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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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Like, I just think the MU could be a cool episode
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Let Weekl Cook
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We're still feeling the effects of Omniman vs Bardock almost a year later...
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On the topic of moves in the Pokémon anime, it depends a lot on the generation in question:
The only no purely attacks moves at its disposal (that I remember) are:
Aside from that, the last few episodes of the 8th generation, to fill in the gaps between fights (probably to save money), they had chapters basically reviewing current events or in-verse analysis of previous fights, including trainer stats.
If I remember correctly, Ash was considered fast and incredibly good at improvising, but with low defense (probably due to Pikachu more than anything).
I only know about Ash... but I know Ash is going to lose.
- Sometimes they were ignored
- In more recent ones, they simply stop using a move to make room for a new one or they have an incomplete moveset until they learn the latest moves (i don't remeber much)
- And then there's Electroweb, where the Electroball move (the one that is stronger depending on the speed difference) started having problems until it turned out that the move became Electroweb (honestly, I'm not complaining, Ash uses it in several different ways)
The only no purely attacks moves at its disposal (that I remember) are:
- Trapping opponents, Shield and a trampoline with Electroweb (Picachu)
- Burn and split opponents' attacks in half with Will-o'-the-Wisp (Gengar)
- Possible way to escape being traped with Feather Dance (Rowlet and only maybe)
- Make barriers with Reflect and telekinesis with psychic (Mr. Mime {Mr. Mime belongs to Ash, and Reflex is used in the same gen by Dianta to minimize damage from Lance's attacks.})
- Perhaps some priority attacks (although most are usually just treated as faster than usual attacks)
- Aura Reading, and Greninja Ash's supervision (at most, they could help it with things like Magic Hats)
Aside from that, the last few episodes of the 8th generation, to fill in the gaps between fights (probably to save money), they had chapters basically reviewing current events or in-verse analysis of previous fights, including trainer stats.
If I remember correctly, Ash was considered fast and incredibly good at improvising, but with low defense (probably due to Pikachu more than anything).
I only know about Ash... but I know Ash is going to lose.
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Ye that's why I'm betting, it's blatant that ruby will win
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It's mostly the fact that yugi has like 20 different ways to just instantly kill Ash's pokemon as well as half a dozen ways to just outright lock ash out of being able to declare attacks for the rest of the battle
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Yugi's hax is so busted most of the banned cards list is made of cards in his deck, he's literally too haxxed irl
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R > R > F
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That on top of him canonically having busted af causality manipulation via destiny draw, as well as passive luck and probability manipulation via the millennium puzzle
Yugi is literally 'I draw whatever I need to win and my odds of winning go up proportional to how dire the duel is'
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will Maka vs Ruby be 3D or 2D?
I just hope to see some cool scythe choreography because it is a relatively uncommon weapon
I don't care for either of the characters and the matchup seems very predictable so I have nothing else I'm looking forward to honestly.
I just hope to see some cool scythe choreography because it is a relatively uncommon weapon
I don't care for either of the characters and the matchup seems very predictable so I have nothing else I'm looking forward to honestly.
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He has not become strong enough
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Yeah, basically Ash has no wincons.
In Hax, he loses (as you saw, I had to dig deep to find something that worked).
In Stats, he'll probably lose.
The only advantage is probably that he has more pokes at his disposal than Yugi has cards, but it's not much use.
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Yo, ngl, that weekly crashout when Maka sweeps gonna be crazy
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Honestly, I wouldn't take Yugi's victory for granted just yet. Death Battle has been pretty unpredictable in the past and who knows what they might find in Ash whole anime tenure or how they might scale stuff from the movies. I mean, I don't research the Pokemon anime or anything, but I'd rather wait and see.
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Even with movie scaling yugi still scales higher
SpecterSkater
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Okay, I want to preface this by saying I do not think of Ruby as an idiot by any means. She's smart in her verse for her combat analyzing as well. Both her and Maka share that trait.
But I think it's a major logical leap to believe Ruby can take one look at someone who fights with a regular (to her) looking scythe with no mechanical doodad RWBY-ness to it, fighting against someone who shares a telepathic connection with their sentient living weapon partner (which is something she has never experienced before in her verse) and determine that she fights just like any other scythe user because she and Qrow use a weapon that's similar. And then somehow deduce that they used specific soul-attacking powers that don't exist in her verse as well. Ruby knows how to analyze weapons in her verse because RWBY has cool transforming (and not sentient with their own fighting knowledge) weapons. She can get an idea how Maka fights, it's not going to be an instant understanding of her entire verse's battle style.
On Maka's part, she's seen scythe users fight before (IE her dad working with Lord Death) and she's seen guns before. Sure the combination would be weird at first, but it's not like she's a cavewoman seeing someone use fire before. The strangest thing Ruby can pull on her would be her semblance, but splitting apart and reforming somewhere else isn't anything too weird from what she fought in her series.
Yes, and Maka also fights with DWMA students in training as well. It's kind of obvious that combat trainings take place because the entire point of DWMA is to raise Meisters who can hunt corrupted souls and (eventually) witches. And in that case I'd also wager that Maka has had more time fighting enemies with human-like intelligence that are willing to kill her without having to stop due to training limitations.
Except Maka also fought and managed to do well with not only her own Father (twice, with no chain resonance either time) but also Tsubaki in her chain-scythe form. I think the part of this whole 'not great fighter' argument I fundamentally disagree with you on is that you're taking Maka's fighting style as if she is squaring up without Soul, like she'd have to go boxing against Ruby who is still allowed to go around with Crescent Rose. That's not how Soul Eater fights work. She is going to have Soul. Soul contributes to the entire fight dynamic. Now I understand that your argument is going to be that Ruby can just separate her from Soul and then it's just GG, it's just not that simple. If neither Crona or Asura are able to do that when they are literally fighting to the death (and both of them scale way above Ruby I'm sure you agree) then I don't see Ruby being able to either. Maka's got her own skills, Soul is going to constantly have her back and know what she knows while doing support using his Piano, Wavelength shenanigans, etc.
And yes, I understand her dust has AoE. But such AoE is also not going to span an entire battlefield in a single hit. Maka's got the reflexes and speed to get out of AoEs, especially if she's got her Black Blood dress (because they are giving it to her, don't think they aren't) which gives her one of her two modes of flight along with her Grigoi soul.
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Remember Shadow vs Ryuko? This is like that, except the difference between then and now is that there is that MU involves two girls instead of a girl and a edgy furry.
Jokes aside: the chances of Ruby beating Maka are as likely as solving cold fusion, i.e. practically nonexistent.
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Will you accept my 5:10 bet then? I can guarantee payment.
Fezzih_007
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So, 5D? Whithout SMT, Chie would get to 7D via scaling.
Fezzih_007
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What if Death battle give Maka "non-stardand" stuff that get her the high scaling? They did to others characters before.
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I mean, Makas nonstandard stuff is literally having her father and her team come in and fight alongside her in order for her to access Chain Resonanc. She doesn't have the ability to summon any of those characters, so it's extremely unlikely she'll be allowed to have them.
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Didn't Joker get his power of friendship persona thing
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I'll consider it. I was in a car accident a few days ago so I'm wary of betting more than I have at the moment because I do still need to pay it off.
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Yes but that's an actual power he has, it's not the same as maka's stuff
Fezzih_007
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You kinda downplaying here.
Like, Maka high scaling potential comes from this characters, there's still a chance that they give her that just so she gets at her strongest.
"outside help is not allowed" is not really a rule. And again, Death Battle already give characters non-stardand stuff, and while being people and not exactly objects might not be same case, I don't think they would disregard them still.
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At least the gap between that fight far closer thanks to IF
Ruby just dies here she hasn't got any notable buffs in any remote fashion nor will anytime soon
DB gonna have both as equal speed to be generous ala Miles vs Deku before having Maka stomps in AP
AthelChan
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The host found a new vessel, the street reaper
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The thing is Maka doesn't stomp in ap, Ruby has the advantage. At best you can argue equal ap via the black blood dress but Ruby is still faster and she can disarm Maka with her silence to depower her
Fezzih_007
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Death Battle gonna give her the Chain Resonance with Spartoi, like they give Archie Silver the chaos Esmeralds, so she would stomp in AP.
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In Catherine, Trisha establishes that heroes in the Megami Tensei series can't have their story interfered with, or else the caster will have their own fate altered, even if the caster is a god that sees the material world as merely fictional. Trisha uses Joker as an example of this, since he is the one who appears in the game.
You don't need SMT scaling. Persona Izanami's scaling to Umr at-Tawil is from Persona 2, and Enlil has R>F by perceiving the material world as a film reel that she can edit, add to and substract elements from, including concepts and artistic liberties.
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what did they scale Blake at in her deathbattle again? just trying to get in my head what they might ball park ruby to
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"Over four tons of TNT" (Large Building level) scaling to the Nevermore and Adam disintegrating a robot + Massively Hypersonic via lightning dodging feats
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They had Blake's aura at about 4 tons of TNT for durability and Mach 77 for speed
Now granted this is four years ago, but still.
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Fuuuuck now I just kinda feel bad bro, so sorry that happened to you. Hope you’re doing okay, and that your car isn’t too badly damaged.
Uhhhh anyway I’ll bet $20 on Maka winning. Though, for your side of the bet, I don’t want anything money wise. I’ve got an idea, but idk if you’d be down for it.
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Also I just want to say, respectfully, Weekly
I understand that you hate RWBY and that's why you want to see it represented as accurately as it can (this is a lie I still don't understand this but I digress) but you harp on about how Maka isn't all that and only wins through the power of friendship, but I think you fail to apply the same metric to Ruby herself. I'm not going to say I've seen everything up to vol 9, but from some brief research I don't see where Ruby has won a single fight on her own that isn't against Grimm or mooks. Any time she's putting up wins against people of similar skill or strength, it's with her team.
Now I do want to point out that yes, that is in fact the point of the show (it's even in the name) but that also means you can't take victories she's "won" and chalk it up to her efforts alone. She hasn't 1v1'd a maiden level character and won, she's scrapped by with the help of her team and others. When it comes to Maka and Soul they are the team. You can't say Maka's useless without Soul because the entire power structure of the setting and world is that two (or more) people fight together as a single unit. And unlike Ruby, Maka's got victories under her belt with just her and Soul.
I understand that you hate RWBY and that's why you want to see it represented as accurately as it can (this is a lie I still don't understand this but I digress) but you harp on about how Maka isn't all that and only wins through the power of friendship, but I think you fail to apply the same metric to Ruby herself. I'm not going to say I've seen everything up to vol 9, but from some brief research I don't see where Ruby has won a single fight on her own that isn't against Grimm or mooks. Any time she's putting up wins against people of similar skill or strength, it's with her team.
Now I do want to point out that yes, that is in fact the point of the show (it's even in the name) but that also means you can't take victories she's "won" and chalk it up to her efforts alone. She hasn't 1v1'd a maiden level character and won, she's scrapped by with the help of her team and others. When it comes to Maka and Soul they are the team. You can't say Maka's useless without Soul because the entire power structure of the setting and world is that two (or more) people fight together as a single unit. And unlike Ruby, Maka's got victories under her belt with just her and Soul.
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