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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

Y'know something I've remembered from way back that I kind of wish they'd do is not announce both fighters at the same time. Unless I'm Mandela Effecting myself here, I think DB used to just announce one character for the next time, then announce their opponent like a week later.

Honestly I feel like it might be hype to announce a character, then we have the week of 'who are they fighting' anticipation until their sneak peek, then they announce their opponent after that.

Now granted I can immediately see a negative of this with people thinking of hoping for their own interpretations for their preferred opponent would be, hoping for a week, and then being disappointed when it's revealed it's not the one they want. At least the current system people can get their disappointment out immediately :V
At very beginning they announced both, but yes, there was a long period where DB announced only 1 fighter for next time.

Tbh that also got complaints so damn if you damn if you dont lol

I wouldnt mind seeing teaser for 4 character 2026 at December tho.
 
Yeah went and doubled checked and since the first episode they announced both fighters, but then like halfway through season 1 they stopped doing that. In fact, for the youtube videos at least dunno if they still did it on screwattack, they stopped announcing either of the opponents. There was a solid period (Again, at least on youtube) where they dropped the "next time" thing, and then at the end of season 1 they started announcing the next MU again. They were quite inconsistent with it for a while when starting off.
 
I gooned to this blog post. Thx bro
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At very beginning they announced both, but yes, there was a long period where DB announced only 1 fighter for next time.

Tbh that also got complaints so damn if you damn if you dont lol

I wouldnt mind seeing teaser for 4 character 2026 at December tho.
Yeah, something like how a while back for the season finale they just showed off like 4 or 5 characters to let you know who was coming.

Hell, I'd love another cipher wheel again. Those were some fun times.
 
C'mon now man, I was replying to the 'decade' of experience you said she had. Ruby was fighting opponents of that level on and off for two years at most. A majority of her training (since we're apparently believing Qrow trained her against live Grimm when she was 5) was against mindless Grimm and school-regulated training. then the series proper started which has a two-ish year length.
The decade of experience she has was spent fighting people of that caliber, not just fodder mooks. And no, even if you want to lowball it to just what we see on-screen she would have a bare minimum of 6 years, three years for the timeframe the show takes place in and three years from the fact that she was a junior at Signal which is a combat academy with a high school year structure. The first three seasons of RWBY alone take place over the course of a year and a half.
Yang glows bright yellow when using her Semblance
Weiss and Winter have bright glowing glyphs when using theirs
Nora glows with big bright lightning bolts
Phyrra's coated everything in a noticeable black field
Sun has bright glowing clones
Vine
etc
I am talking about giant neon-sign obvious factors that mean someone is using a Semblance. In the anime when Maka and Soul fight they are not glowing that obviously until Maka goes in for a Hunt, which was my point.
They do not, no. Glowing is not something that people with Semblances do.


Here is a list of semblances. The only one that outright glows is Jaune. Pyrrha in particular explicitly does no glow as her entire schtick was that her semblance is stealthy enough that she was able to keep her semblance hidden from everyone in the world for years despite being constantly recorded, to the point that even Atlas' best analytical technology and scientists were not able to determine what her semblance was.

Maka does not need to glow for Ruby to figure out that she is using powers.
Aura does not specifically defend against soul-based attacks. It's the user's soul acting as a shield from harm. These are two very different things. It's been stated multiple times in Soul Eater that meisters can use their Soul Wavelength to bypass defenses and attack the soul directly. It's kind of the thing in Soul Eater.
Im aware that thats how Soul Wavelengths work. Im telling you, Aura has blocked attacks that target the soul directly before.
Again, you're not keeping in mind that Soul is right there in the fight with her. Maka is not fighting with just her own combat skills. And listen, let's be fair here: Maka even has better hand to hand showings than Ruby does, so let's not put the 'when disarmed practically useless' discussion solely on Maka.
Until Ruby disassembles him and flies him miles away from the battlefield. And no, Maka is not the more skilled hand to hand fighter. Maka in H2H combat just throws wild haymakers, karate chops, and drop kicks. Ruby has gone through three timeskip training arcs specifically to improve her h2h combat skill because she recognized she was lacking in that department, getting h2h combat training from Yang and Harriet across the show's run. And the point i was making is that If Ruby is disarmed, she is still the same tier stat-wise, being Small City level and FTL, but if Maka is disarmed she drops from Town level to Building level and Relativistic to Subsonic.
Alright, let's break this down. Maka and BlackStar start fighting KinshinCrona in chapter 105. Maka is separated from Soul in the last 5 pages of this chapter. Not even halfway into 106 she's got Spirit and beats KinshinCrona bad enough they freak out and transform. Being pedantic, this is not even a majority of the fight. I will also point out that Maka and Soul are not using Chain Resonance during this fight, which is a big crux of your arguments against her scaling anywhere reasonable. This same fight has Crona rip a tooth out of the moon with their strength (calculated in the teratons here on the site) and Maka both took and deflected hits from this same KinshinCrona. Before BBD, before Chain Resonance. There's no reason to believe KinshinCrona here is holding back.
There is so, so much wrong with this analysis. So lets break this down PROPERLY:

Chapter 105, the first few pages are Maka attacking Crona and Crona allowing her to use her like a punching bag, and despite Maka pummeling Crona with all of her strength to the point that she is destroying the ground beneath Crona and Soul is questioning if she's actually trying to kill Crona, Crona is visibly physically unharmed. Crona then starts to actively attack Maka and Maka admits that if she were fighting alone, Crona would have killed her because of how weak she is. BlackStar starts to fight Crona, and admits that Crona is even stronger than he is. Maka tries to get a hit in but it does nothing, and Crona sends her flying. Crona then follows up with a Bloody Lance, which BlackStar has to redirect so it doesnt kill Maka. Maka admits that BlackStar saved her, and then admits that she's glad he's always around to save her in fights, which BlackStar says just shows how weak she is. Crona then rips out one of the moon's teeth and tries to crush Maka and BlackStar with it, but BlackStar catches it, a feat of power which scares Maka. Crona then attacks Maka and BlackStar with Thorn Storm, which infects them with her madness and negates their soul wavelengths, preventing them from using soul resonance. Crona then disarms Maka and BlackStar, forcing them to fight barehanded, which BlackStar states Maka isnt good at.

Chapter 106, the first few pages are just BlackStar fighting Crona until Spirit shows up and has Maka wield him in place of Soul. Maka immediately notes the increased power she gets from wielding him and starts tearing through Crona's defenses and harming her with her attacks before hitting her with a Witch Hunt and Demon Hunt which does actual damage to Crona. Spirit explains that the wavelength bond between a parent and child is so strong that it is able to overpower Crona's wavelength nullification.

So to address your points:

Yes, they were not using Chain Resonance, only Soul Resonance up until Crona nullified it, and Maka still wasnt able to harm Crona in any way, shape, or form while Soul Resonance was active while wielding Soul. Maka took no hits from Crona, Maka herself admitted that Crona would oneshot her if she hit her and BlackStar was constantly protecting Maka and taking hits from her, up to and including being the one to stop the tooth feat because it would have killed Maka, a feat which explicitly terrified Maka because of how strong BlackStar would have had to be to perform said feat.

The ONLY time Maka would scale to Crona is when she is wielding Spirit. Not a moment earlier.
It happened after she realized it was molecular dispersal as well. Volume 9 Chapter 5. Also I'm pretty sure her Aura was not broken the entire fight. It's only broken during the fight with her and Neo. And I'm pretty sure Molecularly Disassembling Neo's weapon would have been beneficial. I'm not even going to try and argue she could have done the same to Cinder because no-one in that fight besides maybe Penny was doing anything.
Neo was already disarmed, there wouldnt have been a point in disassembling her weapon when she didnt even have it.
My point was she couldn't petal into someone and take them along with her. In fact, I don't think there's a single showing where she takes a personagainst her will with her petal. She's only transported her friends. This is why I say the molecular disassembler wincon isn't something she can do. And if that's the case, I don't even think she could theoretically take Soul who is both a weapon and a person. This whole thing is up to speculation though, and we'd be making arguments that have no definitive answer. My point here is that the Petal Burst isn't the be all win-all technique. Also slipstreams, tornadoes and boiling points are not even things that can scratch Maka, and that's even before factoring in BBD.
...Bro. I literally just posted multiple instances of her doing that. Watch the video. Soul is made of physical matter, there is zero reason to assume she wouldnt be able to use her semblance on him. And those extra effects are strong enough to overpower people stronger than Ruby, so Maka, who is weaker than her, would absolutely be affected.
Again, this is the same fight that afterwards had Ren say "Yo you guys lost because you weren't fighting at your best" Ruby never fought peak Harriet. Just like Ace Ops didn't fight a maiden that wasn't trying to actually kill them. Maka and Soul fought the reincarnated Kinshin on the moon and took hits from it that punched holes the moon (with the mass of the Earth) before Soul Chain and BBD even happened. There is no reason to believe that Asura was holding back for any reason. He was trying to kill the three (seven) of them the whole fight.
She did fight peak Harriet though, they explicitly say both in and after the fight that they were actively trying to kill Team RWBY, the only one who wasnt was Marrow who was fighting Weiss.
 
Ash. His Pokemon can kill any of Yugi's monsters pretty much instantly and he can outspeed basically anything Yugi can try even without Agility. He can also clear the field of any Traps whenever he wants with Squirtle's Rapid Spin, and Gengar can undo most of Yugi's hax.
I see why I have been summoned to defeat you. Everything you just said is wrong.
 
Y'know something I've remembered from way back that I kind of wish they'd do is not announce both fighters at the same time. Unless I'm Mandela Effecting myself here, I think DB used to just announce one character for the next time, then announce their opponent like a week later.

Honestly I feel like it might be hype to announce a character, then we have the week of 'who are they fighting' anticipation until their sneak peek, then they announce their opponent after that.

Now granted I can immediately see a negative of this with people thinking of hoping for their own interpretations for their preferred opponent would be, hoping for a week, and then being disappointed when it's revealed it's not the one they want. At least the current system people can get their disappointment out immediately :V
Only in S3 they did that iirc announcing 1 character and you guess the other, prolly even in S2 was a thing, after goku vs superman 2 or so, a few were obvious like flash for example
 
Okay no never mind, I can see why people said arguing against you was pointless. I tried to earnestly engage in discussion with someone who is arguing in bad faith. I said I was going to drop continuing this, but I'll just leave with two points:

Maka was not "unable to hurt Crona in any way" She literally kneed them in the face the moment the fight started and got them to bleed from their nose. That's not something Black Star even does during that fight. That's not something the Tsar using the exact Anti-Demon wavelength technique designed to hurt Crona was able to do.

My dog the 'glowy hands' semblance cop-out is a huge annoyance with even RWBY's fandom. It's even literally a plot point with Volume 7 that Robin's glowy arm Semblance acts as a lie detector for Ironwood. People didn't even really know what Tyrion's Semblance was, his hands just glowed and apparently it just turns off Aura. If you can look me dead in the eyes and tell me Semblances in this series do not glow when they are being used I guess you're amazing at Poker. My entire point was Ruby cannot look at Maka use her abilities and deduce "Ah yes this strange woman I've never met can connect directly to my soul's wavelength along with that of her partner's to increase her combat capabilities along with her planet-wide tracking and range that can find and connect with anyone."
 
Okay no never mind, I can see why people said arguing against you was pointless. I tried to earnestly engage in discussion with someone who is arguing in bad faith. I said I was going to drop continuing this, but I'll just leave with two points:
Okay now I'm confused, what makes you think I'm arguing in bad faith?
Maka was not "unable to hurt Crona in any way" She literally kneed them in the face the moment the fight started and got them to bleed from their nose. That's not something Black Star even does during that fight. That's not something the Tsar using the exact Anti-Demon wavelength technique designed to hurt Crona was able to do.
She...didn't though. I literally posted the scans of the fight, Maka was unable to do any damage to Crona. That coupled with BlackStar outright saying Crona is stronger than him and Maka confirming that crona is strong enough to oneshot her with a casual attack kinda hard contradicts that.
My dog the 'glowy hands' semblance cop-out is a huge annoyance with even RWBY's fandom. It's even literally a plot point with Volume 7 that Robin's glowy arm Semblance acts as a lie detector for Ironwood. People didn't even really know what Tyrion's Semblance was, his hands just glowed and apparently it just turns off Aura. If you can look me dead in the eyes and tell me Semblances in this series do not glow when they are being used I guess you're amazing at Poker. My entire point was Ruby cannot look at Maka use her abilities and deduce "Ah yes this strange woman I've never met can connect directly to my soul's wavelength along with that of her partner's to increase her combat capabilities along with her planet-wide tracking and range that can find and connect with anyone."
I can say that, because it's not a thing. admittedly I forgot about robyn, so that's two people out of the dozens we currently know that actually glow.. my point is that maka's Resonance techniques are not invisible, there's no reason to assume ruby wouldn't be able to see what Maka is doing.
 
It always mystifies me that I can do a full page by page multi-chapter breakdown of a story with scans of everything and people can still accuse me of bad faith arguing with a straight face.

Like bro, the pages are right there, you can read them yourself, I'm literally describing what happened in the story.
 
She...didn't though. I literally posted the scans of the fight, Maka was unable to do any damage to Crona. That coupled with BlackStar outright saying Crona is stronger than him and Maka confirming that crona is strong enough to oneshot her with a casual attack kinda hard contradicts that.
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Here is literally Maka kneeing them in the face and causing Crona to bleed.
 
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To give @WeeklyBattles the benefit of the doubt, did Crona give a shit about the fact she got kneed in the face?
Whether or not Crona cares is irrelevant. She in fact injured Crona. Through her internal Black Blood Armor, which makes up her entire being. The same Black Blood Armor that went up against a Death Scythe User (which are the top tiers of the Death God's personal soldiers) using the specific technique made to hurt and kill Crona. They didn't draw a single drop of blood or injure them.
 
Well, Crona also got kicked by BlackStar and show no reaction, so I pretty sure is just Crona pain resistance.
I mean, BlackStar himself said that crona is stronger than him.

Crona > BlackStar >>>>> Maka isn't that hard to argue, especially with the pre-fight battle against the Clowns where Maka had to put everything into barely killing one, while BlackStar was oneshotting dozens with every swing of his sword.
 
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