DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[XXBenShapiroXx]

You didnt do shit back then, all you sid was trying to justify bullshit without caring on consistency and then responded like a reddit user later on, you are horrible af

'responded like a reddit user' 'horrible af' you have very succinctly described the quality of your arguments back then.

Mhm yet you yapped earlier stuff like being hard to follow or whatever, nothing of that sort existing on that being the case

Yeah, I criticized a long awaited 200th episode of the show and compared it to past episodes involving characters from a franchise known for its stylistic fights. And despite my criticisms, I gave it a 7/10, called it solid, said the animators should be incredibly proud of their progress and what they've achieved, and the best RWBY episode so far. You've continued to ignore that.

You called me asshole and and act like i started? Yeah right, delusional at its finest, also what toxic vibes? Cuz i tell your stuff is after you tell comments like earlier? You have far better examples on that from others yet call it on me, no wonder why i cant take you seriously, you dont deserve it at all

I genuinely have no idea what the fck you are talking about lmao. Like you objectively started being a dick first. You started being a dick last time too. I've seen you have this overly aggressive attitude with multiple people several times since then. Now when I call you out on the needless well poisoning, you just respond with... more well poisoning.

Keep your replies to yourself yapping ass puker

Case in point.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Sounds like you may need to message the author then if you disagree with what happened in the story

Not really.

Like, Crona do this that is calced at this using her/they thorns, and Maka redirects It.

So

Les't see.

You say Maka is only Town Level, while Crona would be country level due to Calcs. That's a gap of millions.

Your reasoning for that, is because Maka don't scale to the high tier stuff without outside amps.

Homever, we see in this scans Maka redirecting a attack for Crona, the same attack that opens the Moon tooth, while she is not using any amps.

Your response for this, is claiming she is holding Spirit, her father, instead of Soul at the moment.

Homever, Maka blocks the attacks from Crona on chapter 105, and she start fighting using her father as a weapon on Chapter 106. In the scans, you can also see that she is holding Soul. .

So no, you not telling what happened in the story. You just wrong.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I still complain about Shadow vs Ryuko

How is Ryuko beating up a 6-D cosmology with 2 temporal dimensions????

 

[StrymULTRA]

Also btw, why are we comparing a literal LOW MULTIVERSAL character against whatever bs RWBY is anyway?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Also btw, why are we comparing a literal LOW MULTIVERSAL character against whatever bs RWBY is anyway?

She is not Low Multiversal on her own, she needed outside amps to reach that level

 

[WeeklyBattles]

How is Ryuko beating up a 6-D cosmology with 2 temporal dimensions????

By also being 6-D due to the hypertimelines in Kill La Kill IF

 

[StrymULTRA]

She is not Low Multiversal on her own, she needed outside amps to reach that level

Talking as if Death Battle did not allow Sonic characters to reach the Super Forms despite them needing Chaos Emeralds (an external boost).

By also being 6-D due to the hypertimelines in Kill La Kill IF

What are even the args lol?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Les't see.

You say Maka is only Town Level, while Crona would be country level due to Calcs. That's a gap of millions.

Your reasoning for that, is because Maka don't scale to the high tier stuff without outside amps.

Homever, we see in this scans Maka redirecting a attack for Crona, the same attack that opens the Moon tooth, while she is not using any amps.

Your response for this, is claiming she is holding Spirit, her father, instead of Soul at the moment.

Homever, Maka blocks the attacks from Crona on chapter 105, and she start fighting using her father as a weapon on Chapter 106. In the scans, you can also see that she is holding Soul. .

So no, you not telling what happened in the story. You just wrong.

Soul Eater (Official) - Chapter 106 - Read Free Manga Online at Bato.To

Maka is a scythe meister, working to perfect one particular scythe until it is good enough to become Death's Weapon -- the weapon used by Shinigami-sama, the spirit of Death himself. As if that wasn't unusual enough, her scythe is a demon scythe called Soul Eater, which can change form from a...

xbato.com

Here is the whole ass chapter

She

Is wielding

SPIRIT

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Profectus has no idea the pandora's box he unleashed upon this site by giving Dragon Ball hyper timeline arguments. Once Dragon Ball gets certain scaling, all the other verses get their equal attention cake.

Give it another month and Omni-man finna get hypertimeline scaling somehow

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Talking as if Death Battle did not allow Sonic characters to reach the Super Forms despite them needing Chaos Emeralds (an external boost).

Sonic characters dont need their teammates fighting alongside them to achieve Super Forms. Maka needs her teammates to be fighting alongside her against a single opponent in order to maintain Chain Resonance.

What are even the args lol?

Infinite universes in the multiverse, each universe has an infinite number of branching timelines due to functioning off of 'every decision branches the timeline' mechanics, and then Life Fibers transcend the entirety of reality and act as a higher-order spatio-temporal dimension and causality nexus that reality itself flows through

 

[StrymULTRA]

Sonic characters dont need their teammates fighting alongside them to achieve Super Forms. Maka needs her teammates to be fighting alongside her against a single opponent in order to maintain Chain Resonance.

...they're both external help.

Infinite universes in the multiverse, each universe has an infinite number of branching timelines due to functioning off of 'every decision branches the timeline' mechanics, and then Life Fibers transcend the entirety of reality and act as a higher-order spatio-temporal dimension and causality nexus that reality itself flows through

Imma need some scans for that chief.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Soul Eater (Official) - Chapter 106 - Read Free Manga Online at Bato.To

Maka is a scythe meister, working to perfect one particular scythe until it is good enough to become Death's Weapon -- the weapon used by Shinigami-sama, the spirit of Death himself. As if that wasn't unusual enough, her scythe is a demon scythe called Soul Eater, which can change form from a...

xbato.com

Here is the whole ass chapter

She

Is wielding

SPIRIT

That's Chapter 106.

In the chapter where she redirects Crona attacks, is 105.


The panel where she blocks the attack, you can see Black★Star holding Tsubaki, which he ins't for 106 entirely. And you can also cleary see is Soul there.

So yeah, you are is just extremely wrong there.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

...they're both external help.

One is equipment that is semi-standard, the other is two whole ass other people jumping in to help. Theyre not the same thing.

Imma need some scans for that chief.

Im wrking on a CRT for it, i will be sure to ping you when it goes up

 

[StrymULTRA]

One is equipment that is semi-standard, the other is two whole ass other people jumping in to help. Theyre not the same thing.

I mean... it's still accepted on the Wiki as something she can fully use in a 1v1, so idk about that chief.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

'responded like a reddit user' 'horrible af' you have very succinctly described the quality of your arguments back then.

Wow a "no u" card, how original, if your arguments are so better then why that aint accepted and debated for canon DB? Oh right, cuz they aint shit as you believe them

Yeah, I criticized a long awaited 200th episode of the show and compared it to past episodes involving characters from a franchise known for its stylistic fights. And despite my criticisms, I gave it a 7/10, called it solid, said the animators should be incredibly proud of their progress and what they've achieved, and the best RWBY episode so far. You've continued to ignore that.

You said shit which even someone else called you out on it regardless, but keep on claiming your praises outshine your irks told on it

I genuinely have no idea what the fck you are talking about lmao. Like you objectively started being a dick first. You started being a dick last time too.

I said you are yapping shitty takes, you called me sn asshole in return, you started it and on top of it adressed it on me personally, i aimed it at your opinion, a big difference you cant even make out and plays the victim hard lmao

I've seen you have this overly aggressive attitude with multiple people several times since then.

Now one instance of that any recently, weekly doesnt count, also some of you really love to blow out of proportion things regardless what it is about, whether a person or not, you are no different

Now when I call you out on the needless well poisoning, you just respond with... more well poisoning.

The moment you name called me and spread bullshit in replies you had no right to complain if someone spits on your face, you asked for it and that applies to any individual that directly or indirectly that goes to support shit against me, thinking you are some hot shit when you are just the latter half

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Wow a "no u" card, how original, if your arguments are so better then why that aint accepted and debated for canon DB? Oh right, cuz they aint shit as you believe them

ah yes of course as we all know this site is the complete arbiter of correct scaling. this site is never wrong and has no bias. the system always works like it's supposed to. l,ao

You said shit which even someone else called you out on it regardless, but keep on claiming your praises outshine your irks told on it

They disagreed with my opinion on it without being a dick, something you are incapable of doing. You are still keeping your head shoved in your ass to ignore all the positive things I had said about it, that's not a me issue, that's a you issue.

I said you are yapping shitty takes, you called me sn asshole in return, you started it and on top of it adressed it on me personally, i aimed it at your opinion, a big difference you cant even make out and plays the victim hard lmao

That's called being an asshole. You act like an asshole, and you get called an asshole. I'm not playing the victim lmao, I'm calling you out for aggressive, childish, dishonest behavior. You didn't disagree respectfully like the other person did, you called it a shitty take and said I always have shitty takes. That's asshole behavior

Now one instance of that any recently, weekly doesnt count, also some of you really love to blow out of proportion things regardless what it is about, whether a person or not, you are no different

"name one instance but also don't count that instance that just happened" lmfao

The moment you name called me and spread bullshit in replies you had no right to complain if someone spits on your face, you asked for it and that applies to any individual that directly or indirectly that goes to support shit against me, thinking you are some hot shit when you are just the latter half

What bullshit? You've constructed no argument, and you are the one who poisoned the well first. I had criticisms you didn't like and instead of actually engaging with them you were a prick about it. Why is my opinion bullshit? Like for once actually form a cohesive point instead of name calling and sophistry. 'Think you are some hot shit' you are genuinely delusional.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Like at least try to formulate some meaningful disagreement with my opinion instead of calling me a 'yapping ass puker' and then pretending you are somehow in the right.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Yeah, just like how Goku needed 5 pure-hearted Saiyans to reach Super Saiyan God initially

 

[StrymULTRA]

Yeah, just like how Goku needed 5 pure-hearted Saiyans to reach Super Saiyan God initially

You mean the 2-C Maka thing?

 

[HELLO_THERE779]

Guys, please tell me Buffy has a way to win, because from what it sounds Blade stomps her pretty hard.

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

Guys, please tell me Buffy has a way to win, because from what it sounds Blade stomps her pretty hard.

Um... Buffy is... more relevant?

Yeah, I got nothing.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Um... Buffy is... more relevant?

Yeah, I got nothing.

Buffy was written by Josh Whedon once back when he was still a good writer.

 

[HELLO_THERE779]

Um... Buffy is... more relevant?

Yeah, I got nothing.

Nothing, seriously?

Your telling me that out of every single piece of media that Buffy has ever had over the course of the show's existence, there is not a single thing that could potentially allow her to beat Blade? Like, the series has over 100 novels, and your telling me that none of that material helps her?

 

[Dust_Collector]

She's got some non-standard stuff that gets her to town level or even up to universal. Depending on what you argue the former might not be enough for Blade if you're lenient with how high he and Dracula scale (Highest is colossus if you wanna use that one time Dracula fought the X-Men and overpowered him) but universal stuff is just too much even if you wanna be generous with Blade and Dracula's scaling unless you try whacky shit like scaling Dracula to Doctor Strange based on their two fights or even trying to downscale Dracs durability from surviving a beating from a Cul amped Hulk, which lmao

Speed yeah I don't think she's matching Blade no matter what, which isn't gonna help given he's even got a weapon that can damage cosmic ghost rider. Then again Buffy's not a super researched series on terms of power scaling so there might be something obscure that makes her a billion times ftl with multiversal+ strength or whatever.

 

[Nico-v11]

The thing is her aura shouldnt have shut off. Even ignoring the issues with Adagio, Ruby has equipment that automatically turns her soul back on.

Pardon? No she does not have any equipment like that

 

[SpecterSkater]

So after going back and watching the episode a few times, I think I've finally solidified my thoughts on the whole thing:

TL;DR: Best milestone episode, best RWBY and Soul Eater episode, solid 9/10

Ruby's analysis: Mostly okay, but I feel like it suffers from some weird pacing issues. There's like two points where it feels like it's about to end and they go "Also she's got ____" They also black box Mercury knocking Ruby out of Petal Burst by saying 'she learned the ability to better phase through attacks'... but then even in last volume of the show she can be knocked out in the exact same way. The theme of Ruby's analysis is kind of a general outline of her story with some very charitable scaling for her, but we'll get to that in the post-fight analysis.

Maka's analysis: Much better, not even from my (undeniable) bias for Soul Eater. It covered both Maka and Soul's journey and struggles through the story in a pretty linear matter along with describing their various powerups. They obviously didn't go through every arc in detail but did great at highlighting Maka's struggle with her insecurities and how her and Soul overcame them together. Also mad props to my dude Black Star getting his flowers during the analysis, I'd love for him to finally get his episode someday. One gripe I have is how they really focused on how they believe Maka is just basically holding Soul while he does all the work which... isn't how this works. And I'm not the only one who thinks that as I saw people in the comments point it out as well. Ending line was kinda out of place though, since that was a line Maka said in the first episode when they needed to call Lord Death, who was... not who this analysis was for. Also he was dead at the end of the series. Probably the weakest part of the analysis, but a small nitpick.

The fight: The first like 60% of this fight is choreography excellence. The way Maka spins Soul and hits with it is so clean, and the interactions of scythe on scythe are nice. Love that Soul is hyping Maka up during the whole fight as a show of how good their bond is as well. And Maka shows on multiple occasions how much better she is at throwing hands during the whole fight. The rooftop bullet deflecting scene is absolutely peak, animated so well and really dynamic.

Unfortunately, the animation really falls off a bit as soon as the Black Blood Dress comes into play. The animation is a lot more awkward, and while it has my absolutely favorite beat-drop moment with Soul and the piano the animation where they're fighting with the white background is really stilted and awkward. However I will say the last bits of the animation post-Silver Eyes are a lot better. Maka's swing up for the kill and the gentleness with how she hold's Ruby's soul are very nice.

Now for my gripes: I'm sorry but Lindsey's delivery as Ruby is just not... great. I know she's the official VA and it's great getting her back after years of nothing, but I don't really buy any of her line reads. The 'Stop. Hitting. Me' one in particular just sounds like there was no impact to her hits, despite DB giving Maka a 5 billion times stronger reading. Also her last delivery of 'I'm Ruby Rose, and I am a Huntress' just didn't have any triumphant energy to it either. Much less complaints about Maka and Soul's VAs. I feel they really captured their roles well. They're no Laura Bailey or Micah Solusod but they still good picks to match the energy.

Also the battle track is an easy top 3 of the season. The piano drop is still hype after dozens of listens.

Post Fight Analysis: Here's where most of my gripes come in, even if they're not many. I got no problem with the strength part, it was neat seeing a number put to the Moon Cratering since the highest calc we have is Crona pulling teeth, so it's a nice new calc. Scaling Ruby to 'maybe could possibly' reach the Vine bomb feat is insane though. They never broke Vine's constructs during their fight, and scaling her aura to a feat that killed the person in question is just looking to give Ruby something to make the gap not look immense. And they still walked away giving her a 5 billion times difference.

Speed I'm also mostly okay with since I always argued speed was most likely going to be a tie. However my gripe was with how they said that while Ruby started at scaling to Adam's speed feat, they gave Petal Burst a 2x speed modifier out of nowhere on top of a general 'getting faster over the years' to make her faster than light. Along with saying Petal Burst 'overwhelmed' Harriet... except when you watch that fight she was able to keep up with Ruby and still threatened to take her out before Weiss jumped into save Ruby. They acted like Maka only was as fast as Black Star's FTL stuff that he did back in chapter 50 but didn't get any boosts through the rest of the story like they gave to Ruby, only to Black Box it to say that her speed isn't factoring in the Black Blood Dress. Personally I feel like that Black Box just admits that Maka flat out has the speed advantage, but I digress.

Skill is the one I'm most annoyed at. They spent the whole time basically saying Maka does nothing with Soul carrying all the weight, but that's not what happens at all. They make the argument like Maka would be helpless without Soul's help, but don't say anything about how Ruby is even more worse off if she didn't have Crescent Rose. Couple this with how they beat you over the head that someone indescribably stronger than Ruby wasn't able to break Maka and Soul's resonance I don't see why they didn't factor in how both of them are each other's skill instead of only focusing on what Maka could do. They left Soul out entirely. I don't have any issue with the obvious pointing out at how Ruby's series takes place over a longer period of time, but they don't really explain that the quality of opponents that Ruby and Maka fought are incredibly different. Personally I feel that Skill is another tie.

Powers is the biggest 'no duh' except for one part. Maka's whole kit just turns Ruby's main source of attack/defense/speed off which makes this just rough for her. But they way they argued that Silver Eyes would work on Black Blood had so much 'listen, we need to give Ruby something here' energy I could tell they didn't believe their argument. Especially since they argued that Maka and Soul could power through the Silver Eyes since Asura couldn't break their resonance which is... not related to Black Blood at all? Like it you wanted to make the argument that they could power through the Silver Eyes they could have pointed out how stronger Grimm could break out, not that. Also just a total fundamental misunderstanding about how Madness works, but again I feel like they argued that just to give Ruby some kind of hope of a chance. That's how Ruby's arguments really felt in general. Like obviously they're not gonna say Ruby is Maka fodder in the big 200 milestone Monty tribute episode, but they stretched a lot of stuff to make it feel like Ruby wasn't entirely defenseless.

All in all, probably one of my favorite of the Post-KS episodes.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

The same thing Erza did when she met Zoro in their fight

 

[SpecterSkater]

Pardon? No she does not have any equipment like that

He's talking about the Arrowfell items which did not appear in the show and would have drastically changed several key story moments had they did.

 

[Vortex1000]

So what are the chances Weekly will actually make a Soul Eater Crt?

Because it looks like that supposed RWBY Skill upgrade has been in the works for more than a year.

 

[Tipper17]

Cinder getting what she deserves

Also Ruby can be brought back to life as her soul still exists

eh her body got split in half and exploded m8 don't see how she can come back

 

[Spinoirr]

eh her body got split in half and exploded m8 don't see how she can come back

Soul eater lore, if your soul remains undamaged you can get your body back

in the Soul Eater Universe, as long as the soul remains intact Ruby can be brought back to life with; healing Wavelengths, restoration magic, or even possibly Maka's own Black Blood

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

eh her body got split in half and exploded m8 don't see how she can come back

she gonna rub some dirt in it she'll be fine

 

[MrKerf]

HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE SHADOWLANDS SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR ZOVAAL AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT. FOR SHADOWLANDS. HATE. HATE.

 

[Tipper17]

No, not really, there was tons of jank poses, stiff movements, wonky physics, odd camera angles, it was good for the most part but more than half of the fight its incredibly difficult to tell what the actual choreography is, as in what movements they are even making, that how stiff and choppy certain sections are


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Some pretty crucial hits felt unimpactful as well. The only advantage I'd say it has over the other episodes is special effects and graphical fidelity.

Its a good fight for sure, and the animators should be super proud of how far they've come, but in terms of actual intricate RWBY like choreography, it felt the least like a RWBY fight of the RWBY episodes.

There wasn't much jank in the fight , I can get towards the end there was some clunky stuff when the blake dress came in but for the most part it was solid and holds up on its rewatches

there wasn't much hard stuff to follow in it frankly at best we're talking a few negatives that are outweighed by its pros

camera angles were solid

while i can see ur points on some of its issues and agree really

 

[Tipper17]

 

[Tipper17]

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Um... Buffy is... more relevant?

Yeah, I got nothing.

She has 100 novels surly there's something in there

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

There wasn't much jank in the fight , I can get towards the end there was some clunky stuff when the blake dress came in but for the most part it was solid and holds up on its rewatches

there wasn't much hard stuff to follow in it frankly at best we're talking a few negatives that are outweighed by its pros

camera angles were solid

while i can see ur points on some of its issues and agree really

I do agree pros out weigh cons.

Track is heat too

 

[Epiccheev]

She has 100 novels surly there's something in there

Reading 100 novels for powerscaling is crazy work. Kudos to the research team.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Reading 100 novels for powerscaling is crazy work. Kudos to the research team.

They had godzilla untranslated novel too which i remember is even longer