DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[AthelChan]

What this is about, Someone hating fun?

yeah probably, and trying to tell everyone that their math is superior

 

[Moritzva]

That's a bit of a rude assumption

So, 235 works for you?

 

[SharkBook01]

Site is dead!!!!!! Someone dropped the nuke!!!

The guy who posted this is like 80% of the comments in the thread and the majority of them are him complaining that nobody gives enough of a shit to refute his google doc

 

[TartaChocholate]

Is it just me or Kyle's harido kinda looks like Simon's?

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Is it just me or Kyle's harido kinda looks like Simon's?

Kyle more like CUCKYLE am I right folks

 

[WeeklyBattles]

So, 235 works for you?

Ill get back to you onn this when i get back and get my paycheck from last week

 

[Moritzva]

Ill get back to you onn this when i get back and get my paycheck from last week

Name your price and I’ll do it.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Guys please don't gamble on a VS debating show

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

 

[ZespeonGalaxy]

Has anyone actually bet real bread (money) on death battle

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Has anyone actually bet real bread (money) on death battle

Oh yeah, people were betting 100K on Hulk Vs Godzilla

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Guys please don't gamble on a VS debating show

Like y'all got nothing better to do with your money lol

Spend it on your daily needs or stuff that isnt about vs matches on the internet

 

[Tipper17]

 

[Tipper17]

 

[Tipper17]

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Name your price and I’ll do it.

you could always pay me back for those caravan palace tickets

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

yeah probably, and trying to tell everyone that their math is superior

Goated pfp

 

[PonePoster]

Easiest 20 bucks one could ever make in their life with this next db

Wait until they bring in the canon DC Superman scaling.........

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yes, the ones that use the simple nothing special weapons are usually nameless mooks that are just fodder. Not exactly getting any combat experience with guys like that. And yes, I suppose you could argue that perhaps having a simpler weapon means one fights with their Semblance more.

...No. Yatsuhashi is not a fodder mook. Harriet is not a fodder mook. Neo is not a fodder mook.

However Maka's techniques are not Aura or a Semblance. For one Soul isn't exactly glowing at all times like when someone is using their Semblance powers, that's usually saved for any of Maka's Hunt techniques.

Thats not a thing though, like at all. The only person in the entire verse who glows when using their semblance is Jaune, no one else in the entire verse glows when using their semblance.

Ruby also doesn't possess any sort of Aura-adjacent kind of Soul Perception in her verse like Maka does. Most of Maka's soul hax abilities aren't huge flashy things anyone can just see coming.

She does actually, to an extent. All Aura users have a form of ESP that lets them sense attacks and opponents even if they cant see them, and Ruby in particular has instinctive reactions in regards to her semblance. Semblances dont tend to be flashy either so that wouldnt really help Maka.

Also there's no real defense against anyone with an Aura having it simply bypassed and having damage dealt directly to their body, which is why Soul Resonance techniques can just do. Aura is such a saving grace for Ruby characters because it's their armor and healing. They rely on their aura taking the hit to prevent them from taking actual damage until it's overwhelmed. Maka and Soul can just bypass that entirely.

Why would they be able to bypass Aura exactly? Aura defends against attacks that target the soul.

I find it very hard to believe that Qrow had Ruby doing fights to the death with human-level opponents when she was 5 years old. Training? Yes obviously she's said as much. And I disagree about 'training limitations' being nonexistent when fighting human level opponents because yes they will call off the fight once your aura is depleted. My argument was more that Maka has had more training in life-or-death battles against things that aren't just mindless beasts considering she's done the 99 human soul tango before the series even started, then all her fighting and training in the main series. But just like fighting styles not being too much of a deciding factor, I don't believe experience is necessarily what's the most deciding factor for this fight.

Hard to believe? Sure. But it is sorta just true. Ruby has fought dozens of opponents that were actively trying to kill her and she came out on top almost every time. Also, ever battle Ruby is in is a life and death fight, its an entire thing that even weaker Grimm are fully capable of killing huntsmen if they make a single mistake. The 99 human souls are never confirmed to be anything above fodder.

I wholeheartedly disagree. If the experience gap was closer you'd have a point, but Ruby has a full decade over Maka in terms of actual combat training and combat experience, as Maka had canonically never even been in a fight before enrolling at DWMA.

Yes, a factor of her personality that is all but gone by series end. I feel like working with your friends to help defeat Madness-Satan does wonders for your confidence. We're not having Ruby square up against Maka and Soul from when they were in the Sloth chapter here. They're going to be fighting as a team the whole way through, with the full confidence in themselves.

The point i was making is that Maka by the end of the series would have at most a few months of training in regards to actually wielding a weapon, even if she has full confidence in herself, confidence isnt going to make you more skilled, especially when your opponent is someone who has been trained to wield a weapon effectively since they were able to hold one.

Yes, the second strongest thing in their verse did in fact interrupt them for a moment. A being that I feel you would agree Ruby does not scale anywhere close to using techniques that Ruby does not have access to.

It wasnt 'for a moment', it was for the majority of the battle. BlackStar did 80% of the fighting while also protecting Maka and the other 20% was because Maka literally needed Spirit to bail her out because the father-daughter wavelength bond was too strong to by nullified by Crona. Ruby having a soul-based ability that also physically separates Maka and Soul would 100% sever their Resonance, even Maka's profile directly has this as a weakness.

Ruby also does not have that exact ability for her semblance, c'mon now. Penny said the ability breaks her molecules up and reforms them, with the eventual upgrade of Ruby being able to carry people. Do you seriously think that if Ruby had the Molecular Disassembler Touch she wouldn't have used it when she needed most right before they fell into the Volume 9 place or during Volume 9 fights? I know Ruby was going through some stuff, but she still used her Semblance in the Ever After. I feel like an "instant ko one-touch" move would have been very helpful if she had it.

A few things wrong here:
1. Ruby has always been able to carry people while using her Semblance, she did so as early as volume 1.
2. Ruby's Aura was broken in that fight, meaning she literally couldnt use her Semblance, because Semblances require Aura to use as fuel.
3. She did use her semblance in Volume 9, but the majority of volume 9 was Ruby being in a major mental breakdown to the point that she couldnt even fight with her weapon, let alone use her semblance consistently. Its the entire reason why she ended up unaliving herself at the end of the season.

Ruby can indeed fly, but she can also be knocked out of her flight which has been shown multiple times.

Correction, this has happened ONCE, and that one time was before Ruby even had the ability to break herself down into molecules, it was in volume 3 before her semblance had evolved, when it was just 'speed'.

She would also need to de-petal to actually attack more than anything than just ramming Maka, because as I have seen her technique used she would need to grab someone then Semblance away, it's not something she can do mid-flight. Now as someone who hasn't seen every episode and just seen fight videos, perhaps she did at one point. I haven't seen it though.

She can do it mid-flight yes, she did so with Nora in volume 4 and with her whole team in volume 8



3:53 and 6:27 respectively

Hell, at 6:18 she was able to take Harriet's handcuffs out of her hand while in semblance state without disassembling Harriet herself, so she can definitely do the same to Maka.

Also its not just ramming, she is able to create localized slipstreams, create tornadoes, and even generate enough friction to boil large amounts of water with her semblance.

That 'lie' was me joking when I said that I understand why you'd want to see Ruby interpreted as accurate as possible in its fight when you have been on record saying you hate it. (The lie was that I do not understand why you go through this much effort)

OCD mostly, i hate verses and characters being purposely misrepresented just to spite one or the other like people are doing for Maka in this fight.

Respectfully, Harriet is not Maiden level. Barely anyone is in a 1v1. Also which fight of Ruby's with Harriet is the 1v1 win, the one where Ace Ops and RWBY fought as a team and when it was just the two of them Harriet had her in a leglock before Weiss came in to save Ruby?

The one where the Ace Ops individually fought Team RWBY and Ruby had Harriet backed into a corner with her arms locked behind her back by gravity dust cuffs and was about to beat her as per WoG until Weiss interfered.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Can you and specter get a room, how long you guys been at it

 

[TMaakkonen]

We are gonna get daily Weekly RubyMaka Lenghty posts and there is nth we can do to stop that :V

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

What a waste of the 200th episode. I thought they were done shilling for RoosterTeeth slop.

 

[TMaakkonen]

Tbf Id argue RubyMaka is MU worth doing. Even if it shouldve been the only RWBY MU that shouldve been guaranteed to get in :V

 

[BlackDarkness679]

What a waste of the 200th episode. I thought they were done shilling for RoosterTeeth slop.

You wont get any other RWBY mu in a long time if they do more, so dunno what cattering to RT you talking lol

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Tbf Id argue RubyMaka is MU worth doing. Even if it shouldve been the only RWBY MU that shouldve been guaranteed to get in :V

Maka literally outstats in every stat, there’s no story except to shit on RWBY… so obviously I agree with you.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

You wont get any other RWBY mu in a long time if they do more, so dunno what cattering to RT you talking lol

Good.

 

[SpecterSkater]

...No. Yatsuhashi is not a fodder mook. Harriet is not a fodder mook. Neo is not a fodder mook.

C'mon now man, I was replying to the 'decade' of experience you said she had. Ruby was fighting opponents of that level on and off for two years at most. A majority of her training (since we're apparently believing Qrow trained her against live Grimm when she was 5) was against mindless Grimm and school-regulated training. then the series proper started which has a two-ish year length.

Thats not a thing though, like at all. The only person in the entire verse who glows when using their semblance is Jaune, no one else in the entire verse glows when using their semblance.

Yang glows bright yellow when using her Semblance
Weiss and Winter have bright glowing glyphs when using theirs
Nora glows with big bright lightning bolts
Phyrra's coated everything in a noticeable black field
Sun has bright glowing clones
Vine
etc
I am talking about giant neon-sign obvious factors that mean someone is using a Semblance. In the anime when Maka and Soul fight they are not glowing that obviously until Maka goes in for a Hunt, which was my point.

She does actually, to an extent. All Aura users have a form of ESP that lets them sense attacks and opponents even if they cant see them, and Ruby in particular has instinctive reactions in regards to her semblance. Semblances dont tend to be flashy either so that wouldnt really help Maka.

ESP is not Soul Perception. Maka has advanced techniques even in her own verse that allow her to see Souls and determine what the user of them is all about. RWBY auras give people a limited sort of ESP yes (Maka also has this) , but it's not a scan ability. That's what I mean.

Why would they be able to bypass Aura exactly? Aura defends against attacks that target the soul.

Aura does not specifically defend against soul-based attacks. It's the user's soul acting as a shield from harm. These are two very different things. It's been stated multiple times in Soul Eater that meisters can use their Soul Wavelength to bypass defenses and attack the soul directly. It's kind of the thing in Soul Eater.

Hard to believe? Sure. But it is sorta just true. Ruby has fought dozens of opponents that were actively trying to kill her and she came out on top almost every time. Also, ever battle Ruby is in is a life and death fight, its an entire thing that even weaker Grimm are fully capable of killing huntsmen if they make a single mistake. The 99 human souls are never confirmed to be anything above fodder.

I wholeheartedly disagree. If the experience gap was closer you'd have a point, but Ruby has a full decade over Maka in terms of actual combat training and combat experience, as Maka had canonically never even been in a fight before enrolling at DWMA.

We'll have to agree to disagree here then. Which I feel is the gist of this discussion here.

The point i was making is that Maka by the end of the series would have at most a few months of training in regards to actually wielding a weapon, even if she has full confidence in herself, confidence isnt going to make you more skilled, especially when your opponent is someone who has been trained to wield a weapon effectively since they were able to hold one.

Again, you're not keeping in mind that Soul is right there in the fight with her. Maka is not fighting with just her own combat skills. And listen, let's be fair here: Maka even has better hand to hand showings than Ruby does, so let's not put the 'when disarmed practically useless' discussion solely on Maka.

It wasnt 'for a moment', it was for the majority of the battle. BlackStar did 80% of the fighting while also protecting Maka and the other 20% was because Maka literally needed Spirit to bail her out because the father-daughter wavelength bond was too strong to by nullified by Crona. Ruby having a soul-based ability that also physically separates Maka and Soul would 100% sever their Resonance, even Maka's profile directly has this as a weakness.

Alright, let's break this down. Maka and BlackStar start fighting KinshinCrona in chapter 105. Maka is separated from Soul in the last 5 pages of this chapter. Not even halfway into 106 she's got Spirit and beats KinshinCrona bad enough they freak out and transform. Being pedantic, this is not even a majority of the fight. I will also point out that Maka and Soul are not using Chain Resonance during this fight, which is a big crux of your arguments against her scaling anywhere reasonable. This same fight has Crona rip a tooth out of the moon with their strength (calculated in the teratons here on the site) and Maka both took and deflected hits from this same KinshinCrona. Before BBD, before Chain Resonance. There's no reason to believe KinshinCrona here is holding back.

A few things wrong here:
1. Ruby has always been able to carry people while using her Semblance, she did so as early as volume 1.
2. Ruby's Aura was broken in that fight, meaning she literally couldnt use her Semblance, because Semblances require Aura to use as fuel.
3. She did use her semblance in Volume 9, but the majority of volume 9 was Ruby being in a major mental breakdown to the point that she couldnt even fight with her weapon, let alone use her semblance consistently. Its the entire reason why she ended up unaliving herself at the end of the season


Correction, this has happened ONCE, and that one time was before Ruby even had the ability to break herself down into molecules, it was in volume 3 before her semblance had evolved, when it was just 'speed'.

It happened after she realized it was molecular dispersal as well. Volume 9 Chapter 5. Also I'm pretty sure her Aura was not broken the entire fight. It's only broken during the fight with her and Neo. And I'm pretty sure Molecularly Disassembling Neo's weapon would have been beneficial. I'm not even going to try and argue she could have done the same to Cinder because no-one in that fight besides maybe Penny was doing anything.

She can do it mid-flight yes, she did so with Nora in volume 4 and with her whole team in volume 8



3:53 and 6:27 respectively

Hell, at 6:18 she was able to take Harriet's handcuffs out of her hand while in semblance state without disassembling Harriet herself, so she can definitely do the same to Maka.

Also its not just ramming, she is able to create localized slipstreams, create tornadoes, and even generate enough friction to boil large amounts of water with her semblance.

My point was she couldn't petal into someone and take them along with her. In fact, I don't think there's a single showing where she takes a person against her will with her petal. She's only transported her friends. This is why I say the molecular disassembler wincon isn't something she can do. And if that's the case, I don't even think she could theoretically take Soul who is both a weapon and a person. This whole thing is up to speculation though, and we'd be making arguments that have no definitive answer. My point here is that the Petal Burst isn't the be all win-all technique. Also slipstreams, tornadoes and boiling points are not even things that can scratch Maka, and that's even before factoring in BBD.

OCD mostly, i hate verses and characters being purposely misrepresented just to spite one or the other like people are doing for Maka in this fight.

Fair enough.

The one where the Ace Ops individually fought Team RWBY and Ruby had Harriet backed into a corner with her arms locked behind her back by gravity dust cuffs and was about to beat her as per WoG until Weiss interfered.

Again, this is the same fight that afterwards had Ren say "Yo you guys lost because you weren't fighting at your best" Ruby never fought peak Harriet. Just like Ace Ops didn't fight a maiden that wasn't trying to actually kill them. Maka and Soul fought the reincarnated Kinshin on the moon and took hits from it that punched holes the moon (with the mass of the Earth) before Soul Chain and BBD even happened. There is no reason to believe that Asura was holding back for any reason. He was trying to kill the three (seven) of them the whole fight.

Can you and specter get a room, how long you guys been at it

This much is fair. I don't think Weekly and I are going to change each other's minds during this discussion so honestly we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Fezzih_007]

What a waste of the 200th episode. I thought they were done shilling for RoosterTeeth slop.

What others matchups could be the 200th Episode?

 

[Moritzva]

you could always pay me back for those caravan palace tickets

If you want a gift back, simply win the bet.

 

[SpecterSkater]

I honestly don't see the big issue of Ruby/Maka being episode 200.

Like I understand people don't like RWBY, but using the big milestone episode to honor your friend and do his dream matchup feels more like it fits something as big as that. Like this isn't MachoAids being the 150th episode, marking the milestone with a matchup nobody really wanted and making one of the most controversial episodes before Sun Disks were a thing. Clearly this matchup has a special significance to the crew, so it being a big milestone episode fits more.

 

[Tipper17]

Don't see the issue on Ruby vs Maka being 200 plus better get it over with now given it'll be awhile before we have anything on rwby v10

 

[Theglassman12]

Aren’t these the same folks who ***** and moan that Kratos is only Cosmic in nature because of Twitter statements as opposed to the games themselves?

 

[Tipper17]

Aren’t these the same folks who ***** and moan that Kratos is only Cosmic in nature because of Twitter statements as opposed to the games themselves?

No there not

 

[Tipper17]

 

[TMaakkonen]

Looking at RWBY MUs:

• YangTifa, lol this was weird pick even then, would not be a thing nowadays
• WeissMitsuru, att Persona was still growing, so def niche MU ngl
• BlakeMikasa, only valid due to Mikasa ngl, wonder if she had other MUs rather than Blake?
• RubyMaka, actually good but has to come out after 3 niche MUs and also 200 ep worthiness is less MU based, more DB history based

 

[SpecterSkater]

Looking at RWBY MUs:

• YangTifa, lol this was weird pick even then, would not be a thing nowadays
• WeissMitsuru, att Persona was still growing, so def niche MU ngl
• BlakeMikasa, only valid due to Mikasa ngl, wonder if she had other MUs rather than Blake?
• RubyMaka, actually good but has to come out after 3 niche MUs and also 200 ep worthiness is less MU based, more DB history based

Kinda sad that I honestly believe Cinder should have had her fight against Azula before BlaKasa, and I don't even really like that matchup to begin with. Unfortunate thing is RWBY is way past its prime since RT's shutdown and production limbo with Viz. At this point Ruby/Maka being saved for episode 200 is probably is best shot of ever coming out.

 

[Maskofthedragon]

All I hope for is that they acknowledge they have been putting this off for a decade hoping for Ruby buffs, only for MAKA to get buffed to Hell by doing nothing

 

[Alexander]

All I hope for is that they acknowledge they have been putting this off for a decade hoping for Ruby buffs, only for MAKA to get buffed to Hell by doing nothing

what do you mean?