DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[Fezzih_007]

I don't care THAT much who wins, Just a little.

I just want to see them fight.

 

[Joycap]

With the shit DB accepts nowadays, Goku probably beats Sonic in DB.

Stats are even or favor Goku, Dimension of Swirlygig lights is higher dimension and Solaris is higher dimensional being, close enough. DB doesnt seem to easily buy infinite timelines 2-A for Sanic, so oh my multipliers beat Sonic everytime, base and Super. Hell, I might see them use 300x multiplier for Sonic using Shadow Game endings lmao. Speed is same, immeasurable for both if wanked. Super Sonic cant beat multipliers speed without immeasurable tho. I dont think they buy base Sonic outspeeding Namek Meteors trillion x ftl speed either.

Goku takes skill+experience. Sonic mighty be crazy learner but so is Goku. Beerus is also older than anything with real experience Sonic has faced and Goku actually has trained for decades too.

Sonic takes abilities. He has more, but I almost think Goku might resist all. If you use Vegito candy logic he beats Ring Time transmutation kinda too.

They will probably then use "weaknesses" category and deem Goku having less weaknesses. Super Sanic time limit is bad at worst but even "fair" time would be like, 999 rings aka like 14-15 mins. Goku likely can hang 15 mins versus his equal taking his fight vs base Vegeta in Superhero to count.

So like, equal stats but Goku absolutely favors base and multipliers, Sonic only edges if you buy infinite timelines but both have better args so yeah. Sonic has better abilities, but Goku likely resists and has better skill and less weaknesses to fight until Super form runs out.

At least Sonic has won a DB before ig lol

So we're really going to act like Heroes Trunks vs Archie Silver never happened, huh?

 

[McFriesGuy075]

So we're really going to act like Heroes Trunks vs Archie Silver never happened, huh?

 

[TMaakkonen]

So we're really going to act like Heroes Trunks vs Archie Silver never happened, huh?

cough

Damn, cooked by fries, I KNEEL

 

[Joycap]

OK but fr this is where I remind people of the time I pointed out 'anything above a certain point is basically hax'. It's just easier to parse that way:

If it’s not unrelated, this is why I treat 1-C and 1-A/High 1-A and basically all of T1 as relative, and treat ‘higher layers’ as hax. Doesn’t change that many results, and it makes a lot of MUs more interesting.

 

[TMaakkonen]

I do wonder, since even if character has T1 stuff, if they are still human and operate under 3D physics, then shouldn't some level of 3D power still be able to affect it?

Maybe this is why DB is wishy washy with T1 shit.

 

[Tipper17]

And make him fight Denji? Honestly I don't want that considering Denji best MU atm is against Yuji
Do Ash had other options?

Herbert
Frank West

 

[Tipper17]

You know what, I'll probably say a controversial take but fuсk it: At this point I genuinely think Dio is the best (realistic) option for Sakuya. Does it have connections? No, just like every single other popular Sakuya MU lmao. But ngl, it just feels really funny for some reason. Oh, and OMM showed that the MU has animation potential and I think it'd be even cooler with HA Dio or some shit like that.

he's pretty much the only one that you can sell

 

[Tipper17]

Wasn't Sakuya inspired by Dio according to ZUN, though?

Anyways, another thing to add is that I've heard the debate can apparently get very close if you composite Dio (To the point where both would have Outerversal arguments [Yeah, Touhou on this site is hella outdated especially given how the only person who did major work on it is now permabanned]) which was something Sakuya VS Dio requesters have been trying to push.

I've also heard that another popular opponent for Sakuya is Death from Castlevania.

last thing i need it more outerslop debates

 

[Tipper17]

, I'm afraid she has a good chance

don't think so
she barely scrapped by her last two eliminations while needing an alliance to get through

doesn't help that two of the biggest hitters now have far more interesting mu
Geats having Bayo,Nero(FGO),Sephiroth,and liu kang and Ash having Herbert,Frank and Denji
Sakuya mu spread is just Dio and the rest

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

Is it true that transcending creation could get a character into outerversal?

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

Thoughts Charlie and Pim vs Mordo and Riggs as an alt to Finn and Jake?

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

Thoughts Charlie and Pim vs Mordo and Riggs as an alt to Finn and Jake?

Too early, Smiling Friends needs more time.

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

Fair nuff, but if they get feats then how would you feel?

 

[Joycap]

I do wonder, since even if character has T1 stuff, if they are still human and operate under 3D physics, then shouldn't some level of 3D power still be able to affect it?

Maybe this is why DB is wishy washy with T1 shit.

You've just encompassed my entire problem with SMT gigawank and 'muh 5D Personas' in a single line. Bravo, sir.

 

[TMaakkonen]

Practically every 4D+ shit is wank :V

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

Fair nuff, but if they get feats then how would you feel?

Horny probably

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Is it true that transcending creation could get a character into outerversal?

Heavily depends on how such transcendence is described, but, by itself, a statement of such nature wouldn't mean much

I do wonder, since even if character has T1 stuff, if they are still human and operate under 3D physics, then shouldn't some level of 3D power still be able to affect it?

If a character only has, for example, Low 1-C AP, but is existentially limited to three dimensions of space, yup, it would

 

[Tipper17]

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

That's obviously Cod zombies right?

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

I don't think I have one currently.

Goku vs Sonic probally? But I don't want Goku to be in the show so soon.

I'm not in a rush to have Dragon Ball back on Death Battle anytime soon

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Spoiler: CSM

So the War Devil just transmuated the entire state of Michigan into a sword in the latest chapter in part 2, ofc we've got to wait and see the full context of the feat in the next chapter but sheesh unless Mudulo has some crazy upscaling for Yuji then Denji/Pochita kinda stat stomp before Domain Expansion can become an issue.

But yeah tier 6 CSM is looking real now. Remember when Denji Vs Yuji was just seen as a street tier brawl but with supernatural hijinx?

 

[Steve1775]

Spoiler: CSM

So the War Devil just transmuated the entire state of Michigan into a sword in the latest chapter in part 2, ofc we've got to wait and see the full context of the feat in the next chapter but sheesh unless Mudulo has some crazy upscaling for Yuji then Denji/Pochita kinda stat stomp before Domain Expansion can become an issue.

But yeah tier 6 CSM is looking real now. Remember when Denji Vs Yuji was just seen as a street tier brawl but with supernatural hijinx?

I trust my goat Gege to pull ftl+, planet level whatever for Yuji (not really, I don't see that happening)

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

That's not an AP feat at all. And no, Denji doesn't scale to it in any shape or form.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Spoiler: CSM

So the War Devil just transmuated the entire state of Michigan into a sword in the latest chapter in part 2, ofc we've got to wait and see the full context of the feat in the next chapter but sheesh unless Mudulo has some crazy upscaling for Yuji then Denji/Pochita kinda stat stomp before Domain Expansion can become an issue.

But yeah tier 6 CSM is looking real now. Remember when Denji Vs Yuji was just seen as a street tier brawl but with supernatural hijinx?

Lol turning Michigan into a sword genuinely feels like internet brain rot

 

[Chronicplane]

 

[TsukasayaEmmaDCD]

Just realize it helps that both are Roman's as well for connections

 

[Fezzih_007]

 

[Fezzih_007]

I think Sakuya side got this.

 

[AcidSilver]

I not sure, I don't think being niche is that problematic for Death Battle, we have that type of series before, like Elfen Lide. And the champions Polls have a lot of matchups like that, so is not like the crew can't do them.

Also, there's that character from Yokai Watch.

Elfen Lied is not as nearly obscure as Arcana Heart or Trinity Seven

Also they had Lucy fight Carnage who is a very popular character. Pretty much every time that DB uses a niche series/character they balance it out by having them fight a popular character to bring in the views. People may not know who Lucy is but they recognize Carnage and that’s how they draw viewers in.

Having one niche character fight an even less known character is the exact opposite of that. I know that Geats vs Nero is kind of an example of that but at least the franchises that the two are from are decently well known even if the characters themselves aren’t.

 

[Fezzih_007]

People may not know who Lucy is but they recognize Carnage and that’s how they draw viewers in.

Tbh, I also didn't know Carnage at the time, and just trought "Wow, Red Venom?".

Having one niche character fight an even less known character is the exact opposite of that.

I don't think Sakuya is that niche tho.
Now atleast.

 

[AcidSilver]

Tbh, I also didn't know Carnage at the time, and just trought "Wow, Red Venom?".

I don't think Sakuya is that niche tho.
Now atleast.

When I say niche I mean in the eyes of non hardcore DB fans. Regular people probably aren't following the Champion's Island stuff and if they are then it's only vaguely

 

[Fezzih_007]

When I say niche I mean in the eyes of non hardcore DB fans. Regular people probably aren't following the Champion's Island stuff and if they are then it's only vaguely

Even accounting that, I still don't think she is that niche? I not saying they would know Sakuya, but I do think the people will atleast reconize her If they see It.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

I think Sakuya side got this.

Geats does have some pretty good art like this one, so we'll see.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Even accounting that, I still don't think she is that niche? I not saying they would know Sakuya, but I do think the people will atleast reconize her If they see It.

Sauron was a who to them, so was Clive to some, casuals are simply not cultured enough on other media besides the mainstream shit

 

[Fezzih_007]

Sauron was a who to them, so was Clive to some, casuals are simply not cultured enough on other media besides the mainstream shit

I pretty sure some people who are not casuals did the same tho (Me for Clive).

 

[TsukasayaEmmaDCD]

Team wiz got this more tbh

 

[RanHover60]

Ngl Sakuya vs Hit is starting to grow on me

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

Ngl Sakuya vs Hit is starting to grow on me

Shrink it then.

 

[AcidSilver]

That's obviously Cod zombies right?

Nope