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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

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Ooo, Sorcerer of Black Magic🔥! Wish Yugi used him outside the Pyramid of Light movie.
 

Not a huge JJK fan but I can dig this. Morally reprehensible monsters slugging it out with some cool powers that would interact with each other. Medusa's powers would be infinitely easier to animate, so this would be a pretty good Sprite/2D one. Not to mention a small army fight with Kenjaku's summons vs Medusa's snakes and clowns. Seems like it mostly comes down to haxes and abilities rather than strictly straight up stats which I like as well.

There's no matchups for BlackStar or Death the Kid that I can see (BlackStar's profile had a discussion where he won against Zoro but I'm not really a fan of that matchup, Rock Lee's already has his matchup but I dig the dynamic) And Death the Kid... I got no idea.
Medusa is one of the few anime momsters that rivals Ragyo and that's saying... a lot. Though Kenjaku is a straight up a freak and technically an anime momster too, gross!

And you know there's a few "I can fix her" simps out there too. I like the MU but sheesh even abusive parents won't stop all the gooners (Internet in a nutshell tbh).

Omega Zero Win due to the Uni+ scaling, while Cell was not given that.
Unless your using Archie Megaman or some weird composite version (MvC and Capcomverse), classic MM peaks at star level at best (large star level with maximum leeway but that's calc/multiplier stacking territory).
 
Who is the one DD fights?
that's Mangog, a big Thor villain, has the power of a billion billion beings and every single one of them wants to kill Asgardians.

Unironically a pretty solid contender for Doomsday as his whole thing is feeding off of the sins and anger, and feelings of vengeance and hatred of those around him, and cannot be destroyed as long as such things exist, meaning Doomsday is basically a walking nuclear reactor for him.
 
Medusa is one of the few anime momsters that rivals Ragyo and that's saying... a lot. Though Kenjaku is a straight up a freak and technically an anime momster too, gross!

And you know there's a few "I can fix her" simps out there too. I like the MU but sheesh even abusive parents won't stop all the gooners (Internet in a nutshell tbh).

Y'know I feel that Medusa vs Ragyo would've been a matchup in an alternate timeline where DB wasn't so late in doing KLK and Soul Eater matchups. The connections are there, fight dynamic is decent, banter would probably be pretty good. Could have Vector Arrows vs Life Fibers. A terrible wait period of 'hear-me-outs' and 'I can fix hers'

And whoever dies I'd be happy.
 
that's Mangog, a big Thor villain, has the power of a billion billion beings and every single one of them wants to kill Asgardians.

Unironically a pretty solid contender for Doomsday as his whole thing is feeding off of the sins and anger, and feelings of vengeance and hatred of those around him, and cannot be destroyed as long as such things exist, meaning Doomsday is basically a walking nuclear reactor for him.
So like Hulk vs Red Lantern
 
It's surprising how few Kirby episodes there are on the show. We had Kirby vs Buu back in season 2, then we got Wario vs Dedede in season 6, and that's it. I think there was a DBX with Meta Knight but overall not a whole lotta Kirby on the show.
 
It's surprising how few Kirby episodes there are on the show. We had Kirby vs Buu back in season 2, then we got Wario vs Dedede in season 6, and that's it. I think there was a DBX with Meta Knight but overall not a whole lotta Kirby on the show.
Tbh we are mostly just missing Meta Knight in real show. Kirby side characters while kinda viable, are too low priority looking at recent MUs. Kirby's MUs are either Mario or maybe even KirbyBuu2. Dedede has Bowser and memes, but Bowser is tbh inferior to BowserEggman in potential. Like, if MilesDeku got made recently, Bandanna Waddle Dee feels screwed. Mago-who? Lets get HulkGodzilla instead.

I have wanted to ask, outside of capers, are some verses overused in DB? Current usage for heavy used ones:
  • Dragon Ball 16
  • Sonic 13
  • Street Fighter 12
  • Mortal Kombat 11
  • Mario 10
  • Naruto 9
  • Star Wars 8 (7 if BobaSamus2 discounter)
I wouldnt mind seeing these still get eps (besides DB treatment of some verses being debated lol) or just lesser used ones too like Kirby.

  • Killer Instinct 6
  • Pokemon 6
  • Mega Man 5
  • Legend of Zelda 5
  • MyHeroAcademia 5
  • TMNT 4
  • MLP 4
  • Transformers 4
  • Final Fantasy 4
  • Power Rangers 4
  • Avatar 4
  • JoJo 4
  • Fatal Fury 3
  • Godzilla 3
  • RWBY 3
  • One Piece 3
  • Fairy Tail 3
  • One Punch Man 3
  • Metal Gear 2 (3 if Raiden bonus ep)
  • Metroid 2 (1 if BobaSamus2 not counted)
  • Darkstalkers 2
  • BlazBlue 2
  • God of War 2
  • Spawn 2
  • Real World 2
  • Halo 2
  • DOOM 2
  • He-Man 2
  • Soul Calibur 2
  • Gundam 2
  • Kirby 2
  • Berserk 2
  • Digimon 2
  • Devil May Cry 2
  • Red vs Blue 2
  • Overwatch 2
  • Bleach 2
  • Kingdom Hearts 2
  • Tekken 2
  • Persona 2
  • Invincible 2
  • Jujutsu Kaisen 2
  • The Boys 1(2 if bonus ep counted)
All other verses have been used once. DBX ignored cause duh lol
 
Can Simon's missiles hit Ultima in its alternate singular point dimension?
Honestly? I'm not sure. Simon's missiles are suppose to hit its targets in every point in time, space, or dimensions. But the problem is that Simon was treated as being a finite dimensional level character (albeit one capable of evolution) while Godzilla's Ultima form is treated as being straight up Outerversal and beyond the concept of dimensions.

So I would personally argue that, based off DB's stats, Simon would be unable to evolve to the same level of existence as Godzilla Ultima.
 
Tbh Id say that if in DB stats Simon can eventually overpower Kyle, then he would exceed Goji Ultima who in DB logic had no such layers above Godzilla multiverse when compared to Mahvel.
 
Honestly? I'm not sure. Simon's missiles are suppose to hit its targets in every point in time, space, or dimensions. But the problem is that Simon was treated as being a finite dimensional level character (albeit one capable of evolution) while Godzilla's Ultima form is treated as being straight up Outerversal and beyond the concept of dimensions.

So I would personally argue that, based off DB's stats, Simon would be unable to evolve to the same level of existence as Godzilla Ultima.
but considering that he evolved beyond infinities, it is not unlikely for him to eventually catch up to Godzilla (also, they even said that Kyle had a better scaling, but Simon still won)
 
Mind you Im not sure DB Simon has ability to overcome Goji Ulti's causality immortality. It might be a draw for them?

Reddit seems to have some think Ultima beats Simon.
 
Tbh Id say that if in DB stats Simon can eventually overpower Kyle, then he would exceed Goji Ultima who in DB logic had no such layers above Godzilla multiverse when compared to Mahvel.
True, but also bear in mind that they ultimately made Godzilla and Hulk equal in power because both were so powerful that evolving to become stronger would mean nothing when they'll always be equal. And yeah I know the blackboxes alluded to Hulk having way higher scaling then Godzilla Ultima due to cosmology, but I digress.
but considering that he evolved beyond infinities, it is not unlikely for him to eventually catch up to Godzilla (also, they even said that Kyle had a better scaling, but Simon still won)
Except Godzilla Ultima, by DB's research, is a character which makes infinities irrelevant since he's already beyond such concepts. Simon can evolve beyond infinities for an infinite amount of time, yet he'll never be able to catch up to Godzilla since Simon will always be bounded by some form of finiteness while Godzilla is beyond that entirely.
 
Except Godzilla Ultima, by DB's research, is a character which makes infinities irrelevant since he's already beyond such concepts. Simon can evolve beyond infinities for an infinite amount of time, yet he'll never be able to catch up to Godzilla since Simon will always be bounded by some form of finiteness while Godzilla is beyond that entirely.
finitness of infinities what the hell is even that???????????
and again, that sounds stupid when he already trascended infinities...more than once actually.
why would he still be infinitely bounded to finitness of infinities (redundancy apartment)
 
Godzilla's causality manip bypasses and affects other acausals too, so simply having acausality or resisting causality hacks won't work at all.
 
finitness of infinities what the hell is even that???????????
Basically: Simon is a character who is capable of evolving beyond infinites(going from 11-D, 12-D, 13-D, etc), but he's always going to be bounded by some sort of infinity and dimensionality until he transcends it. Godzilla Ultima, meanwhile, is a character who is fundamentally OUTSIDE of infinities because he transcends such concepts. You can have more infinities in your cosmology then Godzilla's, yet it will still mean nothing because Godzilla is simply unbounded and beyond that.
and again, that sounds stupid when he already trascended infinities...more than once actually.
I didn't say that Simon hasn't transcended infinites, only that he'll never be able to reach Godzilla Ultima because he'll always have to transcend a new level of infinity while Godzilla's going to always be beyond it no matter how much time passes.
why would he still be infinitely bounded to finitness of infinities
Because no matter how many infinites Simon transcends, he'll still be bounded to some form of infinity no matter how much time passes.
 
Basically: Simon is a character who is capable of evolving beyond infinites(going from 11-D, 12-D, 13-D, etc), but he's always going to be bounded by some sort of infinity and dimensionality until he transcends it. Godzilla Ultima, meanwhile, is a character who is fundamentally OUTSIDE of infinities because he transcends such concepts. You can have more infinities in your cosmology then Godzilla's, yet it will still mean nothing because Godzilla is simply unbounded and beyond that.

I didn't say that Simon hasn't transcended infinites, only that he'll never be able to reach Godzilla Ultima because he'll always have to transcend a new level of infinity while Godzilla's going to always be beyond it no matter how much time passes.

Because no matter how many infinites Simon transcends, he'll still be bounded to some form of infinity no matter how much time passes.
Which again, makes no sense because he's already transcended the infinities that already existed, several times over.
Not to mention that regarding the drama CD, a mangaka Simon created the fictional universe of Gurren Lagann (along with everything that would entail)and it was still surpassed by the Real Simon.
also we are not counting that emotions in GL trascend space and time.
 
Which again, makes no sense because he's already transcended the infinities that already existed, several times over.
Which isn't my point, Alexander. I'm simply saying that Simon's always going to be bounded to some form of dimensionality while Godzilla Ultima is outright transcendent of dimensionality.
Not to mention that regarding the drama CD, a mangaka Simon created the fictional universe of Gurren Lagann (along with everything that would entail)and it was still surpassed by the Real Simon.
Which is weird to me because it's R>F transcendence similar to Godzilla Ultima, yet Death Battle argued it was just a higher dimensional transcendence whille Ultima was put at straight up Outerversal. I don't know why that is, but I'm just going by their own research.
also we are not counting that emotions in GL trascend space and time.
Good for GL. But, with all due respect, it is completely irrelevant to my point and thus I see no reason to bring it up.
 
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