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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

YuseiDragon1 said:
Non canon all you want, but official.
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Ok?
YuseiDragon1 said:
And no. Stan directly says that consistency on who SHOULD win does not matter. Only the story the writer wants to tell.
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This just ignores my point entirely
YuseiDragon1 said:
Do you really wanna discuss all the Marvel pis moments in fights? Seriously, youre talking as if the writers of deadpool kills the marvel universe are not allowed to even touch the "main" marvel universe.

I mean, does the "main marvel universe" have perfect consistency to you?
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The scaling a writer established in a non-canon/alternate universe does not matter at all. And stop strawmaning me by implying that I think Marvel is never inconsistent, it is but the scaling isn’t incomprehensible, we just take what scaling is consistent with the characters and apply that to them
 
Ednaxel2 said:
Ok?

This just ignores my point entirely

The scaling a writer established in a non-canon/alternate universe does not matter at all. And stop strawmaning me by implying that I think Marvel is never inconsistent, it is but the scaling isn’t incomprehensible, we just take what scaling is consistent with the characters and apply that to them
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I didnt strawman jack. Marvel IS inconsistent by its sheer nature.
Again, do you want to actually play this out? I have some spiderman beating firelord here and some "destroying a planet is too much even for..." there.

You are picking and choosing which feats fit your mental idea on how strong hulk and thor "truly" are.
Ignoring the anti feats for the high ends is exactly what you are doing. To fit your "consistent" imagine of the characters.
 
YuseiDragon1 said:
I mean, id personally prefer they did to actually faithfully depict the characters, but still, not my vs show.

Just that such power is not actually truly depicted in the comics or official media consistently at all.
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YuseiDragon1 said:
You are picking and choosing which feats fit your mental idea on how strong hulk and thor "truly" are.
Ignoring the anti feats for the high ends is exactly what you are doing. To fit your "consistent" imagine of the characters.
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Your idea of how strong Hulk, Thor, and Superman truly are doesn't match the views of how a lot of writers, the official creators employed by Marvel and DC, think they truly are. A lot of their writers think they are really strong and capable of destroying existence and there are some writers who are more skeptical and think they're not that strong but overall they have more depictions of being that powerful so that is more consistent.
 
Rangoon04 said:
Your idea of how strong Hulk, Thor, and Superman truly are doesn't match the views of how a lot of writers, the official creators employed by Marvel and DC, think they truly are. A lot of their writers think they are really strong and capable of destroying existence and there are some writers who are more skeptical and think they're not that strong but overall they have more depictions of being that powerful so that is more consistent.
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My idea? Tell me, which tier do you think they are based on what i said

You are the one saying that their biggest feats IS their consistent true power and dismiss any anti feats where they struggle lifting finite weight or show effort fighting characters that do not have the same high ends.

You are picking and choosing based on your perception of how strong they are.
Marvel by word of god and sheer nature, is inconsistent.

Seriously, do you realize in which wiki you are?
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Power-scaling Rules for Marvel and DC Comics

There are several massive problems with using power-scaling for these two prominent franchises that have shared hundreds of different authors over several decades. Said writers naturally tend to have highly differing opinions and interpretations, which is reflected in their stories. Quite often...
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both thor and hulk have "varies" for their profiles too.

Not really marvel, but you are legit trying to say you have a definitive answer if Solomon Grundy is either 8-C or 2-C
 
YuseiDragon1 said:
I didnt strawman jack. Marvel IS inconsistent by its sheer nature.
Again, do you want to actually play this out? I have some spiderman beating firelord here and some "destroying a planet is too much even for..." there.

You are picking and choosing which feats fit your mental idea on how strong hulk and thor "truly" are.
Ignoring the anti feats for the high ends is exactly what you are doing. To fit your "consistent" imagine of the characters.
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You are getting way too mad over this calm down

And you don’t understand my point at all, yes Marvel has inconsistent feats at times, but there are still many consistent trends with its powerscaling over the years. Nothing about this is like cherry picking
 
YuseiDragon1 said:
My idea? Tell me, which tier do you think they are based on what i said

You are the one saying that their biggest feats IS their consistent true power and dismiss any anti feats where they struggle lifting finite weight or show effort fighting characters that do not have the same high ends.

You are picking and choosing based on your perception of how strong they are.
Marvel by word of god and sheer nature, is inconsistent.

Seriously, do you realize in which wiki you are?
vsbattles.fandom.com

Power-scaling Rules for Marvel and DC Comics

There are several massive problems with using power-scaling for these two prominent franchises that have shared hundreds of different authors over several decades. Said writers naturally tend to have highly differing opinions and interpretations, which is reflected in their stories. Quite often...
vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
both thor and hulk have "varies" for their profiles too.

Not really marvel, but you are legit trying to say you have a definitive answer if Solomon Grundy is either 8-C or 2-C
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I did not say what I personally think. I am simply saying that you projecting your idea of what they "truly" are does not match what many writers themselves think and that you accusing us of cherry picking can apply to yourself too
 
Ednaxel2 said:
You are getting way too mad over this calm down

And you don’t understand my point at all, yes Marvel has inconsistent feats at times, but there are still many consistent trends with its powerscaling over the years. Nothing about this is like cherry picking
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Fine, yeah, this is also getting heated.

But its very clear that if you have dead set that Thor and Hulk are 1-A to high 1-A all the time, you are going to just dismiss all anti feats as not valid/outliers.
The same goes if you think that they are like, 4-B or 3-C consistently. You ignore the higher feats as outliers or PIS.
 
Rangoon04 said:
I did not say what I personally think. I am simply saying that you projecting your idea of what they "truly" are does not match what many writers themselves think and that you accusing us of cherry picking can apply to yourself too
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What am i cherry picking? Here is the reveal. I do not consider Thor or Hulk to be consistent characters, so i do not have a tier in mind on what tier they are.
They just are. So i do not choose any anti feat or outerversal feat for my mental image.



Their tier is "varies" to me.
 
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YuseiDragon1 said:
Fine, yeah, this is also getting heated.
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It really doesn't need to be
YuseiDragon1 said:
But its very clear that if you have dead set that Thor and Hulk are 1-A to high 1-A all the time, you are going to just dismiss all anti feats as not valid/outliers.
The same goes if you think that they are like, 4-B or 3-C consistently. You ignore the higher feats as outliers or PIS.
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I never claimed base Thor and Hulk are normally at those levels of power but I get what ym.

Lets say a character has 10 feats consistent within the 4-B range, but 4 anti-feats capping them at Tier 5, and 2 feats that get them to Tier 1. We just take what is the most consistent tier between these, that being 4-B, with the others justifiably being labelled as outliers.

A lot of Marvel characters also vary in power so they're not like others that are stagnant in strength, like Hulk who's strength is dependant on how angry he gets, or Spider-Man via Will Power
 
Tipper17 said:
Imma be 5D DB def makes more sense esp compared to other verses that gets a pass on that
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5D DBS is painfully straight forward and you have like three different metas to get you there. The only reason it's still a debate is because it's Dragon Ball, and even then, debate implies there are actually good counter arguments against it still out there.
 
Ednaxel2 said:
Wasn't it 6-D? At least for like SSB Gogeta and higher tiers
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I also meant Death Battle discord. 5D arguments are viewed a lot more favorably there.

Take this with a grain of salt but I knew someone who worked on the Frieza vs Megatron G1 blog and they told me higher D arguments were danced around and not addressed because there were a few really rabid DB downplayers also on the blog, one of them became a mod for the server I think and has a history of being pretty antagonistic towards Dragon Ball fans.
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
I also meant Death Battle discord. 5D arguments are viewed a lot more favorably there.

Take this with a grain of salt but I knew someone who worked on the Frieza vs Megatron G1 blog and they told me higher D arguments were danced around and not addressed because there were a few really rabid DB downplayers also on the blog, one of them became a mod for the server I think and has a history of being pretty antagonistic towards Dragon Ball fans.
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Ohh alr that's kinda interesting, do you mean the unofficial discord on the reddit page?
 
I would in all honesty prefer the subreddit over the discord, and the subreddit has the coherency of those Conan Kevin Nealon podcasts except everybody thinks they are funnier than they really are.

I'll stick here with gng.
 
Any Dragon Ball upgrade is "controversial" due to agendas. If the admin or most of the fanbase does not want Dragon Ball beating DC, the upgrade is not getting added.
 
Tipper17 said:
Thats the issue S3-S5 time as a sonic fan didn't help given shit going on with the franchise at the time
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Soma VS Nero could be interesting as a fight. I know that's not what this image means at all but still. Yu could also probably work well for Soma.
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
I also meant Death Battle discord. 5D arguments are viewed a lot more favorably there.

Take this with a grain of salt but I knew someone who worked on the Frieza vs Megatron G1 blog and they told me higher D arguments were danced around and not addressed because there were a few really rabid DB downplayers also on the blog, one of them became a mod for the server I think and has a history of being pretty antagonistic towards Dragon Ball fans.
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I still remember the old Frieza vs Megatron blog (1st one) where they said a 30-40x speed difference is not enough to speed blitz
 
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