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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

Which is why they shouldn't have done this MU tbh.
I'd argue it's one of the main reasons they should do it, trying to figure out how abilities with wildly different in universe mechanics could interact is super cool.

Granted I don't think DB would try too hard with that and even then Yugi likely just overwhelms Ash with sheer power anyway.
 
Would “destroying” a Pokémon via a card actually kill it tho? Because in Yugioh, the monster and its card still exists, you just can’t use it in that match anymore unless you do blah blah blah. So how does that play into things
The monsters are summoned via the cards, but the summoning is obviously restrained by rules, likely as part of the contract. Logically if the attack can do any physical damage the Pokemon aren't going to like it. The fact Ash only carries six Pokemon (unless they give him access to his entire PC of Pokemon) definitely is a weakness when Yugi has at least 40 cards, more than half of which are monsters.

Magic cards which mess with summoning and graveyard could be interpreted as playing with the rules of the summoning, so they could argue for not using them. Even so, many magic cards clearly have physical effects (dark hole and Raigeki for example), and monsters go to the same place (graveyard) if they get magicked there as if they get physically killed. Overall, I'd expect the magic cards would still work for the most part.
 
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As an aside, how much do you think Yugi just spitting bullshit is gonna matter? Like in the anime he just does whatever sometimes, independent of what cards and their effects actually do. I'm pretty sure he makes up a lot on the early series lol
 
Like, Penalty Game punishes if someone cheats or loses the game, right? If Yugi declares "we play Yugioh match" and Ash has no idea how to play that, he could accidentally cheat. Depending on interpretation, Ash could get screwed very very easily.
 
Would “destroying” a Pokémon via a card actually kill it tho? Because in Yugioh, the monster and its card still exists, you just can’t use it in that match anymore unless you do blah blah blah. So how does that play into things
I mean Yugioh cards are sent to the graveyard when destroyed, and need to be brought back to life afterwards. Depends on how equalized they're having the verses be, but they could just say that if a Pokemon is targeted by a trap or effect that would send a card to the graveyard, then they're just dead. No "revives" possible, since Pokemon only ever faint and don't actually die in typical battles

Really, this all is too dependent on how they personally wanna set up the fight as a team, and we have no way of really figuring out who wins beforehand. It's why debating this MU in particular seems kinda pointless, since an interpretation that may be popular in the community may not even be a factor in the fight or research itself
 
How high do Yugi’s monsters (and himself) get physically? Cuz there is a real possibility that they just straight up give Ash Creation Trio scaling Yugi might get blitzed and Oneshot before anything happens.
 
I mean for God's sakes, can't you make the argument that since Yugi has to give commands to his cards for them to attack/defend, and react in time to activate traps... that Ash completely blitzes him? Without Yugi ever having an opportunity to even say a word before Pikachu attacks him at infinite speed or wherever he's at now lol
 
Some pointed out that peak arguments are higher dimensional scaling for Yugi. Shrug if valid.
I mean for God's sakes, can't you make the argument that since Yugi has to give commands to his cards for them to attack/defend, and react in time to activate traps... that Ash completely blitzes him? Without Yugi ever having an opportunity to even say a word before Pikachu attacks him at infinite speed or wherever he's at now lol
You do know Ash also has to give commands? :V
 
Some pointed out that peak arguments are higher dimensional scaling for Yugi. Shrug if valid.

You do know Ash also has to give commands? :V
Not nearly as much as Yugi tho. Pokemon are actual thinking beings, that can move on their own if their trainer is in trouble. Yugi doesn't really have that, does he? All of his monsters are just cards that need him to function at all
 
God infinite speed Ash is so mentally challenged.

DB, you fraud checked Tom Cat, do it for Ash too.
 
Not arguing about the match-up tho I found it neat that in the Millennium World arc, Mahado & Mana/the Dark Magician Duo could use some spells under their own power or Kuriboh multiplying as a means of defense against stronger enemies.
I mean yeah, they're able to use all of their stuff without the use of cards. The cards are a recent development in verse while the act of duel monsters battles has existed for thousands of years
 
I mean for God's sakes, can't you make the argument that since Yugi has to give commands to his cards for them to attack/defend, and react in time to activate traps... that Ash completely blitzes him? Without Yugi ever having an opportunity to even say a word before Pikachu attacks him at infinite speed or wherever he's at now lol
just for reference, that's only when playing the game by the turn based rules, Bakura, who Yugi/Atem easily scales to can just summon his monsters out of the aether outside of the game rules and they'll act on their own (heck Dark magician and Dark Magician Girl were real people turned into monsters), like when he did so in Pegasus' castle, or during the Atlantis Arc where real monsters were being summoned all over. Alongside this, if Ash tries to attack outside of his own turn in a Shadow Game that could be counted as cheating and then he's screwed
 
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Ash doesnt even resist Mind Crush, no? Ranged attack ggs.
If I recall correctly, Mind Crush is what's called a Penalty Game, which is a punishment that can only be used on the loser of a Shadow Game. Put it another way, Yugi can't freely use the ability, he has to beat the opponent in a game or contest first, or said opponent break the rules of the game. On the flipside Yugi can turn anything he wants into a Shadow Game, even something as simple as an exchange of words and he will be the one imparting the rules.
 
Would “destroying” a Pokémon via a card actually kill it tho? Because in Yugioh, the monster and its card still exists, you just can’t use it in that match anymore unless you do blah blah blah. So how does that play into things
It would yes, in yugioh its treated as resurrection to bring them back, destruction is being dent to the graveyard, in. Dying
 
As an aside, how much do you think Yugi just spitting bullshit is gonna matter? Like in the anime he just does whatever sometimes, independent of what cards and their effects actually do. I'm pretty sure he makes up a lot on the early series lol
Lol, yeah, the Duelist Kingdom arc was become an absolute meme because of that. Now, to be fair, the card game per se didn't exist in real life yet and the rules in the manga changed constantly between arcs for the sake of spectacle, so it was less Yugi cheating and more Yugi being a good shonen protag and pulling new powers out of his buttocks. The actual rules weren't proerly finalized until the Battle City arc and the anime didn't faithfully follow the real life game until the GX series.
 
Hey, apparently Nintendo is trying to patent the act of summoning something to fight for you. Maybe Ash will win because Yugi tries to summon something and immediately gets a "cease and desist" letter from Nintendo.
That is so f***ing Nintendo. I doubt something this deranged goes through, but if it does what? Goodbye Personas, goodbye Stands, goodby Summons, goodbye Partner Digimons and so on? Hell, maybe even goodbye sending troops into battle in a war simulation game?
 
That is so f***ing Nintendo. I doubt something this deranged goes through, but if it does what? Goodbye Personas, goodbye Stands, goodby Summons, goodbye Partner Digimons and so on? Hell, maybe even goodbye sending troops into battle in a war simulation game?
yeah i think its way too far reaching and way beyond their scope to be legit
 
The monsters are summoned via the cards, but the summoning is obviously restrained by rules, likely as part of the contract. Logically if the attack can do any physical damage the Pokemon aren't going to like it. The fact Ash only carries six Pokemon (unless they give him access to his entire PC of Pokemon) definitely is a weakness when Yugi has at least 40 cards, more than half of which are monsters.

Magic cards which mess with summoning and graveyard could be interpreted as playing with the rules of the summoning, so they could argue for not using them. Even so, many magic cards clearly have physical effects (dark hole and Raigeki for example), and monsters go to the same place (graveyard) if they get magicked there as if they get physically killed. Overall, I'd expect the magic cards would still work for the most part.
A few things

Ash has access to all of his poke.on now via the rotomdex, he's not limited to just 6

Yugis summoning isn't limited by cards, he technically doesn't need them at all. All of his monsters are an extension of his Ba, his spirit energy he can summon without cards. Even Kaiba was able to summon obelisk through sheer force of will even after he lost the obelisk card
 
Like, Penalty Game punishes if someone cheats or loses the game, right? If Yugi declares "we play Yugioh match" and Ash has no idea how to play that, he could accidentally cheat. Depending on interpretation, Ash could get screwed very very easily.
Yes but it's not in character for him to rig a game unless the opponent is evil. He'd make it as fair as possible for ash
 
How high do Yugi’s monsters (and himself) get physically? Cuz there is a real possibility that they just straight up give Ash Creation Trio scaling Yugi might get blitzed and Oneshot before anything happens.
The egyptian gods and his ace monsters get multiversal+ to low complex multiversal and infinite to immeasurable
 
I mean for God's sakes, can't you make the argument that since Yugi has to give commands to his cards for them to attack/defend, and react in time to activate traps... that Ash completely blitzes him? Without Yugi ever having an opportunity to even say a word before Pikachu attacks him at infinite speed or wherever he's at now lol
Not at all, yugi has reactions on par with if not superior to anything ash's pokemon have shown
 
It also doesn't help Ash at all that yugi has both passive luck manipulation that becomes more potential proportional to how dire the situation he's in is via the millennium puzzle, and active probability manipulation via Destiny Draw allowing him to draw whatever card he needs to handle the situation he's in
 
I mean yeah, they're able to use all of their stuff without the use of cards. The cards are a recent development in verse while the act of duel monsters battles has existed for thousands of years
Interesting that Pegasus split some of the monsters' original powers into magic cards within his version of the game. Probably for balancing reasons.
Lol, yeah, the Duelist Kingdom arc was become an absolute meme because of that.
Made it fitting that the big boss of the arc had toons in his deck
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I mean Yugioh cards are sent to the graveyard when destroyed, and need to be brought back to life afterwards. Depends on how equalized they're having the verses be, but they could just say that if a Pokemon is targeted by a trap or effect that would send a card to the graveyard, then they're just dead. No "revives" possible, since Pokemon only ever faint and don't actually die in typical battles
Not really related to the argument, but it's funny to think that that's supposed to be what the Graveyard was for, with monsters 'dying' and only coming back with very specific revives...but modern Yu-Gi-Oh IRL completely trivializes this because a lot of decks essentially treat the GY as a combo-dumping ground to rotate your monsters in and out of lmao.
Makes you wonder how Banishing would work in this instance; would that essentially EE Ash's Pokemon?
 
Not really related to the argument, but it's funny to think that that's supposed to be what the Graveyard was for, with monsters 'dying' and only coming back with very specific revives...but modern Yu-Gi-Oh IRL completely trivializes this because a lot of decks essentially treat the GY as a combo-dumping ground to rotate your monsters in and out of lmao.
Makes you wonder how Banishing would work in this instance; would that essentially EE Ash's Pokemon?
In the anime it's sending them to hell or in some cases an alternate dimension, so it's more along the lines of BFR
 
I would also say we also got proof that yugis monster can act on its own. Like how Dark magician protected Yugi against pandora
Yeah, or how Kuriboh constantly summoned itself from the middle of yugi's deck on its own

Plus the whole thing with duel spirits being able to summon themselves and fight on their own in gx, with yugi having such a strong spiritual bond with his deck that every monster in it is canonically capable of doing the same
 
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