs to fight somebody outside of Sonic IMO, having all 3 of his appearances on the show be against the same guy across nearly 2 decades would be nutty.

I heard Popeye and him have several connections, though I couldn't tell you what they are.
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Donkey Kong was supposed to be Popeye game. Le meta reference.

There is Mario vs Mickey but we need Mickey vs Bugs so nope.

Ig Mario vs Kirby is next best then... ehhhh not a fan.
 
ShakeResounding said:
Mario needs to fight somebody outside of Sonic IMO, having all 3 of his appearances on the show be against the same guy across nearly 2 decades would be nutty.
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Goku: First time?
ShakeResounding said:
I heard Popeye and him have several connections, though I couldn't tell you what they are.
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No, just no, Popeye had a good episode with Saitama and wont gain anything else
 
AcidSilver said:
The absurdity of comic powerscaling is at its max prevalent in a recent Hulk comic. In the very end of one issue Hulk fights some dinosaurs and says that they barely broke his skin and then at the start of the next issue he survives the extinction meteor falling directly on him. Then in the very next issue he gets spaghettified by a black hole and has his atoms broken down before regenerating from his quarks after a bunch of time where he then proceeds to punch the black hole over the course of the rest of the universe’s life span before it explodes on him.

It’s so god damn funny.
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The kids call it “aura farming” now. Back then we just called it garbage.
 
ShakeResounding said:
Mario needs to fight somebody outside of Sonic IMO, having all 3 of his appearances on the show be against the same guy across nearly 2 decades would be nutty.
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ShakeResounding said:
Mario vs Kirby? I can see it I guess, but there's gotta be something better out there.

Oof...
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Yeah that's the issue with Mario his options outside sonic are not good or others have better

Sonic is in the same boat sure there's Goku buts that one is a nightmare in discourse and general outlook

So yeah Mario vs Sonic 3 seems the most enticing given unlike Goku vs Superman both never heard a Good fight between each other that wasn't outdated s1 or coming off as disappointing via the rematch on the show
 
As much as MvS3 is the only other deserved 3rd ep for same MU, **** that. Just do GokuSonic, its at least sth more new. Mario is kinda ****** in MUs either way.
 
GokuSonic discourse would be monumental but that's just an easy Goku W with how and where they scale each verse. At least here the fallout on VSBW wouldn't be too bad regardless of the loser since DB and Sonic fans are mostly cool with one another here (aside from people like Alexander). Complaining from the losing side, sure, but nothing crazy.
 
ShakeResounding said:
GokuSonic discourse would be monumental but that's just an easy Goku W with how and where they scale each verse. At least here the fallout on VSBW wouldn't be too bad regardless of the loser since DB and Sonic fans are mostly cool with one another here (aside from people like Alexander). Complaining from the losing side, sure, but nothing crazy.
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I just don't want either fed to fed to each other given I like both characters
 
Nah, you guys sleeping on Mario best opponents.


  • Both are red, outgoing, happy go lucky mascot characters who represent a famous company (Nintendo and McDonald’s)
  • Both the characters and companies they represent are iconic and recognizable worldwide, being the most popular in their industry (Video Games and Fast Food)
  • Both characters have an iconic “M” symbol on a piece of their clothing (Mario’s hat and Ronald’s tracksuit)
  • Both characters reside in a fictional location (The Mushroom Kingdom and McDonaldland), where they have to jump down a specific hole to travel to (Warp Pipe and Ball Pit)
  • Both use powerful abilities unique to them (Mario’s Fire/Power-Ups and Ronald’s Magic) to face off and defeat the many villains they face and help those who are in need
  • Both are heavily associated with a specific group of items (Mario’s Power-Ups and McDonald’s Food)
  • Both are brothers/best friends with a friendly yet clumsy character (Luigi and Grimace)
  • Both are allies with a big, furry, and unintelligent creature (Donkey Kong and Grimace) which at first they were enemies with (Mario rivaled against Donkey Kong in his first appearance and Grimace originally being “The Evil Grimace”) but eventually ended up being on good terms with them
  • Both rulers of the lands they reside in are named after a specific food item (Princess Peach and Mayor McCheese)
  • Both have main rivals (Bowser and Hamburgalar) who’s main motive is to steal someone/something very important to the main character and rest of the residents of their land (Princess Peach and Hamburgers)
  • Both have a species of short creatures that live in the same land as them (Toads and Fry Kids)
  • Both have a very well known rivalry with another mascot character (Sonic the Hedgehog and The Burger King) and company (SEGA and Burger King) that are in the same industry as them
  • Both are some of the most popular and edited characters in M.U.G.E.N
  • East vs West Contrast
  • Later down the line, both characters are often seen engaging in sports and physical activities (Mario's many sports games and Ronald being portrayed as more athletic in commercials)
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But for real, Mario really only option is Sonic.

Kirby is not bad, he also in a similar position of not having any cool opps I think.
 
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