DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[Jinx666]

And when Ruby wins I want an apology from you

Lmfaoooo deal. What do i get if you're wrong?

Just because you disagree with it being canon does not make it non-canon

And similarly, just because you THINK its mainline canon, doesn't make it canon. And even then you arent scaling them to actual DC Heralds

Canon-adjacent and Mainline are separate things. Nothing in adjacent media will EVER be completely comparable to aminline

 

[Joycap]

Kano!

Probably Big Joe as far as scaling, but a ‘black market weapons dealer’… I guess Chairman Bana falls in this camp?

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

Give me an Australian character, and I’ll see if I can find a Xeno JRPG VS MU for them

Bluey.

 

[Jinx666]

I've got one

If Ruby loses, Weekly has to promise to not claim Death Battle is biased across any and all mediums they post on

Especially when, if anything, they would be biased to the character their old company used to own and are still on good terms with. Theres literally no reason they'd have any spite towards Ruby to rig it in Maka's favour...despite feeding her to the wolves for the sake of a legacy matchup.

 

[Joycap]

Bluey.

Oh sweet Christ…

Before I say anything else, you got a profile?

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Kano!

I read the AP part of this blog and I couldn't help but laugh at how many times you scaled Kano to someone but also mentioned that he was either weaker than them or got defeated.

Is he really that much of a jobber in the NRS games?

 

[Joycap]

I've got one

If Ruby loses, Weekly has to promise to not claim Death Battle is biased across any and all mediums they post on

Especially when, if anything, they would be biased to the character their old company used to own and are still on good terms with. Theres literally no reason they'd have any spite towards Ruby to rig it in Maka's favour...despite feeding her to the wolves for the sake of a legacy matchup.

To be fair, how would you enforce this?

 

[BlackDarkness679]

I read the AP part of this blog and I couldn't help but laugh at how many times you scaled Kano to someone but also mentioned that he was either weaker than them or got defeated.

Is he really that much of a jobber in the NRS games?

More or less

 

[WeeklyBattles]

So you'd apologize if Maka won, right?

Correct

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I've got one

If Ruby loses, Weekly has to promise to not claim Death Battle is biased across any and all mediums they post on

Especially when, if anything, they would be biased to the character their old company used to own and are still on good terms with. Theres literally no reason they'd have any spite towards Ruby to rig it in Maka's favour...despite feeding her to the wolves for the sake of a legacy matchup.

Deal

 

[DaReaperMan]

I read the AP part of this blog and I couldn't help but laugh at how many times you scaled Kano to someone but also mentioned that he was either weaker than them or got defeated.

Is he really that much of a jobber in the NRS games?

Second Timeline Kano does basically nothing because you never play as him, thus you'll never get decent feats from him outside of other characters you're not playing as getting injured by his weapons sometimes.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

And similarly, just because you THINK its mainline canon, doesn't make it canon. And even then you arent scaling them to actual DC Heralds

Canon-adjacent and Mainline are separate things. Nothing in adjacent media will EVER be completely comparable to aminline

Writers saying its canon = It is canon

 

[Fezzih_007]

Nah.

Stat trinity +

Ruby:
Town to Possibly Island: The Wyvern Grimm made an earthquake (12 to 70 Kilotons). Oscar's shield was calculated to 2.7 to 8 Megatons. (Via scaling to Maidens) you can argue she scales to 1/5 of Salem's power (as from what I have been told, they have a bit of Ozpin's power who is equal to her), which launched a pool of grim sludge into the sky (407 Gigatons, so 81 Gigatons).

Relativistic to FTL: Scales to Adam, who blocked a laser (0.42c). Scales to Winter, who also blocked a laser (4c)

Maka:
Mountain to Possibly Large Country (see note): Scales to Crona, who made the moon bleed (125 Megatons), made a big dome (260 Megatons), and lifted the mouth of the moon (664 Teratons).

Relativistic to Maybe FILL: Scales to Black Star who reacted to light (0.43c, iffier calculations putting this at 2.9c to 3.1c)

Skill and Experience

When it comes to skill, both should be about equal. Both have undergone extensive combat training and are clearly experts when it comes to scythe combat, which should be a given considering how much cool stuff they pull every other fight twirling those things around. While you could argue that Maka has better showings of beating people up without Soul in her hands, Ruby has fought against the supernatural for a longer total period of time and therefore is more experienced. Thus it is fair to say that Skill cancels out here.

Potential Silver Eyes shenanigans if DB equalizes Madness with Grimm but this one is shaky

As a final note, no, the Silver Eyes would not work on Maka or Soul. They specifically only work on, and in the presence of, Grimm, or people with Grimm physiology attached to their bodies like Cinder, with neither of these qualifications applying to Maka. Even if you argued that, for whatever reason, the Silver Eyes worked on “evil” substances, and therefore could counter the Black Blood, that still does not work as an argument. The Black Blood and Madness are explicitly not inherently evil, with there even being a big character development for Soul about how he should not fear Madness as it’s a neutral force rather than something inherently toxic.

Btw, the Joke is that I stole this arguments for the g1 blog

 

[Jinx666]

Deal

Holding you to it

Writers saying its canon = It is canon

Yeah, except try and stop erasing the context to better suit your ideals. They stated it was canon-adjacent. Thats intrinsically different to being outright mainline canon. They are WRITING the characters in the context of canon story, but then outright stated that none of this material will be mentioned in the main story.

And any scaler with critical integrity would know not to immediately rely on crossover material as concrete fact.

 

[Joycap]

Writers saying its canon = It is canon

Take it from a Xeno fan whose noticed Takahashi fail to keep track of half-most of his continuity, this isn’t always true

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Nah.

Yah

Maka:
Mountain to Possibly Large Country (see note): Scales to Crona, who made the moon bleed (125 Megatons), made a big dome (260 Megatons), and lifted the mouth of the moon (664 Teratons).

Relativistic to Maybe FILL: Scales to Black Star who reacted to light (0.43c, iffier calculations putting this at 2.9c to 3.1c)

Maka does not scale to Crona or BlackStar without Chain Resonance or Spirit

When it comes to skill, both should be about equal. Both have undergone extensive combat training and are clearly experts when it comes to scythe combat, which should be a given considering how much cool stuff they pull every other fight twirling those things around. While you could argue that Maka has better showings of beating people up without Soul in her hands, Ruby has fought against the supernatural for a longer total period of time and therefore is more experienced. Thus it is fair to say that Skill cancels out here.

Working on a skill breakdown but no, comparing Ruby, who has been training in combat since childhood, to Maka, who has two years of experience and had never been in a fight before she enrolled at DWMA, is not accurate at all. Plus the whole 'twirling things around' thing is canonically Soul fighting for Maka, Maka herself is not doing that.

As a final note, no, the Silver Eyes would not work on Maka or Soul. They specifically only work on, and in the presence of, Grimm, or people with Grimm physiology attached to their bodies like Cinder, with neither of these qualifications applying to Maka. Even if you argued that, for whatever reason, the Silver Eyes worked on “evil” substances, and therefore could counter the Black Blood, that still does not work as an argument. The Black Blood and Madness are explicitly not inherently evil, with there even being a big character development for Soul about how he should not fear Madness as it’s a neutral force rather than something inherently toxic.

Grimm are abstract embodiments of the negativity of humanity, just like Madness. Soul Eater even has a Grimm equivalent in Clowns. Though like i said, this argument is a stretch

 

[Jinx666]

Take it from a Xeno fan whose noticed Takahashi fail to keep track of half-most of his continuity, this isn’t always true

Exactly

Weekly trying to claim Ice Queendom took place after Volume 2 of Ruby because some marketing guy got it wrong, when the show in itself very obviously takes place during Volume 1 and before Volume 2.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Holding you to it

Yeah, except try and stop erasing the context to better suit your ideals. They stated it was canon-adjacent. Thats intrinsically different to being outright mainline canon. They are WRITING the characters in the context of canon story, but then outright stated that none of this material will be mentioned in the main story.

And any scaler with critical integrity would know not to immediately rely on crossover material as concrete fact.

Canon Adjacent = canon unless the story contradicts it, which it hasnt. Just because it hasnt been explicitly name dropped in the main story does not mean it didnt happen and does not mean its non-canon.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Exactly

Weekly trying to claim Ice Queendom took place after Volume 2 of Ruby because some marketing guy got it wrong, when the show in itself very obviously takes place during Volume 1 and before Volume 2.

When did i say it took place after volume 2? Ive always said it took place in volume 1. Its literally the in-universe explanation for Weiss doing a complete 180 towards blake out of nowhere

 

[Fezzih_007]

Yah

This gonna be a fun (extend) waiting period.

So, I think the Track name should be "Grimm Reaper" due to both using Scythes, and Maka collect souls, and RWBY grimms.

 

[Joycap]

When it comes to skill, both should be about equal. Both have undergone extensive combat training and are clearly experts when it comes to scythe combat, which should be a given considering how much cool stuff they pull every other fight twirling those things around. While you could argue that Maka has better showings of beating people up without Soul in her hands, Ruby has fought against the supernatural for a longer total period of time and therefore is more experienced. Thus it is fair to say that Skill cancels out here.

Just as a complete aside - how many people here separate skill and exp. as different categories? Genuinely curious.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Just as a complete aside - how many people here separate skill and exp. as different categories? Genuinely curious.

Basically everyone

Skill has demonstrable feats, experience is just a measurement of time spent fighting/training and/or variety of opponents fought

 

[Jinx666]

Canon Adjacent = canon unless the story contradicts it, which it hasnt. Just because it hasnt been explicitly name dropped in the main story does not mean it didnt happen and does not mean its non-canon.

No, thats secondary canon.

They expressly state that they were writing the RWBY characters to their canon counterparts, and taking note of the actual context of the story when they wrote it. Hence they are written canon-adjacent, and you can argue perhaps feats of skill and unrelated subset powers introduced count, but otherwise its not to be put in part of the main story on the same level of basis. And even then, it doesnt help Ruby against Maka. The DC Scaling is a meme

That being said, you also arent allowed to try and put the Justice league crossover anime, AND the crossover comic as canon, since they BOTH literally contradict eachother in the fact RWBY are meeting both for the first time lol. Which was also something you were trying to argue for.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

No, thats secondary canon.

They expressly state that they were writing the RWBY characters to their canon counterparts, and taking note of the actual context of the story when they wrote it. Hence they are written canon-adjacent, and you can argue perhaps feats of skill and unrelated subset powers introduced count, but otherwise its not to be put in part of the main story on the same level of basis. And even then, it doesnt help Ruby against Maka. The DC Scaling is a meme

No, that is the definition of canon-adjacent.

That being said, you also arent allowed to try and put the Justice league crossover anime, AND the crossover comic as canon, since they BOTH literally contradict eachother in the fact RWBY are meeting both for the first time lol. Which was also something you were trying to argue for.

The comic is not canon. I have never once tried to argue that it is canon.

 

[Jinx666]

When did i say it took place after volume 2? Ive always said it took place in volume 1. Its literally the in-universe explanation for Weiss doing a complete 180 towards blake out of nowhere

In a thread back when it first released.

Someone stated it took place in Volume 2 on some release blog, and you literally just RAN with that despite the series quite literally ending on the food fight from V2 lol. I dont blame you for not wanting to associate with that take

Just an example of why you need to put some level of thinking into whether media aligns with the canon as opposed to just believing a random canon statement from someone (especially when, if you truly do 'hate RWBY' and understand all of its writing flaws, you'd know the writers arent always gonna be correct or are sure of their own timeline itself)

 

[Jinx666]

No, that is the definition of canon-adjacent.

The comic is not canon. I have never once tried to argue that it is canon.

Revisionalism lmaoooo.

Oh well, ill take the denial as you just trying to save face all the way back when.

 

[Jinx666]

Anyway im done for today, just wanted to check in. Cant wait for the episode.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

All this time and Jinx is still making stuff up about me

If you missed me this much you could have just said so

 

[Fezzih_007]

Just as a complete aside - how many people here separate skill and exp. as different categories? Genuinely curious.

Uh.

I think they should be separate, but I Fine when is grouped togheter.

Like, Skill is how good you are at fighting, be at martial arts or use of a weapon.
Experience is how long you been fighting and the type of situation you been at.

 

[Tipper17]

2 more weeks of this lunacy

God help me

 

[Joycap]

God help me

Well, week and a half

 

[Tipper17]

 

[DaReaperMan]

God help me

Is this going to be you in a week?

 

[Joycap]

Now that I think about it, am I the only one that thinks Van Doren in the preview sounds like David Vincent?

 

[AcidSilver]

Elizabeth shit stomps bro, especially with her hax

Elizabeth couldn't even stop a Big Daddy from slamming her through a wall. Girl is the definition of Potential Woman.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

When it comes to skill, both should be about equal. Both have undergone extensive combat training and are clearly experts when it comes to scythe combat, which should be a given considering how much cool stuff they pull every other fight twirling those things around. While you could argue that Maka has better showings of beating people up without Soul in her hands, Ruby has fought against the supernatural for a longer total period of time and therefore is more experienced. Thus it is fair to say that Skill cancels out here.

Ruby:

• Has been trained in combat since childhood against a variety of human and Grimm opponents, currently has roughly a decade of training and combat experience
• Personally trained by some of the best fighters on the planet over the course of her journey (Qrow, Maria, Ozpin, Harriet), and was constantly training on her own for the majority of the story
• Consistently described as being leagues above her peers in combat training at Signal
• Described by a man who has seen countless Huntsmen over hundreds of thousands of years to be exceedingly skilled and a master of wielding one of the most dangerous weapons ever designed
• Can casually look at a person's weapon, immediately deduce its capabilities and functions as well as any weaknesses, and they instantly know that person's fighting style and any flaws it has
• Stated in-verse to be a more skilled fighter than her sister, who can match two world-class assassins at the same time and read their combat patterns to the point of knowing exactly what moves they will use even when she cant see them
• Stated by Word of God to be more skilled than Velvet, who has the Takmaster-style ability to copy and replicate fighting styles and weapons just by looking at them and has dozens to hundreds of fighting styles she can use simultaneously, with it being stated that that is the level of skill Ruby and her team would all have reached by the second year at Beacon
• Currently on par with Winter, Qrow, and the Ace Ops in terms of skill, all of whom are some of the best fighters in the world
• On par with Weiss in skill, who 1v1ed Batman and won in canon

Maka

• Had never been in a fight before she met Soul just before enrolling in DWMA, and has roughly 2 years of combat experience and roughly 1 year of actual training by the end of the series
• Only formally started training to wield a scythe through her own capabilities after the fight with Giriko, roughly 2/3rds of the way through the story
  • Up until this point she relied entirely on Soul to perform the various combat maneuvers they used in combat due to his ability to control his movements in scythe form
  • Before she started training Maka was incapable of even spinning a broomstick in her hand without fumbling it
  • It is a major plot point that one of Maka's biggest insecurities up until this point was that she felt she was holding Soul back by being such a weak and unskilled weapon Meister
• Multiple people throughout the story have noted that she is bad at fighting, and she has even admitted herself that she is not a skilled fighter
• Before the final arc she was in the middle of her class in terms of measured combat ability, with Kid, BlackStar, and Kilik still being the top 3 of her class in combat skill

Maka's skill primarily lies in her creativity and her applications of Soul Perception and Resonance Techniques, not her outright combat skill. In terms of combat skill they are not comparable, Ruby is just blatantly measurably more skilled and experienced than Maka.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Elizabeth couldn't even stop a Big Daddy from slamming her through a wall. Girl is the definition of Potential Woman.

Lucy when Elizabeth hits her with Possession

 

[AcidSilver]

Lucy when Elizabeth hits her with Possession

She'd get her head sliced off by monowire before she even blinked. There's a reason Burial at Sea part 2 is basically one long stealth mission.

Edit: Also let's be real, if she couldn't react to a Big Daddy very obviously about to attack her back when she was at full power then how the hell would she react to Lucy of all people who could kill her with just a flick of the wrist?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Girl is the definition of Potential Woman.

Good **** tho

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

I don't get people who want Fluttershy in DB lol. Only way I think she should ever set foot in an episode is with the whole Mane 6 against another team

She will fight